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Lovely poignant interview. From that I got this link, MJ on Lou:
[www.rollingstone.com]
Mick Jagger
He had style – that attitudinal New York hipster style. He was quite rude in interviews, but in person he was actually quite friendly – just not over-effusive. He wasn't a schmoozer, which was good. Everyone talks about punk, but to me he was the Johnny Cash of New York rock; he was always the man in black. I used to have him over occasionally in New York, and later he used to come and visit Mustique [in the West Indies], which is not the most obvious place for Lou Reed to go on vacation. Lots of posh English people. But when I would see him there, he still had that style going on.
The surprise for me was "Walk on the Wild Side." It was melodic, really good, very original, with the background singing and acoustic bass – an original way of presenting him. But "I'm Waiting for the Man" was my first big Lou Reed tune. I liked it because it was so minimalist in the arrangement and the chords – and the guitar sound on it was grunge before there was grunge, way back in 1967.
I hear there more. I have always heard in "Stray Cat Blues" much more Velvet Underground than the opening intro ("Heroin"). It is the whole chaotic and daring - including the controversial lyrics, crazy guitar - atmosphere in the song is for me pure Velvet Underground. That is, the whole idea and feel of the song - which goes way beyond the boundaries of a melodic pop song in many sense of it - is inspired by them. And now when Jagger mentioned it as "grunge", if The Velvet Underground did that, surely the Stones in BEGGARS BANQUET as well. Not just only "Stray Cat Blues", but particularly "Parachute Woman". When Jagger mentions 'simplicity', in regards to 'chords' and 'arrangement', I think the latter has a rather lot in that. It was not just 'hey, let's play goood old twelve-bar blues' but there was more in that (it was, to use SilverDagger's great expression, "Psycho blues"). The whole attitude.
Now to think of that, the whole way "Street Fighting Man" sounds, and is constituted musically, has a lot of the mentioned 'new' Velvet Underground ideology in it. That never occurred to my mind before!
And the point is that they never would never sound so raw and dirty again - nor they did before - as they did in the above mentioned BEGGARS BANQUET tracks. There were new trends lurking there for a trend-sensitive Jagger and the banana album has lost its momentum inspiring not just upcoming bands but open-minded old hacks as well...
- Doxa
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-09 18:22 by Doxa.
Very Nice Tribute!!
I've been listening to his entire collection myself these past two weeks. I did manage to catch him in Chapel Hill, NC circa 1985. If memory serves me correct it was right after New Sensations was released. Robert Quine was the guitarist. Lou Reed, in career did not play in the South that much to my knowledge. That particular night he was fit, quiet and simply Rock & Rolled. I do recall him saying during the concert that he was very appreciative of everyone being there (show was a sellout) and he had not been "down these parts" in many years. Like you said, he was an incredible man and his legacy will never be forgotten.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-09 23:01 by Chris Fountain.
Actually not quite I don't think - if you listen to the version on 1969 Live (just after that incredible version of What Goes On) - it's pretty much identical to the Junkies version. Max's is great - but odd because Maureen isn't on there. I listened to it for years before I found out it was Lou's last gig..
Here's the early studio version of Sweet Jane with the "lost verse", slower like the Cowboy Junkies version and a couple minutes longer than the one that ended up on the album.
Wouldn't be surprised if she's on Dime Store Mystery, which actually sounds to me more like the Velvet Underground than almost anything on Drella.
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Love 'What Goes On'...I had a band and we did a mean cover of that. Loved that song.
I don't have '69 live...I'll have to get it. I also didn't know that was Lou's last gig...until now!
Thanks for the info!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-10 07:23 by treaclefingers.
Maybe, Doxa. I just never really associated anything regarding BEGGARS BANQUET to be associated specifically with The Velvet Underground, the opening to 'Stray Cat Blues' aside. Yes, there were new trends emerging, and one of them was a back-to-basics approach, which was perhaps in part inspired by Bob Dylan's JOHN WESLEY HARDING, which in many ways was the rejection of the sometimes over elaborate psychedelic era. My thoughts concerning BEGGARS BANQUET is it was very much a return to the Stones roots, only perhaps updated to a more contemporary 1968 era style. Perhaps there is slightly more emphasis on the delta blues, than the electric blues mixed with a little country and rock. However, if you are going to make parallels to the Velvet Underground lyrically, i think you are correct - 'Stray Cat Blues', and maybe 'Parachute Woman' come closest. Perhaps though the guitar sound on 'Stray Cat Blues' is a little closer to the Velvet Underground's later work, on THE VELVET UNDERGROUND and LOADED, when the group's music became more conventionally 'rock', than the more experimental VELVET UNDERGROUND AND NICO and WHITE LIGHT WHITE HEAT. Strangely the thing that i have found most alike musically about the Velvet Underground and The Stones, is Jagger's early folk version of 'Sympathy For The Devil' from ONE PLUS ONE, which sounds very similar to 'Oh Sweet Nothing' from LOADED, Doug Yule sang 'Oh Sweet Nothing', although i do feel the coincidence is not deliberate.
Just to clarify (as I did my usual trick of talking about 2 things at the same time..:-) ), Max's was Lou's last gig with the Velvets....my previous post could have been interpreted to suggest 1969 Live was.
As for 1969 Live - if you haven't heard the version of What Goes On from that - it will blow your head off. It blew my head off 25 year ago when I first heard it and got me interested in music..
I think the general picture as BEGGARS BANQUET being a 'return to the roots', inspired by the trends at the time (Dylan's example being surely a strong one, and also that of the emergance of Robert Johnson's KING OF DELTA BLUES PLAYERS VOl. 2) is accurate, but I think BEGGARS BANQUET cannot be altogether reduced to that explanation. Too simple. Besides that there was a lot of experimentality deriving straight from their 'psychedelic era' - this has been discussed many times here at IORR - there was also some features not straight-forwardly to be said being inspired neither of these sources.
Take "Street Fighting Man". What 'rootsy' is there? Yes, it is based on Keith's experiment on open tunings and the backing track famously recorded on a cassette player, but that's just the technical side of it. Where the hell they got the idea of making such a raw, almost cacophonic sounding production? A damn simple verse melody based on just on emphasizing the two notes going up and and down according to the C/F chord riff and the chorus basically just shouting out the lyrics almost atonally. Musically it was 'punk' before the punk was invented. Of course, we could say it all became 'out of the blue' but I think listening to THE VELVET UNDRGROUND AND NICO - especially "Heroin" and "I'm Waiting For My Man" - and taking Jagger's words at face value, there at least was something somehow similar going according to those lines.
This has nothing to do with belittlening the originality of the Stones. No, they could any inspiring idea and make their own original-sounding variant of that, based on idiosyncratic skills and mixed up with other influences. That's why I don't think the point is to find one-to-one going particular similarities but more like general ideas leading or affecting the creative process. I could easily think Jagger while listening to Andy Warhol's odd product, and seemingly being impressed by it, as a receptive music-maker absorbing something of it to his own doings. For example, using some of those ideas with Keith's open tuning experiments...
- Doxa
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-10 16:02 by Doxa.
Maybe you have a point, Doxa, and i do see where there can be a comparison made between, say 'I'm Waiting For My Man' and 'Stray Cat Blues' within the guitar sound. It is just that i tend to think of Maureen Tucker's unusual rhythmic arrangement primarily, in addition to Lou Reed's lyric and vocal before anything else. With the Velvet Underground's first album, what tends to be the the primary feature for me, is the unusual amalgamation of the various musical/vocal textures, which up to that point, few would have considered trying and perhaps placing on any pop/rock album. Yes, i do agree that an element of those sounds can be found on, say, 'Stray Cat Blues', although for me, that guitar sound was one element to a much bigger frame, with The Velvets, whereas the Stones tend to condense that one guitar sound , and build a song around it. Essentially though, i believe you make a very good pont. However, in another example, listening to the opening to the Velvet's 'There She Goes Again' brings back the beginning to 'Hitch Hike' very strongly (although of course it isn't originally a Stones penned song).
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-10 23:03 by Edward Twining.
Yep, I think the words in bold are exactly the feature I also tried to point out - which, I think goes beyond any singular similarities between their songs (such as the open intro in "Stray Cat Blues"). From a music maker's point of view, there is damn exciting new things going on in that album, and like I tried to say, Jagger - or even Richards who still back then had his ears open to new trends - might having found out that inspiring. And the 'banana album' still being kind of open secret - as far from a hit album as possible - trying those things quickly as possible (before too many else have noticed yet) could have been damn good 'trend-sensing' and a claim for originality...
But you made an important remark about "There She Goes Again". I remember there was probably in this thread quote by Reed that it really was a rip off from the original "Hitch Hike". Had the Stones role there or not, I think it is crucial to notice (or remember) that the influence went both directions. Not that these British Invasion Stars were, once again, ripping off original ideas from America and making their versions of it. No, one can not perhaps underestimate how much these British bands - and the Stones with the Beatles being surely the most influental - initially did affect on the upcoming American rock bands, and even the rise of them. I think especially the 'aggressive' Stones with the sounds their made and the image they had had for such controversial bands such as The Doors, MC5 and I guess The Velvet Underground as well. Iggy Pop has nicely described how huge impact Jagger's "unkind" voice alone made for him, which inspired also him to sing.
Which makes me back to "Heroin"... Yes, the guitar intro of "Stray Cat Blues" has striking resemblances to it, but just listen the way Reed announces the dramatical "I" when he starts his vocal delivery - and emphasizing that word is one of the key things throughout the early stages in the song. Now, go on and listen how the first song by The Stones that made some kind of impact in US single charts starts, "Tell Me"... just the way Jagger throws that little but emphasized word in the top of little shaky acoustic C chord.... (the cool New York people didn't listen just Dylan...)
So by 1968 the things started to be funny in that sense that it was the Stones started to take influences from people who originally were influenced by them, and who had taken something they got from them further...
- Doxa
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-11 01:32 by Doxa.
nice tribute from Jagger on Reed.....reading between the lines is Jagger's praise of Bowie...who produced Transformer....
No theres more to it than that.
Anyone remember the story of how Lou went to Mick in 1966 with a tape and Marianne answered to door?
I wrote somewhere else that Beggars B. was in a sense a conservative move. I know it's at least controversial to say that, but it has a certain truth in it.
No, you were clear got it...Also, thanks for mentioning how good What Goes On is on 69 Live...I really want to hear it!
Yes Doxa, but i think from this incredible distance in time, it is really very difficult to know precisely who took what from whom etc, unless it is blatantly obvious, as in the Stones introduction to 'Stray Cat Blues' being taken from the Velvet Underground's 'Heroin', or the Velvet Underground nicking the introduction of Marvin Gaye's 'Hitch Hike' for their own 'There She Goes Again'. Those things are so very obvious, they are pretty much as similar as it is possible to get.
Overwhelmingly things were moving at such speed, that everyone was pretty much taking from everyone else, almost before it is possible to know where the original idea actually came from. The problem i think with hindsight is it is really very difficult to get a handle on what 'Stray Cat Blues' may have sounded like on a first listen, within the context of what other artists were doing at the time. I think the song marked a definite maturity for the Stones in terms of a more mature (harder edged) rock sound, which we have almost taken for granted from the Stones ever since, because their catalogue has since been littered with them, but 'Stray Cat Blues' was undoubtely a breakthrough of sorts. Personally, i see the song as mixture of influences, with the Velvet Underground featuring pretty heavily too, within the guitar sound, although i wouldn't say the finished song is especially Velvet Underground in tone. Lyrically, i find it playful, and in a sense a follow on from the theme of 'The Spider And The Fly'. The Velvet Underground may have encouraged the Stones into being a little more explicit within their lyrics, but ultimately for me, the song's theme stretches back to the old blues themes from decades earlier, but without perhaps the more subtle/ambiguous nature that accompanied those earlier songs. The link from the old blues themes, through 'The Spider And The Fly' to 'Stray Cat Blues', are pretty indelible for me. It's a similar scenario, too, with a song like 'Parachute Women', in terms of it's lyrical (as well as musical) debt to the blues, and, although its undoubted theme is sex, it maintains that lyrical ambiguity to a degree (unlike perhaps 'Stray Cat Blues'), too (rather similarly to some of Dylan's lyrics, who was also influenced by those old blues songs). 'Parachute Woman' in many ways, is a direct follow on from 'Who's Driving Your Plane', for me.
The thing with the Velvet Underground was they (Lou) liked to report things in a very sober way, essentially, without dressing things up, or perhaps trying to glamourise, or trivialise things. Although themeatically they may have recorded songs which appoximated 'Stray Cat Blues', their reading, as in their perspective was very different. They were very unflinching and straight to the point.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-11 07:20 by Edward Twining.
It doesn't get much better than this!
Seriously, it really is like the most difficult thing to grasp. I'm finally moving past his death but I think I'm still in the mindset that "Oh, he'll be back eventually. He always is." Don't know why he seems like such a special case, but he was definitely someone I felt wouldn't be taken away but would just go on his own terms.
Also, great photos you've posted and great writing. Yet another great tribute to him that I'm glad you shared.
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Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
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treaclefingers
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Date: November 9, 2013 16:56
Lovely poignant interview. From that I got this link, MJ on Lou:
[www.rollingstone.com]
Mick Jagger
He had style – that attitudinal New York hipster style. He was quite rude in interviews, but in person he was actually quite friendly – just not over-effusive. He wasn't a schmoozer, which was good. Everyone talks about punk, but to me he was the Johnny Cash of New York rock; he was always the man in black. I used to have him over occasionally in New York, and later he used to come and visit Mustique [in the West Indies], which is not the most obvious place for Lou Reed to go on vacation. Lots of posh English people. But when I would see him there, he still had that style going on.
The surprise for me was "Walk on the Wild Side." It was melodic, really good, very original, with the background singing and acoustic bass – an original way of presenting him. But "I'm Waiting for the Man" was my first big Lou Reed tune. I liked it because it was so minimalist in the arrangement and the chords – and the guitar sound on it was grunge before there was grunge, way back in 1967.
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: November 9, 2013 18:00
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A very nice tribute by Jagger, indeed. And more obvious it is that taking how he describes "I'm Waiting For The Man" that The Velvet Underground had an influence on BEGGARS BANQUET
- Doxa
Yes, the opening to 'Stray Cat Blues' resembles the opening to 'Heroin'. However, apart from that i don't hear too much resemblance. I'm not sure the Stones were influenced greatly by the Velvet Underground, although any song that has drugs as a theme ('Sister Morphine' etc.) may have been influenced. However, i think it's all very tenuous.
I hear there more. I have always heard in "Stray Cat Blues" much more Velvet Underground than the opening intro ("Heroin"). It is the whole chaotic and daring - including the controversial lyrics, crazy guitar - atmosphere in the song is for me pure Velvet Underground. That is, the whole idea and feel of the song - which goes way beyond the boundaries of a melodic pop song in many sense of it - is inspired by them. And now when Jagger mentioned it as "grunge", if The Velvet Underground did that, surely the Stones in BEGGARS BANQUET as well. Not just only "Stray Cat Blues", but particularly "Parachute Woman". When Jagger mentions 'simplicity', in regards to 'chords' and 'arrangement', I think the latter has a rather lot in that. It was not just 'hey, let's play goood old twelve-bar blues' but there was more in that (it was, to use SilverDagger's great expression, "Psycho blues"). The whole attitude.
Now to think of that, the whole way "Street Fighting Man" sounds, and is constituted musically, has a lot of the mentioned 'new' Velvet Underground ideology in it. That never occurred to my mind before!
And the point is that they never would never sound so raw and dirty again - nor they did before - as they did in the above mentioned BEGGARS BANQUET tracks. There were new trends lurking there for a trend-sensitive Jagger and the banana album has lost its momentum inspiring not just upcoming bands but open-minded old hacks as well...
- Doxa
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-09 18:22 by Doxa.
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
Posted by:
RollingFreak
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Date: November 9, 2013 22:25
I basically ended my two week tribute to Lou last night. Don't know if anyone else was there (I doubt it because there were only two other people in the theater aside from me!) but this place called the Vista Theater in LA screened the Berlin 2006 concert film at midnight. I found out about it yesterday afternoon and never actually saw that film when it was released so I figured this would be the perfect way to bookend everything I've been listening to since his death.
Excellent theater. Really old timey, with the red curtain and everything, awesome sound system. I did stupidly figure others would show up (as I figured it must have been demanded for them to be showing it), but it was me and two other guys spread out throughout the theater. And one of them left around Caroline Says II! I thought "who would even come and not stay for the whole thing?!" Guess maybe he didn't like the way the film was done (which I'll admit was questionable). But I had a great time and it was a truly great performance. Really made me miss him alot but kind of the perfect way to say goodbye on the big screen. The other person that stayed till the end left during the credits of Sweet Jane, so I ended up being the only one that actually sat through the whole film!
Either way though, really sweet film and great to see now in retrospect. Still kills me I never got to see him live, but I've had fun revisiting his career these last two weeks. Just an incredible man, poet, and musician and he will be missed.
Excellent theater. Really old timey, with the red curtain and everything, awesome sound system. I did stupidly figure others would show up (as I figured it must have been demanded for them to be showing it), but it was me and two other guys spread out throughout the theater. And one of them left around Caroline Says II! I thought "who would even come and not stay for the whole thing?!" Guess maybe he didn't like the way the film was done (which I'll admit was questionable). But I had a great time and it was a truly great performance. Really made me miss him alot but kind of the perfect way to say goodbye on the big screen. The other person that stayed till the end left during the credits of Sweet Jane, so I ended up being the only one that actually sat through the whole film!
Either way though, really sweet film and great to see now in retrospect. Still kills me I never got to see him live, but I've had fun revisiting his career these last two weeks. Just an incredible man, poet, and musician and he will be missed.
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
Posted by:
stonehearted
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Date: November 9, 2013 22:48
While working on the Songs For Drella album with John Cale, Reed was also reuniting on record with another member of the Velvet Underground, drummer Maureen Tucker, who played on several tracks on Reed's New York album. Last Great American Whale is an obvious example, but the exact listing of tracks she played on the album doesn't appear to be available anywhere.
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
Posted by:
Chris Fountain
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Date: November 9, 2013 22:49
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RollingFreak
I basically ended my two week tribute to Lou last night. Don't know if anyone else was there (I doubt it because there were only two other people in the theater aside from me!) but this place called the Vista Theater in LA screened the Berlin 2006 concert film at midnight. I found out about it yesterday afternoon and never actually saw that film when it was released so I figured this would be the perfect way to bookend everything I've been listening to since his death.
Excellent theater. Really old timey, with the red curtain and everything, awesome sound system. I did stupidly figure others would show up (as I figured it must have been demanded for them to be showing it), but it was me and two other guys spread out throughout the theater. And one of them left around Caroline Says II! I thought "who would even come and not stay for the whole thing?!" Guess maybe he didn't like the way the film was done (which I'll admit was questionable). But I had a great time and it was a truly great performance. Really made me miss him alot but kind of the perfect way to say goodbye on the big screen. The other person that stayed till the end left during the credits of Sweet Jane, so I ended up being the only one that actually sat through the whole film!
Either way though, really sweet film and great to see now in retrospect. Still kills me I never got to see him live, but I've had fun revisiting his career these last two weeks. Just an incredible man, poet, and musician and he will be missed.
Very Nice Tribute!!
I've been listening to his entire collection myself these past two weeks. I did manage to catch him in Chapel Hill, NC circa 1985. If memory serves me correct it was right after New Sensations was released. Robert Quine was the guitarist. Lou Reed, in career did not play in the South that much to my knowledge. That particular night he was fit, quiet and simply Rock & Rolled. I do recall him saying during the concert that he was very appreciative of everyone being there (show was a sellout) and he had not been "down these parts" in many years. Like you said, he was an incredible man and his legacy will never be forgotten.
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Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
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treaclefingers
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Date: November 9, 2013 23:18
Listening to Max's Kansas City right now
EDIT...forgot this is where the 'lost verse' of Sweet Jane came from...the one that is on the beautiful rendition by the Cowboy Junkies.
EDIT 2...oh this is a lovely album....love his introduction of Sunday Morning.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-09 23:45 by treaclefingers.
EDIT...forgot this is where the 'lost verse' of Sweet Jane came from...the one that is on the beautiful rendition by the Cowboy Junkies.
EDIT 2...oh this is a lovely album....love his introduction of Sunday Morning.
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Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
Posted by:
champ72
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Date: November 10, 2013 00:46
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treaclefingers
Listening to Max's Kansas City right now
EDIT...forgot this is where the 'lost verse' of Sweet Jane came from...the one that is on the beautiful rendition by the Cowboy Junkies.
EDIT 2...oh this is a lovely album....love his introduction of Sunday Morning.
Actually not quite I don't think - if you listen to the version on 1969 Live (just after that incredible version of What Goes On) - it's pretty much identical to the Junkies version. Max's is great - but odd because Maureen isn't on there. I listened to it for years before I found out it was Lou's last gig..
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
Posted by:
stonehearted
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Date: November 10, 2013 00:55
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treaclefingers
Listening to Max's Kansas City right now
EDIT...forgot this is where the 'lost verse' of Sweet Jane came from...the one that is on the beautiful rendition by the Cowboy Junkies.
EDIT 2...oh this is a lovely album....love his introduction of Sunday Morning.
Here's the early studio version of Sweet Jane with the "lost verse", slower like the Cowboy Junkies version and a couple minutes longer than the one that ended up on the album.
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
Posted by:
BroomWagon
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Date: November 10, 2013 01:23
Gabba Gabba Hey, these two covers remind me of each other.
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
Posted by:
tatters
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Date: November 10, 2013 03:21
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stonehearted
While working on the Songs For Drella album with John Cale, Reed was also reuniting on record with another member of the Velvet Underground, drummer Maureen Tucker, who played on several tracks on Reed's New York album. Last Great American Whale is an obvious example, but the exact listing of tracks she played on the album doesn't appear to be available anywhere.
Wouldn't be surprised if she's on Dime Store Mystery, which actually sounds to me more like the Velvet Underground than almost anything on Drella.
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Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
Posted by:
stonehearted
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Date: November 10, 2013 03:25
^ Yes, definitely! I haven't listened to the New York album in many years. I used to own it on cassette, that's how long it's been.
I'll bet if I listened all the way through, then I'd have a pretty good idea.
I'll bet if I listened all the way through, then I'd have a pretty good idea.
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: November 10, 2013 03:34
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treaclefingers
Listening to Max's Kansas City right now
EDIT...forgot this is where the 'lost verse' of Sweet Jane came from...the one that is on the beautiful rendition by the Cowboy Junkies.
EDIT 2...oh this is a lovely album....love his introduction of Sunday Morning.
Actually not quite I don't think - if you listen to the version on 1969 Live (just after that incredible version of What Goes On) - it's pretty much identical to the Junkies version. Max's is great - but odd because Maureen isn't on there. I listened to it for years before I found out it was Lou's last gig..
Love 'What Goes On'...I had a band and we did a mean cover of that. Loved that song.
I don't have '69 live...I'll have to get it. I also didn't know that was Lou's last gig...until now!
Thanks for the info!
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Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
Posted by:
Edward Twining
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Date: November 10, 2013 12:29
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A very nice tribute by Jagger, indeed. And more obvious it is that taking how he describes "I'm Waiting For The Man" that The Velvet Underground had an influence on BEGGARS BANQUET
- Doxa
Yes, the opening to 'Stray Cat Blues' resembles the opening to 'Heroin'. However, apart from that i don't hear too much resemblance. I'm not sure the Stones were influenced greatly by the Velvet Underground, although any song that has drugs as a theme ('Sister Morphine' etc.) may have been influenced. However, i think it's all very tenuous.
I hear there more. I have always heard in "Stray Cat Blues" much more Velvet Underground than the opening intro ("Heroin"). It is the whole chaotic and daring - including the controversial lyrics, crazy guitar - atmosphere in the song is for me pure Velvet Underground. That is, the whole idea and feel of the song - which goes way beyond the boundaries of a melodic pop song in many sense of it - is inspired by them. And now when Jagger mentioned it as "grunge", if The Velvet Underground did that, surely the Stones in BEGGARS BANQUET as well. Not just only "Stray Cat Blues", but particularly "Parachute Woman". When Jagger mentions 'simplicity', in regards to 'chords' and 'arrangement', I think the latter has a rather lot in that. It was not just 'hey, let's play goood old twelve-bar blues' but there was more in that (it was, to use SilverDagger's great expression, "Psycho blues"). The whole attitude.
Now to think of that, the whole way "Street Fighting Man" sounds, and is constituted musically, has a lot of the mentioned 'new' Velvet Underground ideology in it. That never occurred to my mind before!
And the point is that they never would never sound so raw and dirty again - nor they did before - as they did in the above mentioned BEGGARS BANQUET tracks. There were new trends lurking there for a trend-sensitive Jagger and the banana album has lost its momentum inspiring not just upcoming bands but open-minded old hacks as well...
- Doxa
Maybe, Doxa. I just never really associated anything regarding BEGGARS BANQUET to be associated specifically with The Velvet Underground, the opening to 'Stray Cat Blues' aside. Yes, there were new trends emerging, and one of them was a back-to-basics approach, which was perhaps in part inspired by Bob Dylan's JOHN WESLEY HARDING, which in many ways was the rejection of the sometimes over elaborate psychedelic era. My thoughts concerning BEGGARS BANQUET is it was very much a return to the Stones roots, only perhaps updated to a more contemporary 1968 era style. Perhaps there is slightly more emphasis on the delta blues, than the electric blues mixed with a little country and rock. However, if you are going to make parallels to the Velvet Underground lyrically, i think you are correct - 'Stray Cat Blues', and maybe 'Parachute Woman' come closest. Perhaps though the guitar sound on 'Stray Cat Blues' is a little closer to the Velvet Underground's later work, on THE VELVET UNDERGROUND and LOADED, when the group's music became more conventionally 'rock', than the more experimental VELVET UNDERGROUND AND NICO and WHITE LIGHT WHITE HEAT. Strangely the thing that i have found most alike musically about the Velvet Underground and The Stones, is Jagger's early folk version of 'Sympathy For The Devil' from ONE PLUS ONE, which sounds very similar to 'Oh Sweet Nothing' from LOADED, Doug Yule sang 'Oh Sweet Nothing', although i do feel the coincidence is not deliberate.
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
Posted by:
champ72
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Date: November 10, 2013 12:51
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treaclefingers
Listening to Max's Kansas City right now
EDIT...forgot this is where the 'lost verse' of Sweet Jane came from...the one that is on the beautiful rendition by the Cowboy Junkies.
EDIT 2...oh this is a lovely album....love his introduction of Sunday Morning.
Actually not quite I don't think - if you listen to the version on 1969 Live (just after that incredible version of What Goes On) - it's pretty much identical to the Junkies version. Max's is great - but odd because Maureen isn't on there. I listened to it for years before I found out it was Lou's last gig..
Love 'What Goes On'...I had a band and we did a mean cover of that. Loved that song.
I don't have '69 live...I'll have to get it. I also didn't know that was Lou's last gig...until now!
Thanks for the info!
Just to clarify (as I did my usual trick of talking about 2 things at the same time..:-) ), Max's was Lou's last gig with the Velvets....my previous post could have been interpreted to suggest 1969 Live was.
As for 1969 Live - if you haven't heard the version of What Goes On from that - it will blow your head off. It blew my head off 25 year ago when I first heard it and got me interested in music..
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
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Date: November 10, 2013 15:34
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A very nice tribute by Jagger, indeed. And more obvious it is that taking how he describes "I'm Waiting For The Man" that The Velvet Underground had an influence on BEGGARS BANQUET
- Doxa
Yes, the opening to 'Stray Cat Blues' resembles the opening to 'Heroin'. However, apart from that i don't hear too much resemblance. I'm not sure the Stones were influenced greatly by the Velvet Underground, although any song that has drugs as a theme ('Sister Morphine' etc.) may have been influenced. However, i think it's all very tenuous.
I hear there more. I have always heard in "Stray Cat Blues" much more Velvet Underground than the opening intro ("Heroin"). It is the whole chaotic and daring - including the controversial lyrics, crazy guitar - atmosphere in the song is for me pure Velvet Underground. That is, the whole idea and feel of the song - which goes way beyond the boundaries of a melodic pop song in many sense of it - is inspired by them. And now when Jagger mentioned it as "grunge", if The Velvet Underground did that, surely the Stones in BEGGARS BANQUET as well. Not just only "Stray Cat Blues", but particularly "Parachute Woman". When Jagger mentions 'simplicity', in regards to 'chords' and 'arrangement', I think the latter has a rather lot in that. It was not just 'hey, let's play goood old twelve-bar blues' but there was more in that (it was, to use SilverDagger's great expression, "Psycho blues"). The whole attitude.
Now to think of that, the whole way "Street Fighting Man" sounds, and is constituted musically, has a lot of the mentioned 'new' Velvet Underground ideology in it. That never occurred to my mind before!
And the point is that they never would never sound so raw and dirty again - nor they did before - as they did in the above mentioned BEGGARS BANQUET tracks. There were new trends lurking there for a trend-sensitive Jagger and the banana album has lost its momentum inspiring not just upcoming bands but open-minded old hacks as well...
- Doxa
Maybe, Doxa. I just never really associated anything regarding BEGGARS BANQUET to be associated specifically with The Velvet Underground, the opening to 'Stray Cat Blues' aside. Yes, there were new trends emerging, and one of them was a back-to-basics approach, which was perhaps in part inspired by Bob Dylan's JOHN WESLEY HARDING, which in many ways was the rejection of the sometimes over elaborate psychedelic era. My thoughts concerning BEGGARS BANQUET is it was very much a return to the Stones roots, only perhaps updated to a more contemporary 1968 era style. Perhaps there is slightly more emphasis on the delta blues, than the electric blues mixed with a little country and rock. However, if you are going to make parallels to the Velvet Underground lyrically, i think you are correct - 'Stray Cat Blues', and maybe 'Parachute Woman' come closest. Perhaps though the guitar sound on 'Stray Cat Blues' is a little closer to the Velvet Underground's later work, on THE VELVET UNDERGROUND and LOADED, when the group's music became more conventionally 'rock', than the more experimental VELVET UNDERGROUND AND NICO and WHITE LIGHT WHITE HEAT. Strangely the thing that i have found most alike musically about the Velvet Underground and The Stones, is Jagger's early folk version of 'Sympathy For The Devil' from ONE PLUS ONE, which sounds very similar to 'Oh Sweet Nothing' from LOADED, Doug Yule sang 'Oh Sweet Nothing', although i do feel the coincidence is not deliberate.
I think the general picture as BEGGARS BANQUET being a 'return to the roots', inspired by the trends at the time (Dylan's example being surely a strong one, and also that of the emergance of Robert Johnson's KING OF DELTA BLUES PLAYERS VOl. 2) is accurate, but I think BEGGARS BANQUET cannot be altogether reduced to that explanation. Too simple. Besides that there was a lot of experimentality deriving straight from their 'psychedelic era' - this has been discussed many times here at IORR - there was also some features not straight-forwardly to be said being inspired neither of these sources.
Take "Street Fighting Man". What 'rootsy' is there? Yes, it is based on Keith's experiment on open tunings and the backing track famously recorded on a cassette player, but that's just the technical side of it. Where the hell they got the idea of making such a raw, almost cacophonic sounding production? A damn simple verse melody based on just on emphasizing the two notes going up and and down according to the C/F chord riff and the chorus basically just shouting out the lyrics almost atonally. Musically it was 'punk' before the punk was invented. Of course, we could say it all became 'out of the blue' but I think listening to THE VELVET UNDRGROUND AND NICO - especially "Heroin" and "I'm Waiting For My Man" - and taking Jagger's words at face value, there at least was something somehow similar going according to those lines.
This has nothing to do with belittlening the originality of the Stones. No, they could any inspiring idea and make their own original-sounding variant of that, based on idiosyncratic skills and mixed up with other influences. That's why I don't think the point is to find one-to-one going particular similarities but more like general ideas leading or affecting the creative process. I could easily think Jagger while listening to Andy Warhol's odd product, and seemingly being impressed by it, as a receptive music-maker absorbing something of it to his own doings. For example, using some of those ideas with Keith's open tuning experiments...
- Doxa
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Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
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Take "Street Fighting Man". What 'rootsy' is there? Yes, it is based on Keith's experiment on open tunings and the backing track famously recorded on a cassette player, but that's just the technical side of it. Where the hell they got the idea of making such a raw, almost cacophonic sounding production? A damn simple verse melody based on just on emphasizing the two notes going up and and down according to the C/F chord riff and the chorus basically just shouting out the lyrics almost atonally. Musically it was 'punk' before the punk was invented. Of course, we could say it all became 'out of the blue' but I think listening to THE VELVET UNDRGROUND AND NICO - especially "Heroin" and "I'm Waiting For My Man" - and taking Jagger's words at face value, there at least was something somehow similar going according to those lines.
This has nothing to do with belittlening the originality of the Stones. No, they could any inspiring idea and make their own original-sounding variant of that, based on idiosyncratic skills and mixed up with other influences. That's why I don't think the point is to find one-to-one going particular similarities but more like general ideas leading or affecting the creative process. I could easily think Jagger while listening to Andy Warhol's odd product, and seemingly being impressed by it, as a receptive music-maker absorbing something of it to his own doings. For example, using some of those ideas with Keith's open tuning experiments...
- Doxa
Maybe you have a point, Doxa, and i do see where there can be a comparison made between, say 'I'm Waiting For My Man' and 'Stray Cat Blues' within the guitar sound. It is just that i tend to think of Maureen Tucker's unusual rhythmic arrangement primarily, in addition to Lou Reed's lyric and vocal before anything else. With the Velvet Underground's first album, what tends to be the the primary feature for me, is the unusual amalgamation of the various musical/vocal textures, which up to that point, few would have considered trying and perhaps placing on any pop/rock album. Yes, i do agree that an element of those sounds can be found on, say, 'Stray Cat Blues', although for me, that guitar sound was one element to a much bigger frame, with The Velvets, whereas the Stones tend to condense that one guitar sound , and build a song around it. Essentially though, i believe you make a very good pont. However, in another example, listening to the opening to the Velvet's 'There She Goes Again' brings back the beginning to 'Hitch Hike' very strongly (although of course it isn't originally a Stones penned song).
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Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
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Date: November 11, 2013 00:06
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Maybe you have a point, Doxa, and i do see where there can be a comparison made between, say 'I'm Waiting For My Man' and 'Stray Cat Blues' within the guitar sound. It is just that i tend to think of Maureen Tucker's unusual rhythmic arrangement primarily, in addition to Lou Reed's lyric and vocal before anything else. With the Velvet Underground's first album, what tends to be the the primary feature for me, is the unusual amalgamation of the various musical/vocal textures, which up to that point, few would have considered trying and perhaps placing on any pop/rock album. Yes, i do agree that an element of those sounds can be found on, say, 'Stray Cat Blues', although for me, that guitar sound was one element to a much bigger frame, with The Velvets, whereas the Stones tend to condense that one guitar sound , and build a song around it. Essentially though, i believe you make a very good pont. However, in another example, listening to the opening to the Velvet's 'There She Goes Again' brings back the beginning to 'Hitch Hike' very strongly (although of course it isn't originally a Stones penned song).
Yep, I think the words in bold are exactly the feature I also tried to point out - which, I think goes beyond any singular similarities between their songs (such as the open intro in "Stray Cat Blues"). From a music maker's point of view, there is damn exciting new things going on in that album, and like I tried to say, Jagger - or even Richards who still back then had his ears open to new trends - might having found out that inspiring. And the 'banana album' still being kind of open secret - as far from a hit album as possible - trying those things quickly as possible (before too many else have noticed yet) could have been damn good 'trend-sensing' and a claim for originality...
But you made an important remark about "There She Goes Again". I remember there was probably in this thread quote by Reed that it really was a rip off from the original "Hitch Hike". Had the Stones role there or not, I think it is crucial to notice (or remember) that the influence went both directions. Not that these British Invasion Stars were, once again, ripping off original ideas from America and making their versions of it. No, one can not perhaps underestimate how much these British bands - and the Stones with the Beatles being surely the most influental - initially did affect on the upcoming American rock bands, and even the rise of them. I think especially the 'aggressive' Stones with the sounds their made and the image they had had for such controversial bands such as The Doors, MC5 and I guess The Velvet Underground as well. Iggy Pop has nicely described how huge impact Jagger's "unkind" voice alone made for him, which inspired also him to sing.
Which makes me back to "Heroin"... Yes, the guitar intro of "Stray Cat Blues" has striking resemblances to it, but just listen the way Reed announces the dramatical "I" when he starts his vocal delivery - and emphasizing that word is one of the key things throughout the early stages in the song. Now, go on and listen how the first song by The Stones that made some kind of impact in US single charts starts, "Tell Me"... just the way Jagger throws that little but emphasized word in the top of little shaky acoustic C chord.... (the cool New York people didn't listen just Dylan...)
So by 1968 the things started to be funny in that sense that it was the Stones started to take influences from people who originally were influenced by them, and who had taken something they got from them further...
- Doxa
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Date: November 11, 2013 00:42
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Lovely poignant interview. From that I got this link, MJ on Lou:
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Mick Jagger
He had style – that attitudinal New York hipster style. He was quite rude in interviews, but in person he was actually quite friendly – just not over-effusive. He wasn't a schmoozer, which was good. Everyone talks about punk, but to me he was the Johnny Cash of New York rock; he was always the man in black. I used to have him over occasionally in New York, and later he used to come and visit Mustique [in the West Indies], which is not the most obvious place for Lou Reed to go on vacation. Lots of posh English people. But when I would see him there, he still had that style going on.
The surprise for me was "Walk on the Wild Side." It was melodic, really good, very original, with the background singing and acoustic bass – an original way of presenting him. But "I'm Waiting for the Man" was my first big Lou Reed tune. I liked it because it was so minimalist in the arrangement and the chords – and the guitar sound on it was grunge before there was grunge, way back in 1967.
nice tribute from Jagger on Reed.....reading between the lines is Jagger's praise of Bowie...who produced Transformer....
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A very nice tribute by Jagger, indeed. And more obvious it is that taking how he describes "I'm Waiting For The Man" that The Velvet Underground had an influence on BEGGARS BANQUET
- Doxa
Yes, the opening to 'Stray Cat Blues' resembles the opening to 'Heroin'. However, apart from that i don't hear too much resemblance. I'm not sure the Stones were influenced greatly by the Velvet Underground, although any song that has drugs as a theme ('Sister Morphine' etc.) may have been influenced. However, i think it's all very tenuous.
Jagger said they wanted to recreate the feel of Heroin's opening on SCB's opening, that's all. And they succeeded, even with a meaner and darker result, imo.
No theres more to it than that.
Anyone remember the story of how Lou went to Mick in 1966 with a tape and Marianne answered to door?
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
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Date: November 11, 2013 01:47
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Maybe you have a point, Doxa, and i do see where there can be a comparison made between, say 'I'm Waiting For My Man' and 'Stray Cat Blues' within the guitar sound. It is just that i tend to think of Maureen Tucker's unusual rhythmic arrangement primarily, in addition to Lou Reed's lyric and vocal before anything else. With the Velvet Underground's first album, what tends to be the the primary feature for me, is the unusual amalgamation of the various musical/vocal textures, which up to that point, few would have considered trying and perhaps placing on any pop/rock album. Yes, i do agree that an element of those sounds can be found on, say, 'Stray Cat Blues', although for me, that guitar sound was one element to a much bigger frame, with The Velvets, whereas the Stones tend to condense that one guitar sound , and build a song around it. Essentially though, i believe you make a very good pont. However, in another example, listening to the opening to the Velvet's 'There She Goes Again' brings back the beginning to 'Hitch Hike' very strongly (although of course it isn't originally a Stones penned song).
Yep, I think the words in bold are exactly the feature I also tried to point out - which, I think goes beyond any singular similarities between their songs (such as the open intro in "Stray Cat Blues"). From a music maker's point of view, there is damn exciting new things going on in that album, and like I tried to say, Jagger - or even Richards who still back then had his ears open to new trends - might having found out that inspiring. And the 'banana album' still being kind of open secret - as far from a hit album as possible - trying those things quickly as possible (before too many else have noticed yet) could have been damn good 'trend-sensing' and a claim for originality...
But you made an important remark about "There She Goes Again". I remember there was probably in this thread quote by Reed that it really was a rip off from the original "Hitch Hike". Had the Stones role there or not, I think it is crucial to notice (or remember) that the influence went both directions. Not that these British Invasion Stars were, once again, ripping off original ideas from America and making their versions of it. No, one can not perhaps underestimate how much these British bands - and the Stones with the Beatles being surely the most influental - initially did affect on the upcoming American rock bands, and even the rise of them. I think especially the 'aggressive' Stones with the sounds their made and the image they had had for such controversial bands such as The Doors, MC5 and I guess The Velvet Underground as well. Iggy Pop has nicely described how huge impact Jagger's "unkind" voice alone made for him, which inspired also him to sing.
Which makes me back to "Heroin"... Yes, the guitar intro of "Stray Cat Blues" has striking resemblances to it, but just listen the way Reed announces the dramatical "I" when he starts his vocal delivery - and emphasizing that word is one of the key things throughout the early stages in the song. Now, go on and listen how the first song by The Stones that made some kind of impact in US single charts starts, "Tell Me"... just the way Jagger throws that little but emphasized word in the top of little shaky acoustic C chord.... (the cool New York people didn't listen just Dylan...)
So by 1968 the things started to be funny in that sense that it was the Stones started to take influences from people who originally were influenced by them, and who had taken something they got from them further...
- Doxa
I wrote somewhere else that Beggars B. was in a sense a conservative move. I know it's at least controversial to say that, but it has a certain truth in it.
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
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Date: November 11, 2013 06:00
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Listening to Max's Kansas City right now
EDIT...forgot this is where the 'lost verse' of Sweet Jane came from...the one that is on the beautiful rendition by the Cowboy Junkies.
EDIT 2...oh this is a lovely album....love his introduction of Sunday Morning.
Actually not quite I don't think - if you listen to the version on 1969 Live (just after that incredible version of What Goes On) - it's pretty much identical to the Junkies version. Max's is great - but odd because Maureen isn't on there. I listened to it for years before I found out it was Lou's last gig..
Love 'What Goes On'...I had a band and we did a mean cover of that. Loved that song.
I don't have '69 live...I'll have to get it. I also didn't know that was Lou's last gig...until now!
Thanks for the info!
Just to clarify (as I did my usual trick of talking about 2 things at the same time..:-) ), Max's was Lou's last gig with the Velvets....my previous post could have been interpreted to suggest 1969 Live was.
As for 1969 Live - if you haven't heard the version of What Goes On from that - it will blow your head off. It blew my head off 25 year ago when I first heard it and got me interested in music..
No, you were clear got it...Also, thanks for mentioning how good What Goes On is on 69 Live...I really want to hear it!
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
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Date: November 11, 2013 06:50
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So by 1968 the things started to be funny in that sense that it was the Stones started to take influences from people who originally were influenced by them, and who had taken something they got from them further...
- Doxa
Yes Doxa, but i think from this incredible distance in time, it is really very difficult to know precisely who took what from whom etc, unless it is blatantly obvious, as in the Stones introduction to 'Stray Cat Blues' being taken from the Velvet Underground's 'Heroin', or the Velvet Underground nicking the introduction of Marvin Gaye's 'Hitch Hike' for their own 'There She Goes Again'. Those things are so very obvious, they are pretty much as similar as it is possible to get.
Overwhelmingly things were moving at such speed, that everyone was pretty much taking from everyone else, almost before it is possible to know where the original idea actually came from. The problem i think with hindsight is it is really very difficult to get a handle on what 'Stray Cat Blues' may have sounded like on a first listen, within the context of what other artists were doing at the time. I think the song marked a definite maturity for the Stones in terms of a more mature (harder edged) rock sound, which we have almost taken for granted from the Stones ever since, because their catalogue has since been littered with them, but 'Stray Cat Blues' was undoubtely a breakthrough of sorts. Personally, i see the song as mixture of influences, with the Velvet Underground featuring pretty heavily too, within the guitar sound, although i wouldn't say the finished song is especially Velvet Underground in tone. Lyrically, i find it playful, and in a sense a follow on from the theme of 'The Spider And The Fly'. The Velvet Underground may have encouraged the Stones into being a little more explicit within their lyrics, but ultimately for me, the song's theme stretches back to the old blues themes from decades earlier, but without perhaps the more subtle/ambiguous nature that accompanied those earlier songs. The link from the old blues themes, through 'The Spider And The Fly' to 'Stray Cat Blues', are pretty indelible for me. It's a similar scenario, too, with a song like 'Parachute Women', in terms of it's lyrical (as well as musical) debt to the blues, and, although its undoubted theme is sex, it maintains that lyrical ambiguity to a degree (unlike perhaps 'Stray Cat Blues'), too (rather similarly to some of Dylan's lyrics, who was also influenced by those old blues songs). 'Parachute Woman' in many ways, is a direct follow on from 'Who's Driving Your Plane', for me.
The thing with the Velvet Underground was they (Lou) liked to report things in a very sober way, essentially, without dressing things up, or perhaps trying to glamourise, or trivialise things. Although themeatically they may have recorded songs which appoximated 'Stray Cat Blues', their reading, as in their perspective was very different. They were very unflinching and straight to the point.
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Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
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Date: November 11, 2013 07:06
It doesn't get much better than this!
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
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Date: November 11, 2013 07:32
another picture i shot of lou last year- man it's hard to believe he is gone - i posted earlier bit if you missed it a bit i wrote about him
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Date: November 11, 2013 08:48
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man it's hard to believe he is gone
Seriously, it really is like the most difficult thing to grasp. I'm finally moving past his death but I think I'm still in the mindset that "Oh, he'll be back eventually. He always is." Don't know why he seems like such a special case, but he was definitely someone I felt wouldn't be taken away but would just go on his own terms.
Also, great photos you've posted and great writing. Yet another great tribute to him that I'm glad you shared.
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
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Date: November 11, 2013 09:24
(thanks and you're welcome) it's funny - a lot of people have expressed this lately- that the Lou Reed thing is hitting really hard- i think his stubbornness and surliness just made him seem like he'd outlast them all- plus the music was just always so tough and sturdy. I dunno - my 20 year old son talks about it all the time - when he heard it on the news it was like a death in the family - i guess a loss like this just reminds us how important music is to all of us.
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Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
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Date: November 11, 2013 10:07
So flame me - I like the album New York (LIKE - not LOVE) and a handful of other tunes, but I just never got any other Lou Reed. I CERTAINLY could never get his legendary status.So he's rude, or stubborn or surly. If that makes him a legend so is my Aunt Amy.
I could never listen to an album all the way thru, thats for sure.
Sorry he has passed. Especially feel for his family. But his music? No, sorry, not my cup of tea.
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I could never listen to an album all the way thru, thats for sure.
Sorry he has passed. Especially feel for his family. But his music? No, sorry, not my cup of tea.
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Rod
Perth
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Date: November 11, 2013 10:11
being rude didn't make him a legend- the music made him a legend. the attitude was just a big fat bonus.
Re: OT: RIP Lou Reed
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Date: November 11, 2013 10:22
Since 13 pages have gone by without this being posted, it's possible not many have seen it. In 2007, Pete Townshend and Lou Reed played together live for the first time.
During downtime from The Who's Endless Wire tour, Pete Townshend and longtime companion Rachel Fuller hosted a series of acoustic and informal performances called In The Attic. On February 20, 2007, at Joe's Pub in New York City, Pete Townshend and Lou Reed sat down and played guitar together for the first time ever on three Velvet Underground songs: Waiting For The Man, White Light/White Heat, and Pale Blue Eyes.
The performances were featured in the Rachel Fuller presents: In The Attic with Pete Townshend & Friends 1 DVD and 2 CD set that was eventually released (in 2009).
CD 01
01. Tommy Medley - Tenacious D
02. Let My Love Open the Door - Joe Purdy
03. Daisy - Joe Purdy
04. Sir Walter Raleigh - Rachel Fuller
05. I Can Fly - Rachel Fuller
06. Orange Sky - Alexi Murdoch
07. Dream About Flying - Alexi Murdoch
08. Please Bleed - Ben Harper
09. Diamonds on the Inside - Ben Harper
10. The Real Me - Pete Townshend
11. Drowned - Pete Townshend
CD 02
01. What's Been Going On - Amos Lee
02. Freedom - Amos Lee
03. Be Be Your Love - Rachael Yamagata
04. Paper Doll - Rachael Yamagata
05. Carwash for Peace - Jimmy Fallon
06. President's Day - Jimmy Fallon
07. Jigsaw - Rachel Fuller
08. Cigarettes and Housework - Rachel Fuller
09. Acid Queen - Pete Townshend
10. Won't Get Fooled Again - Pete Townshend
11. White Light/White Heat - Lou Reed
12. Pale Blue Eyes - Lou Reed
Tracks DVD
01. Tommy Medley - Tenaciuos D
02. Daisy - Joe Purdy
03. Let My Love Open The Door - Joe Purdy
04. Talk About Suffering - Joe Purdy
05. Sir Walter Raleigh - Rachel Fuller
06. Dream About Flying - Alexi Murdoch
07. Orange Sky - Alexi Murdoch
08. Please Bleed - Ben Harper
09. Diamonds On The Inside - Ben Harper
10. I'm One - Ben Harper
11. The Real Me - Pete Townshend
12. Acid Queen - Pete Townshend
13. Drowned - Pete Townshend
14. Won't Get Fooled Again - Pete Townshend
15. What's Been Going On - Amos Lee
16. Cigarettes And Housework - Rachel Fuller
17. Carwash For Peace - Jimmy Fallon
18. Paper Doll - Rachael Yamagata
19. White Light/White Heat - Lou Reed
20. Pale Blue Eyes - Lou Reed
On the official website for The Who, under a tribute heading titled "R.I.P. Lou Reed: Take a walk on the peaceful side", Townshend posted a blog entry titled "Storms and people passing" in which he devoted a paragraph to Reed and remembers fondly their 2007 jam at Joe's Pub:
Yesterday I heard about the passing of Lou Reed. I’d been thinking about him after meeting Jean Michel Jarre last Saturday. He is a friend of Lou and Laurie Anderson. My heart goes out to Laurie whom I met briefly when Lou played with me at Rachel Fuller’s ATTIC JAM at Joe’s Pub in NYC. Lou seemed to have fun that night, and it was wonderful and easy for me to perform with this clear-sighted musician who I had expected to be so difficult.
Lou Reed tribute page: [thewho.com]
Full Pete Townshend blog entry: [thewho.com]
Lou Reed: I was rehearsing with Jack White [and] The Raconteurs, and we took a little break and did a kind of acoustic version of this, and I thought it'd be good for me and Pete.
Pete Townshend: It is,.... 'cause I'm better than Jack.... although somebody told me tonight I've got exactly the same pants.... as Jack.
During downtime from The Who's Endless Wire tour, Pete Townshend and longtime companion Rachel Fuller hosted a series of acoustic and informal performances called In The Attic. On February 20, 2007, at Joe's Pub in New York City, Pete Townshend and Lou Reed sat down and played guitar together for the first time ever on three Velvet Underground songs: Waiting For The Man, White Light/White Heat, and Pale Blue Eyes.
The performances were featured in the Rachel Fuller presents: In The Attic with Pete Townshend & Friends 1 DVD and 2 CD set that was eventually released (in 2009).
CD 01
01. Tommy Medley - Tenacious D
02. Let My Love Open the Door - Joe Purdy
03. Daisy - Joe Purdy
04. Sir Walter Raleigh - Rachel Fuller
05. I Can Fly - Rachel Fuller
06. Orange Sky - Alexi Murdoch
07. Dream About Flying - Alexi Murdoch
08. Please Bleed - Ben Harper
09. Diamonds on the Inside - Ben Harper
10. The Real Me - Pete Townshend
11. Drowned - Pete Townshend
CD 02
01. What's Been Going On - Amos Lee
02. Freedom - Amos Lee
03. Be Be Your Love - Rachael Yamagata
04. Paper Doll - Rachael Yamagata
05. Carwash for Peace - Jimmy Fallon
06. President's Day - Jimmy Fallon
07. Jigsaw - Rachel Fuller
08. Cigarettes and Housework - Rachel Fuller
09. Acid Queen - Pete Townshend
10. Won't Get Fooled Again - Pete Townshend
11. White Light/White Heat - Lou Reed
12. Pale Blue Eyes - Lou Reed
Tracks DVD
01. Tommy Medley - Tenaciuos D
02. Daisy - Joe Purdy
03. Let My Love Open The Door - Joe Purdy
04. Talk About Suffering - Joe Purdy
05. Sir Walter Raleigh - Rachel Fuller
06. Dream About Flying - Alexi Murdoch
07. Orange Sky - Alexi Murdoch
08. Please Bleed - Ben Harper
09. Diamonds On The Inside - Ben Harper
10. I'm One - Ben Harper
11. The Real Me - Pete Townshend
12. Acid Queen - Pete Townshend
13. Drowned - Pete Townshend
14. Won't Get Fooled Again - Pete Townshend
15. What's Been Going On - Amos Lee
16. Cigarettes And Housework - Rachel Fuller
17. Carwash For Peace - Jimmy Fallon
18. Paper Doll - Rachael Yamagata
19. White Light/White Heat - Lou Reed
20. Pale Blue Eyes - Lou Reed
On the official website for The Who, under a tribute heading titled "R.I.P. Lou Reed: Take a walk on the peaceful side", Townshend posted a blog entry titled "Storms and people passing" in which he devoted a paragraph to Reed and remembers fondly their 2007 jam at Joe's Pub:
Yesterday I heard about the passing of Lou Reed. I’d been thinking about him after meeting Jean Michel Jarre last Saturday. He is a friend of Lou and Laurie Anderson. My heart goes out to Laurie whom I met briefly when Lou played with me at Rachel Fuller’s ATTIC JAM at Joe’s Pub in NYC. Lou seemed to have fun that night, and it was wonderful and easy for me to perform with this clear-sighted musician who I had expected to be so difficult.
Lou Reed tribute page: [thewho.com]
Full Pete Townshend blog entry: [thewho.com]
Lou Reed: I was rehearsing with Jack White [and] The Raconteurs, and we took a little break and did a kind of acoustic version of this, and I thought it'd be good for me and Pete.
Pete Townshend: It is,.... 'cause I'm better than Jack.... although somebody told me tonight I've got exactly the same pants.... as Jack.
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