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howled
As far as I know, Keith comes up with a middle eastern riff and hits the studio with no real plans for a Sitar or the final rhythm and Mick's still doing the lyrics as the songs being thrashed out.
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His Majesty
The pre Taylor stones was a different band.
I tend to think more in terms of "post Brian" .
For me the 68/69 Stones [essentially without Brian] is the second band before MT joined to augment it.
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24FPS
I think Paint It, Black transcends rock and roll. Which is a good thing.
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His Majesty
It's interesting that much is made of the sitar, but the melody is being played by an electric and acoustic as well.
It's annoying, but also some what amusing when some Jones fans, the type that think he invented the stones and the world, think the opening guitar intro and some parts played by Keith on guitar is Brian on sitar. Sheesh.
You try to tell them it's a Keith guitar part and you become the target of much hatred and derision. A simple pointing out of their mistake is akin to joining Mick and Keith in supposedly intentionally mocking and down playing his contributions.
Yah cannie win.
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treaclefingers
Yah cannie always try though!
You really whipped yourself up into a lather there HM.
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treaclefingers
Yah cannie always try though!
You really whipped yourself up into a lather there HM.
Lather? Great song.
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24FPS
I think Paint It, Black transcends rock and roll. Which is a good thing.
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24FPS
I think Paint It, Black transcends rock and roll. Which is a good thing.
Well, it certainly isn't rock and roll.
rock and roll
noun
1. a type of popular dance music originating in the 1950s, characterized by a heavy beat and simple melodies. Rock and roll was an amalgam of black rhythm and blues and white country music, usually based on a twelve-bar structure and an instrumentation of guitar, bass, and drums.
There ain't no blues in PIB, baby. No country either, far as I can tell. These are major reasons why I just can't too excited about it.
Drew
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24FPS
I think Paint It, Black transcends rock and roll. Which is a good thing.
Well, it certainly isn't rock and roll.
rock and roll
noun
1. a type of popular dance music originating in the 1950s, characterized by a heavy beat and simple melodies. Rock and roll was an amalgam of black rhythm and blues and white country music, usually based on a twelve-bar structure and an instrumentation of guitar, bass, and drums.
There ain't no blues in PIB, baby. No country either, far as I can tell. These are major reasons why I just can't too excited about it.
Drew
You limit yourself to being excited by only rock and roll? The Stones themselves had varying interests in music, many of them not rock and roll at all. Brian could barely stand rock and roll. Charlie could have cared less. What set the Rolling Stones apart, and puts them up in heady almost Beatles territory, were their forays into eclecticism. She's A Rainbow. 2,000 Light Years From Home. Ruby Tuesday. These are songs that set them apart from the run of the mill rock and roll band.
I always shake my head when people try to stuff the Rolling Stones into a rock and roll box. They started out as a Blues and R&B band. Then they moved into Pop territory. Their hard core rock and roll years really only cover about 1969-1974. The rest of the time they were experimenting with reggae, country, psychedelia, disco. They even tried some electronic music on Bridges to Babylon. I laugh at the term 'Greatest Rock and Roll Band In The World'. Hell, they weren't even that at times. They survived and outlasted all the others. But rock and roll? That's just one color on the Rolling Stone's palette.
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His Majesty
It's interesting that much is made of the sitar, but the melody is being played by an electric and acoustic as well.
It's annoying, but also some what amusing when some Jones fans, the type that think he invented the stones and the world, think the opening guitar intro and some parts played by Keith on guitar is Brian on sitar. Sheesh.
You try to tell them it's a Keith guitar part and you become the target of much hatred and derision. A simple pointing out of their mistake is akin to joining Mick and Keith in supposedly intentionally mocking and down playing his contributions.
Yah cannie win.
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His Majesty
It's interesting that much is made of the sitar, but the melody is being played by an electric and acoustic as well.
It's annoying, but also some what amusing when some Jones fans, the type that think he invented the stones and the world, think the opening guitar intro and some parts played by Keith on guitar is Brian on sitar. Sheesh.
You try to tell them it's a Keith guitar part and you become the target of much hatred and derision. A simple pointing out of their mistake is akin to joining Mick and Keith in supposedly intentionally mocking and down playing his contributions.
Yah cannie win.
I know it's the guitar but the sitar plays the melody as well later. It's the best guitar/sitar track ever.
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Redhotcarpet
No they dont. The guitar and sitar interplay on PIB is amazing, the sound is fantastic. Actually one of the greatest weaving moments. Jones made it rock and Richards made his guitar sound more like "the Jew in him" (his maternal grandfather?).
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24FPS
I think Paint It, Black transcends rock and roll. Which is a good thing.
Well, it certainly isn't rock and roll.
rock and roll
noun
1. a type of popular dance music originating in the 1950s, characterized by a heavy beat and simple melodies. Rock and roll was an amalgam of black rhythm and blues and white country music, usually based on a twelve-bar structure and an instrumentation of guitar, bass, and drums.
There ain't no blues in PIB, baby. No country either, far as I can tell. These are major reasons why I just can't too excited about it.
Drew
You limit yourself to being excited by only rock and roll? The Stones themselves had varying interests in music, many of them not rock and roll at all. Brian could barely stand rock and roll. Charlie could have cared less. What set the Rolling Stones apart, and puts them up in heady almost Beatles territory, were their forays into eclecticism. She's A Rainbow. 2,000 Light Years From Home. Ruby Tuesday. These are songs that set them apart from the run of the mill rock and roll band.
I always shake my head when people try to stuff the Rolling Stones into a rock and roll box. They started out as a Blues and R&B band. Then they moved into Pop territory. Their hard core rock and roll years really only cover about 1969-1974. The rest of the time they were experimenting with reggae, country, psychedelia, disco. They even tried some electronic music on Bridges to Babylon. I laugh at the term 'Greatest Rock and Roll Band In The World'. Hell, they weren't even that at times. They survived and outlasted all the others. But rock and roll? That's just one color on the Rolling Stone's palette.
Yep, so why is people here still calling a song like 'Paint it Black' for Rock'n'Roll...it's pure POP....and it is important to sort things out...
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24FPS
I think Paint It, Black transcends rock and roll. Which is a good thing.
Well, it certainly isn't rock and roll.
rock and roll
noun
1. a type of popular dance music originating in the 1950s, characterized by a heavy beat and simple melodies. Rock and roll was an amalgam of black rhythm and blues and white country music, usually based on a twelve-bar structure and an instrumentation of guitar, bass, and drums.
There ain't no blues in PIB, baby. No country either, far as I can tell. These are major reasons why I just can't too excited about it.
Drew
You limit yourself to being excited by only rock and roll? The Stones themselves had varying interests in music, many of them not rock and roll at all. Brian could barely stand rock and roll. Charlie could have cared less. What set the Rolling Stones apart, and puts them up in heady almost Beatles territory, were their forays into eclecticism. She's A Rainbow. 2,000 Light Years From Home. Ruby Tuesday. These are songs that set them apart from the run of the mill rock and roll band.
I always shake my head when people try to stuff the Rolling Stones into a rock and roll box. They started out as a Blues and R&B band. Then they moved into Pop territory. Their hard core rock and roll years really only cover about 1969-1974. The rest of the time they were experimenting with reggae, country, psychedelia, disco. They even tried some electronic music on Bridges to Babylon. I laugh at the term 'Greatest Rock and Roll Band In The World'. Hell, they weren't even that at times. They survived and outlasted all the others. But rock and roll? That's just one color on the Rolling Stone's palette.
Yep, so why is people here still calling a song like 'Paint it Black' for Rock'n'Roll...it's pure POP....and it is important to sort things out...
Spot on, Come On. 24FPS, you make some valid points! However, I would argue that most of the Stones best work has *some* connection with the blues and/or country music. They are, after all, rooted in the blues / early rock and roll, and their genius has been in transmuting that music in all kinds of brilliant and wonderful ways. When they stray too far (as, for me, they do in PIB, which has no connection to those roots musically, although perhaps lyrically) is when I lose the plot.
Also, just wanted to note that we don't choose the music that we appreciate, it chooses us. Certainly I would very much like it if PIB made me want to want to shake my tail feathers, but alas, it does not. That Turkish-Carpathian-Bukovinian psychedelic-polka beat (to quote from Silver Dagger's excellent post) just does not get me moving.
Drew
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latebloomer
Happy belated 50th birthday to Paint it Black...that cool, dark, driving, primordial song that is like no other on the planet. I sure do love The Rolling Stones.
Read More: 50 Years Ago: The Rolling Stones Release ‘Paint It, Black’ [ultimateclassicrock.com]