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howled
I think some are reading too much into it.
The song started off with Keith's riff and they were doing novelty joke like things with it in the studio according to Keith and they probably would have had no idea when they were first playing around with it that it would end up as a potential single.
For how the Stones play around with arrangements, see the Goddard Sympathy video where it goes from an Acoustic song to a Samba.
Anyway, they played around with what would become Paint It Black and I think Jack Nitzsche got the rhythm going in a certain way and the Sitar playing the riff spun it in a certain way and then Mick probably finished off the lyrics to suit it (maybe inspired by some things he's read) and that was Paint It Black.
It could have ended up as a Mothers Little Helper thing with a middle eastern riff and different lyrics to suit.
The lyrics are about someones funeral that the person has known and the after effects, and Eleanor Rigby was sort of similar and recorded a bit earlier and later then when Paint It Black hit the charts.
This was in the period where the Beatles had stopped singing about Love and just about any subject could theoretically be used for a pop song.
Satisfaction was Keith suggesting Satisfaction as the title and Mick just focused on how he couldn't get it in the lyrics, which just worked.
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Doxa
Yeah, thanks The Beatles for 'inspiration'. But as far as "Paint It Black" goes, I think they should be proud for having inspired (to an extent) achievements like that. What the Stones did with 'their' ideas, was totally original (very much based on their own unique nature as a band), as we can hear from the result.
- Doxa
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I do not understand how any man can get it to that PIB is a Rock song? ]
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I do not understand how any man can get it to that PIB is a Rock song? ]
If a song rocks like hell, it is a rock song. I don't see it any less 'rocker' than, say, "Satisfaction", "Jumpin Jack Flash" or "Brown Sugar" is.
What actually is 'pop' in it? The Eastern melody line? Sitar? Charlie's drums which hit your face? The aggressive delivery of Jagger and its dark lyrics? (But, of course, rock is a form of pop music, so this is semantics...)
In my books it is one of the greatest rock songs ever written. A unique sounding rocker.
- Doxa
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Silver Dagger
A rocker in my books is any song that gets the blood racing and makes you want to propel your body in any particular direction - up and down, sideways, backwards and forward etc!
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Doxa
What actually is 'pop' in it? The Eastern melody line? Sitar? Charlie's drums which hit your face? The aggressive delivery of Jagger and its dark lyrics? (But, of course, rock is a form of pop music, so this is semantics...)
- Doxa
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Rockman
gets the blood racing and makes you want to propel your body in any particular direction - up and down, sideways, backwards and forward etc!
.........sure your not talking about pissing on an electric-fence??...??...???
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Silver Dagger
A rocker in my books is any song that gets the blood racing and makes you want to propel your body in any particular direction - up and down, sideways, backwards and forward etc!
A good definition! The material come from anywhere. You take a Dylanisque folk song, give it a samba rhythmn (), and add a screaming blues eletric guitar solo, and what you get? A rock and roll masterpiece...
(By the way, like you mentioned earlier, there is a lot of similarity between "Paint It Black" and "Sympathy For The Devil".)
- Doxa
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Come On
I do not understand how any man can get it to that PIB is a Rock song? ]
If a song rocks like hell, it is a rock song. I don't see it any less 'rocker' than, say, "Satisfaction", "Jumpin Jack Flash" or "Brown Sugar" is.
What actually is 'pop' in it? The Eastern melody line? Sitar? Charlie's drums which hit your face? The aggressive delivery of Jagger and its dark lyrics? (But, of course, rock is a form of pop music, so this is semantics...)
In my books it is one of the greatest rock songs ever written. A unique sounding rocker.
- Doxa
I was 12 years old when this aggressive delivery of Top List-song missed to hit my face. 1966 I were hit by 'Stupid Girl' and 'Zappa's and Creams stuff...wasn't Hendrix there also yelling about this aggressive Joe....
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Come On
I do not understand how any man can get it to that PIB is a Rock song? ]
If a song rocks like hell, it is a rock song. I don't see it any less 'rocker' than, say, "Satisfaction", "Jumpin Jack Flash" or "Brown Sugar" is.
What actually is 'pop' in it? The Eastern melody line? Sitar? Charlie's drums which hit your face? The aggressive delivery of Jagger and its dark lyrics? (But, of course, rock is a form of pop music, so this is semantics...)
In my books it is one of the greatest rock songs ever written. A unique sounding rocker.
- Doxa
I was 12 years old when this aggressive delivery of Top List-song missed to hit my face. 1966 I were hit by 'Stupid Girl' and 'Zappa's and Creams stuff...wasn't Hendrix there also yelling about this aggressive Joe....
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Big Al
Keith has stated the comma was a Decca's doing.
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Big Al
Keith has stated the comma was a Decca's doing.
Recently Andrew Oldham has claimed it was his idea, as a sly publicity move to get the song title noticed.
He had the band add "(I Can't Get No)" to the title of the song that was originally called simply "Satisfaction," to more explicitly broadcast its darker theme. He also added a seemingly random comma to the song title on the single for "Paint It Black"—making it "Paint It, Black." That was a sly publicity move, too.
"I think this is a throwback to my admiration for Saul Bass," said Oldham. "I just put a comma in there because I knew I would get calls from the record company saying, 'Are you sure about this? There's a comma there.' And that would make them notice us. If they're releasing 10 or 12 or 20 records a week, it would make them notice us."
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His Majesty
The pre Taylor stones was a different band.
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Silver Dagger
I think the use of commmas and brackets or parentheses in Stones songs merits its own thread. Let's not forget the mighty comma in Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing In The Shadows.
Once Loogie went, that was it for smart arse punctuation!
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Silver Dagger
I think the use of commmas and brackets or parentheses in Stones songs merits its own thread. Let's not forget the mighty comma in Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing In The Shadows.
Once Loogie went, that was it for smart arse punctuation!
OK, so whose going to start the thread? You or me?
IMO, Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby? doesn't read correctly without the comma. It'd be poor grammar without it.
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The correct use of commas would be a comma in front of, and after, baby - which I believe is the case here?
"Have You Seen Your Mother, Baby, Standing in the Shadow?"