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straycatuk
He's nothing like a jazz drummer. Just boring. Never been been able to listen to Cream's Toad all the way through. He doesn't swing at all. IMHO .
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24FPS
I found Ginger interesting as a rock drummer, but not the end all-be all. Cream might have been better overall as a unit than The Jimi Hendrix Experience, I can see that. He reminds me of my dad who couldn't acknowledge greatness in rock musicians, even though it's ridiculously evident. I can't even think of a jazz equivalent of the explosiveness of Keith Moon. Ginger Baker is lucky that Max Roach would even give him the time of day.
A lot of jazz guys seem to treasure musical facility over emotional accomplishment. You can noodle up and down the scales all f-ing day but it's just musical masturbation if nobody feels anything. In the Golden Years of the Rolling Stones, they did lock in and become something greater than its parts.
Ginger Baker is fascinating without being likeable. He seems like a miserable fart without the chops to confirm his prejudices.
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I found Ginger interesting as a rock drummer, but not the end all-be all. Cream might have been better overall as a unit than The Jimi Hendrix Experience, I can see that. He reminds me of my dad who couldn't acknowledge greatness in rock musicians, even though it's ridiculously evident. I can't even think of a jazz equivalent of the explosiveness of Keith Moon. Ginger Baker is lucky that Max Roach would even give him the time of day.
A lot of jazz guys seem to treasure musical facility over emotional accomplishment. You can noodle up and down the scales all f-ing day but it's just musical masturbation if nobody feels anything. In the Golden Years of the Rolling Stones, they did lock in and become something greater than its parts.
Ginger Baker is fascinating without being likeable. He seems like a miserable fart without the chops to confirm his prejudices.
you can think of a jazz drummer like keith moon? maybe buddy rich
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keefriffhard4life
keiths drumming is very clearly influenced by surf music
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keiths drumming is very clearly influenced by surf music
Please expand. I'm thinking of Young Man's Blues and I'm not hearing Jan and Dean.
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keiths drumming is very clearly influenced by surf music
Please expand. I'm thinking of Young Man's Blues and I'm not hearing Jan and Dean.
well young mans blues is a cover so its not going to have his full style. a lot of moons fills are very surf rock style like the song "wipeout". moon once said he would have left the who in a heartbeat to join the beach boys.
btw i think moon once said he patterned his wild style after gene krupa
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The Wick
He just sounds like one of the world's all time pricks. What I don't understand is how Mick in that world music article referred to this prick as Ginger was the first and Ginger this and Ginger that. He should let the prick whither away and fall apart in his jealous sociopathic rage.
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Title5Take1
A friend played me a jazz concert album with two brilliant, brilliant jazz guitarists (forget who), who played all these complicated songs with crazy chords and lightening solos. And then to get irreverent they played a simple three-chord R&B tune. And it was so bland, it was really terrible and dorky sounding. Despite all their skill, they could never play a simple "A" chord the WAY Keith can play an "A" chord to save their lives. That's why I love the Rolling Stones.
A lot of that had to do with the fact that Clapton played with hardly any distorion, whereas back in the late 60s the distortion was cranked right up.Quote
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A friend played me a jazz concert album with two brilliant, brilliant jazz guitarists (forget who), who played all these complicated songs with crazy chords and lightening solos. And then to get irreverent they played a simple three-chord R&B tune. And it was so bland, it was really terrible and dorky sounding. Despite all their skill, they could never play a simple "A" chord the WAY Keith can play an "A" chord to save their lives. That's why I love the Rolling Stones.
were they able to play "scarf me up" though?
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rollmops
I wonder if Baker is still fighting the londonian "Jazz-trad" vs "R&B/R&R" fight of the early 60's? Time to move on, Ginger (Pretty first name for a guy who likes to make fun of Jagger's effeminate behavior).
Rock and roll,
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rollmops
I wonder if Baker is still fighting the londonian "Jazz-trad" vs "R&B/R&R" fight of the early 60's?