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rollingon
When was the last time that the Stones really brought something new on the record or in the show?
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rollingon
When was the last time that the Stones really brought something new on the record or in the show?
The record: Steel Wheels
The tour: Steel Wheels / Urban Jungle
I think that after that they have been just repeating the same all over again,
especially live.
They have not been bad, they are very good at repeating the same routine.
But the song arrangements are always the same, the surprising factor is totally missing, and this is just sad, I don't know why (especially Jagger) they do everything (especially live) in such a over controlled way.
I can understand that they play the warhorses but why won't they bring new arrangements or new riffs/solos or new singing styles or something new to them, they just repeat exactly the same routine...
This thing just came so obvious to me as I listened to this video:
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RobertJohnson
The surprising factor was buried as the last gig was done in Leeds 1982. In my opinion the genuine Rolling Stones has ended then. On the tour 81/82 they played always different every gig the last time. After that Keith and Ronnie were either buried in the mix (89/90) or they minimalized the factor of improvisation more and more. Compare e.g. GS 72/73 or 75/76 to the rendition in Hyde Park (although this rendition was the best for years or decades). Never I thought that a song like GS could be boring but they managed it ...
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RobertJohnson
The surprising factor was buried as the last gig was done in Leeds 1982. In my opinion the genuine Rolling Stones ended then. On the tour 81/82 they played always different every gig the last time. After that Keith and Ronnie were either buried in the mix (89/90) or they minimalized the factor of improvisation more and more. Compare e.g. GS 72/73 or 75/76 to the rendition in Hyde Park (although this rendition was the best for years or decades). Never I thought that a song like GS could be boring but they managed it ...
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RobertJohnson
The surprising factor was buried as the last gig was done in Leeds 1982. In my opinion the genuine Rolling Stones has ended then. On the tour 81/82 they played always different every gig the last time. After that Keith and Ronnie were either buried in the mix (89/90) or they minimalized the factor of improvisation more and more. Compare e.g. GS 72/73 or 75/76 to the rendition in Hyde Park (although this rendition was the best for years or decades). Never I thought that a song like GS could be boring but they managed it ...
I've been listening to an enormous amount of bootlegs from this tour, and I don't think this is correct. After the first gigs, they pretty much found their template - even though some of the jam numbers could vary in time (Imagination, for instance).
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rollingon
When was the last time that the Stones really brought something new on the record or in the show?
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MGetzner
Imo, some wonderful surprises at the 2012/2013 tour:
- Mick Taylor for a couple of songs
- Great variation of songs such as 2000LYFH, Emotional rescue, and some excellent and surprising guests (though not all guests were good and added something)
- In their 70s, and they still are the best live band and blow all the youngsters off the stage
- Doom and gloom (yes, I think this is a good song, also when played live)
- the stage and the drummers' intros
- the somehow stripped down approach (fewer horns, fewer background vocals...), more rock and guitars
- the playing live of Keith and Ronnie (e.g. You got the silver)
- the singing and playing at the same time (Keith on BTMMR)
- Mick's singing still on top, including all ranges of his voice
- Charlie's drumming is amazing (listen to the Hyde Park concerts published recently)
- and, still, after all those years, their songs are milestones in R'n R history these songs do not age (which is also somehow a surprise, since these songs attract new generations of audience - consider at all those younger people at their concerts!)
- What is not surprising is that - in 2013 - you do not get the Stones of 1978 or 1973 or 1982, but this is Stones 2013 ... with all good (and probably not so good) things.
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stonehearted
Steel Wheels was released at a point in their lives when they were still--just barely--not too old to have hit records and could still viably compete for the status of being the number 1 rock band, there was still a sense of the current moment just as much as there was of the classic epoch. After this they became legends and set about to do as Pete Townshend implored them to in his Rock n Roll Hall of Fame induction speech: to not grow old gracefully. Suddenly, once they returned in the 90s, the hit singles stopped ascending, their albums seemed to mean less in terms of statements that might define the decade or even the year in which they were released--their album titles became something to name their megatours, which in themselves were still a viable medium around which to celebrate the storied history of rock n roll.
In 1983, David Gilmour was asked in a magazine interview (Guitar Heroes #9, May 1983) what he thought about a recent statement Peter Green had made about Jagger and Richards:
Interviewer: Peter Green said in a recent interview (Guitar Heroes, April 1983): " I think rock'n'roll is a joke invented by Mick Jagger and Keith Richards." What do you think of rock'n'roll?
David Gilmour: Well...(pause) it's a very very big subject. What I call rock'n'roll is any popular music or anything that we would call the music business over the past 20 years. It itself is not a joke, but an awful lot of it is a joke. You can see what he means about Mick Jagger and Keith Richards. That seems quite self-parody. But even he comes out with moments of brilliance once in a while.
Moments of brilliance.... that remains the surprise. If you want for The Stones to surprise you once again, think back to that time around 1989 and 1990 when they pleased you with Steel Wheels and satisfied or exceeded your expectations in performance on that tour, think back to your state of mind then....now from your 1990 mind set look ahead to the impossibly far-off year of 2013, if you can, a year, a decade you never even dreamed of contemplating back then because it seemed so distant, so sci-fi a concept that surely by then automobiles would look like flying saucers and everyday life would in fact resemble a Jetsons cartoon come to life....then imagine that someone just walks in from 2013 to tell you that The Stones would in fact still be performing, with one less member perhaps, but their original drummer could still bash out a credible rhythm for All Down The Line and Mick Jagger would still have a 28-inch waist and that Mick Taylor would rejoin them for occasionally brilliant renditions of Can't You Hear Me Knocking....
....Well, 1990 man, would you not be surprised?.... I know, you don't have to tell me, I can see the jaw of your mullet-framed face beginning to drop.... you would be speechless....
Moments of brilliance, like the man said, continue to surprise, and even amaze, from time to time.
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The surprising factor was buried as the last gig was done in Leeds 1982. In my opinion the genuine Rolling Stones has ended then. On the tour 81/82 they played always different every gig the last time. After that Keith and Ronnie were either buried in the mix (89/90) or they minimalized the factor of improvisation more and more. Compare e.g. GS 72/73 or 75/76 to the rendition in Hyde Park (although this rendition was the best for years or decades). Never I thought that a song like GS could be boring but they managed it ...
I've been listening to an enormous amount of bootlegs from this tour, and I don't think this is correct. After the first gigs, they pretty much found their template - even though some of the jam numbers could vary in time (Imagination, for instance).
The truth is that almost every song was a jam number on this tour ...
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RobertJohnson
The surprising factor was buried as the last gig was done in Leeds 1982. In my opinion the genuine Rolling Stones has ended then. On the tour 81/82 they played always different every gig the last time. After that Keith and Ronnie were either buried in the mix (89/90) or they minimalized the factor of improvisation more and more. Compare e.g. GS 72/73 or 75/76 to the rendition in Hyde Park (although this rendition was the best for years or decades). Never I thought that a song like GS could be boring but they managed it ...
I've been listening to an enormous amount of bootlegs from this tour, and I don't think this is correct. After the first gigs, they pretty much found their template - even though some of the jam numbers could vary in time (Imagination, for instance).
The truth is that almost every song was a jam number on this tour ...
I just love that jam feeling for example in the Live at Leeds '82, I have listened it so many times but I just can't get bored with it, I don't even understand myself how can I listen to it over and over again.
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HopeYouGuessMyName
I saw the Rolling Stones for the first time in 1975.
I was nearly 18 years old at the time.
The concert was terrific.
I saw the Rolling Stones most recently in 2013.
I am nearly 56 years old.
The concert was terrific.
THIS IS ALL VERY SURPRISING.
And that the Rolling Stones are still amazing - that's extraordinary!
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windmelody
The last time they did something new was the 1997-1999 tour. They promoted a new album and the b-stage worked well.
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24FPS
All you need to know about the current tour is that the highlights were one, Bill Wyman even showing up, and whatever they would let Mick Taylor do. They're too old to bother to change things and do different tempos and stretch themselves out. For god's sake Keith is just trying to remember what Keith used to be able to play. The sound that rocked the world has been tamed. It's only natural. Now their audience is kids who've never seen them, and old people who want to weep and Remember When?
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DandelionPowderman
JJF?