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ryanpow
It's a classic. I also like The Ramones' cover.
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His Majesty
Assuming Brian came up with the marimba part motif he should, in an ideal world, have got some kind of reward for it's appropriation on Farlowe's version. Same with vibraphone motif on Yesterday's Papers which was used on a single after.
This is where song writing/arrangment credits can get a bit silly.
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DandelionPowderman
<In my book it belongs to the highlight section of that album (with "Mother's Little Helper", "Lady Jane" and "Under My Thumb)>
All great songs, imo, OOT as well.
But what about I Am Waiting and High And Dry? Probably my two favourites on the album.
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Deluxtone
What is naff about I am Waiting is in the vocal part
where Mick sings 'I am waiting' and then someone chimes in 'Ting'!
Aftermath UK is where the Stones try and go 'arty' - and for me it doesn't 'wash'.
They can't fool me that they are an arty, sophoisticated group, no matter how many interesting instruments they add.
Prefer Raunch and guts tempered with some honest folk and blues.
Bring on Beggars - via Buttons and Satanics.
But Aftermath an essential (though occasionally embarassing imo) starting point.
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DandelionPowderman
Why is Buttons more real when it comes to folk and blues - it's not. Not the original UK version, at least.
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Why is Buttons more real when it comes to folk and blues - it's not. Not the original UK version, at least.
I agree here. Like noted in recent AFTERMATH thread, there is still direct references to their early 'rhythm and blues' essence, the things we don't any longer hear in BETWEEN AND THE BUTTONS and SATANIC MAJESTIES ("Doncha Bother Me", the jam of "Goin' Home", "Flight 505"). The folkie "High And Dry" actually is much closer to BEGGARS BANQUET in spirit than to BUTTONS or MAJESTIC. Is about the only clearly 'bluesy' thing in BUTTONS the bo-diddley-rhythmn guitar of "Please Go Home"?
- Doxa
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Why is Buttons more real when it comes to folk and blues - it's not. Not the original UK version, at least.
I agree here. Like noted in recent AFTERMATH thread, there is still direct references to their early 'rhythm and blues' essence, the things we don't any longer hear in BETWEEN AND THE BUTTONS and SATANIC MAJESTIES ("Doncha Bother Me", the jam of "Goin' Home", "Flight 505"). The folkie "High And Dry" actually is much closer to BEGGARS BANQUET in spirit than to BUTTONS or MAJESTIC. Is about the only clearly 'bluesy' thing in BUTTONS the bo-diddley-rhythmn guitar of "Please Go Home"?
- Doxa
Miss Amanda Jones at least has some of that r&b/Berry feel.
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Deluxtone
What is naff about I am Waiting is in the vocal part
where Mick sings 'I am waiting' and then someone chimes in 'Ting'!
Aftermath UK is where the Stones try and go 'arty' - and for me it doesn't 'wash'.
They can't fool me that they are an arty, sophoisticated group, no matter how many interesting instruments they add.
Prefer Raunch and guts tempered with some honest folk and blues.
Bring on Beggars - via Buttons and Satanics.
But Aftermath an essential (though occasionally embarassing imo) starting point.
Why is Buttons more real when it comes to folk and blues - it's not. Not the original UK version, at least.
I Am Waiting is a beautiful song: beautifully written, arranged and performed.
High And Dry surely is a real folk/country tune.
Both songs have hooks and great choruses, but I agree with Doxa that they come across a bit "boy-ish". Not bad for some 22 year olds, though.
I am Waiting has a little caribbean sound to it. As noted by Silver Dagger, High And Dry is a little "Appalachian-sounding".
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Deluxtone
What is naff about I am Waiting is in the vocal part
where Mick sings 'I am waiting' and then someone chimes in 'Ting'!
Aftermath UK is where the Stones try and go 'arty' - and for me it doesn't 'wash'.
They can't fool me that they are an arty, sophoisticated group, no matter how many interesting instruments they add.
Prefer Raunch and guts tempered with some honest folk and blues.
Bring on Beggars - via Buttons and Satanics.
But Aftermath an essential (though occasionally embarassing imo) starting point.
Why is Buttons more real when it comes to folk and blues - it's not. Not the original UK version, at least.
I Am Waiting is a beautiful song: beautifully written, arranged and performed.
High And Dry surely is a real folk/country tune.
Both songs have hooks and great choruses, but I agree with Doxa that they come across a bit "boy-ish". Not bad for some 22 year olds, though.
I am Waiting has a little caribbean sound to it. As noted by Silver Dagger, High And Dry is a little "Appalachian-sounding".
Dear DP,
I didn't say that Buttons was more real than A'math with respect to folk and blues, I said that Beggars was.
I said that Beggars evolved via Buttons and Satanics.
British Buttons has MAJ and Connection and the brilliant Back Street Girl, (Parisienne). And it has Please Go Home. Yeah Baby, we're SWINGING!
It's not personal DP.
I agree about the hooks and choruses, but there are some iffy moments on A'math UK. What To Do - the backing vocals of Bow Bow Bow! Cringe.
There were great tracks for the choosing - e.g.Ride On Baby, Sitting on a Proverbial Fence
We can argue the toss as to which would be or is a better A'math. But thing is they'd started to get the album-writing art/act together.
From 1965 to 1968 J&R had mastered the album/song-writing art. 3 years. Ages 22 to 25.
Beatles likewise. 1963 to 1966. macca and Lennon aged 23-26. And they had a Harrison and Starky to help.
hats off to Jagger Richards. Big shame they wouldn't accommodate Jones - but he got big look-in soundwise along the way. But three was a crowd on the Jagger/Richards cloud
Hmmm ... this was an Out Of Time thread and not an A'math or Beatles versus Stones one!
To make amends - i don't have the albums to hand - is Flowers OOT the same as the one on Metamorphosis? And does anyone else agree that it's Keith on bass on that (those) version(s)/ Bass is noticeably different between Amath and Flowers version. Possibly he started his 'career' on bass here?
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DandelionPowderman
No, the Flowers-version is an edited (shorter) version of the OOT Aftermath-version.
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No, the Flowers-version is an edited (shorter) version of the OOT Aftermath-version.
Is it also mixed differently? I get to know "Out of Time" via AFTERMATH, and when I finally got FLOWERS (needed "Sittin' On A Fence" and "Ride On Baby", of course), to my ears that version sounded rather odd (same with "Mother's Little Helper"). More bass and somehow 'muddy' whereas the AFTERMATH 'originals' were so airy and crystal clear. I ended up skipping them, since I preferred the sonically better ones (so I haven't listen them much - can't even recall when I have listened FLOWERS last time...)
- Doxa
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Anyway, I would say that the 'original' UK AFTERMATH version of "Out of Time" has aged best, compared both to 'heavier' FLOWERS version, and the Farlowe/METAMOPRPHOSIS version. There is still that charm in those dedicated little nuances, and the amount of fresh open air it has.
- Doxa
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howled
There are the Marimba and Strings version.
The Strings version has a more filled in chorus whereas Mick leaves a gap in the Marimba version and the Strings version has a better Spanish Guitar run.
The Strings version is Mick singing over Chris Farlowe's backing track, which is pretty strange.
Aha! So this is what happened.
"This version was, in fact, the backing track from the Chris Farlowe version, only with a Mick Jagger lead vocal, recorded in London in April 1966 as a demo for Farlowe."
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Deluxtone
What is naff about I am Waiting is in the vocal part
where Mick sings 'I am waiting' and then someone chimes in 'Ting'!
Aftermath UK is where the Stones try and go 'arty' - and for me it doesn't 'wash'.
They can't fool me that they are an arty, sophoisticated group, no matter how many interesting instruments they add.
Prefer Raunch and guts tempered with some honest folk and blues.
Bring on Beggars - via Buttons and Satanics.
But Aftermath an essential (though occasionally embarassing imo) starting point.
Why is Buttons more real when it comes to folk and blues - it's not. Not the original UK version, at least.
I Am Waiting is a beautiful song: beautifully written, arranged and performed.
High And Dry surely is a real folk/country tune.
Both songs have hooks and great choruses, but I agree with Doxa that they come across a bit "boy-ish". Not bad for some 22 year olds, though.
I am Waiting has a little caribbean sound to it. As noted by Silver Dagger, High And Dry is a little "Appalachian-sounding".
Dear DP,
I didn't say that Buttons was more real than A'math with respect to folk and blues, I said that Beggars was.
I said that Beggars evolved via Buttons and Satanics.
British Buttons has MAJ and Connection and the brilliant Back Street Girl, (Parisienne). And it has Please Go Home. Yeah Baby, we're SWINGING!
It's not personal DP.
I agree about the hooks and choruses, but there are some iffy moments on A'math UK. What To Do - the backing vocals of Bow Bow Bow! Cringe.
There were great tracks for the choosing - e.g.Ride On Baby, Sitting on a Proverbial Fence
We can argue the toss as to which would be or is a better A'math. But thing is they'd started to get the album-writing art/act together.
From 1965 to 1968 J&R had mastered the album/song-writing art. 3 years. Ages 22 to 25.
Beatles likewise. 1963 to 1966. macca and Lennon aged 23-26. And they had a Harrison and Starky to help.
hats off to Jagger Richards. Big shame they wouldn't accommodate Jones - but he got big look-in soundwise along the way. But three was a crowd on the Jagger/Richards cloud
Hmmm ... this was an Out Of Time thread and not an A'math or Beatles versus Stones one!
To make amends - i don't have the albums to hand - is Flowers OOT the same as the one on Metamorphosis? And does anyone else agree that it's Keith on bass on that (those) version(s)/ Bass is noticeably different between Amath and Flowers version. Possibly he started his 'career' on bass here?
Not taken as personal, not at all
It was the words "via Buttons" that lead me to the conclusion that you thought Buttons (and Satanic) was a natural step to more "real" folk and blues.
To me, Buttons was a sidestep into "Kinks-land", much in line with the times in London, of course.
However, there are stuff on Buttons (All Sold Out, Connection and Miss Amanda Jones) and Satanic (Citadel and parts of 2000 Man) that hinted on what to come prior to (Child Of The Moon) and on BB, but even more on its successor, Let It Bleed - when they went down the rock route.
is Flowers OOT the same as the one on Metamorphosis?
No, the Flowers-version is an edited (shorter) version of the OOT Aftermath-version.