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YEAH Picked up both the other day .... Sound good ... can't wait for the others...
ROCKMAN
I've only listened to the SACD's made from the same source and they sound excellent. My bet is the new SHM-CD's will be the best versions on CD for the concerned Stones albums...
It could not possibly sound worse!
Had I known there was the longer version of Slave on the '94 Virgin rerelease I would have bought it.
How do they do that and not tell us?
By now I expect a phone call.
It will be available at JPC in Germany too, if somebody wants to save shipping costs along with the japanese Editions of 'Sweet Summer Sun' or Exile on Blu-ray Audio.
They are the best versions on CD if you like flat mastering (no additional EQ, no compression).
So, can we hear any more detail. Is the bass punchier. Do the guitars ring out. Does the mix sound less cluttered and muddy? That's what I'm wanting to hear?
Did I quote the wrong message ?
Yes you can hear more detail, the acoustic guitars sound more natural, there's more depth, more clarity. But, because it's a flat transfer, you may find the sound a bit dry if you're used to the remasters. It's the original recordings sound without any fancy remastering trick on it.
It should be included eventually as it was part of the SHM-SAC reissues. All albums from SF to DW were reissued - including live albums.
The SHM-CD was released in 2010 : [www.cdjapan.co.jp]
...along with all 60's albums.
But the release is not "platinum". Bummer.
I wouldn't care too much about this. SHM-CD's are already supposed to be an improvement over regular CD's. Plus platinum SHM-CD's won't play on older CD player...
Thanks. Sorry, been a busy day here in the UK.
You Can't Always Get What You Want.
Yes, they were the best... until these "DSD transfers from original master tapes" that are used for the new SHM-CD's.
I have many CD players. All of them could play them.
plus even PC player and blu-ray player could play them.
To my surprise this Platinum SHM series have good sound quality.
Especially, Stevie Wonder's Talking Book and Dire Straits were big surprise.
Although sounds become juicy and bright on Exile On Main Street, I feel somewhat uncomfortable.
Toru-san
I've read on the CDJapan website that platinum CD's can't be read on CD players that can't read CD-R. That's the case of my old CD player (a Technics player from the 90's...).
I think that what makes these new SHM-CD's sound so good is in the first place the sources used, ie original masters left untouched (if we believe the descriptions).
I've noticed on the SACD versions that some Stones titles sound a bit bright. Particularly Sticky Fingers and Exile. But sound clarity is quite amazing.
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Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: September 27, 2013 01:13
Both Exile On Main Street and Tattoo You have been released on SHM-CD in Japan.
They use the 2011 flat transfers from original master tapes which were previously used for the SHM-SACD releases.
TY : [www.cdjapan.co.jp]
EOMS : [www.cdjapan.co.jp]
Description from CDJapan :
Features the high-fidelity SHM-CD format (compatible with standard CD player) and the mastering that is used for its Platinum SHM-CD edition.
Features HR (High Resolution) cutting. Mini LP with obi replica. Comes with lyrics and a description. HR cutting from the DSD master which was flat transferred from UK original analogue master tapes in 2011.
Sticky Fingers and Some Girls will be released on October 30, and Black And Blue and Goats Head Soup on November 27.
[www.cdjapan.co.jp]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-09-27 01:15 by kowalski.
They use the 2011 flat transfers from original master tapes which were previously used for the SHM-SACD releases.
TY : [www.cdjapan.co.jp]
EOMS : [www.cdjapan.co.jp]
Description from CDJapan :
Features the high-fidelity SHM-CD format (compatible with standard CD player) and the mastering that is used for its Platinum SHM-CD edition.
Features HR (High Resolution) cutting. Mini LP with obi replica. Comes with lyrics and a description. HR cutting from the DSD master which was flat transferred from UK original analogue master tapes in 2011.
Sticky Fingers and Some Girls will be released on October 30, and Black And Blue and Goats Head Soup on November 27.
[www.cdjapan.co.jp]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-09-27 01:15 by kowalski.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: September 27, 2013 01:40
YEAH Picked up both the other day .... Sound good ... can't wait for the others...
ROCKMAN
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
MILKYWAY
()
Date: September 27, 2013 01:44
But does it sound better than, say, the CD that came out with the SUPER-DELUXE EXILE ON MAIN ST set that came out a couple years back?
EDITED FOR SPECIFICITY AND SPELLING.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2013-09-27 01:48 by MILKYWAY.
EDITED FOR SPECIFICITY AND SPELLING.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2013-09-27 01:48 by MILKYWAY.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: September 27, 2013 01:47
Quote
MILKYWAY
But how does it sound?
I've only listened to the SACD's made from the same source and they sound excellent. My bet is the new SHM-CD's will be the best versions on CD for the concerned Stones albums...
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
MILKYWAY
()
Date: September 27, 2013 01:53
It looks great. Even if there was no big improvement, I would still buy this. Anything "new" from the Stones from the early 1970s is almost an automatic purchase for me.
EDIT: Thank you for posting those photos, Rockman.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-09-27 01:55 by MILKYWAY.
EDIT: Thank you for posting those photos, Rockman.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-09-27 01:55 by MILKYWAY.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
tklawson
()
Date: September 27, 2013 01:56
Quote
MILKYWAY
But does it sound better than, say, the CD that came out with the SUPER-DELUXE EXILE ON MAIN ST set that came out a couple years back?
EDITED FOR SPECIFICITY AND SPELLING.
It could not possibly sound worse!
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: September 27, 2013 01:57
You can listen to audio samples in CDJapan web site. Not great audio quality but it might give you an idea of how it sounds...
What I like the most about these new transfers is the sound clarity. You don't get the muffled sound like the 1994 remasters or the squashed sound like the 2009 remasters ...
What I like the most about these new transfers is the sound clarity. You don't get the muffled sound like the 1994 remasters or the squashed sound like the 2009 remasters ...
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: September 27, 2013 07:50
A part of me is tingly with the thought of Tattoo You in utterly pristine form, and a part of me is like..."oh my gawd, how many times am I going to buy this same music again?".
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: September 27, 2013 08:10
the thought of Tattoo You in utterly pristine form
Has the 4.55 Slave not the longer 6.32 version that came out on Virgin back in '94
ROCKMAN
Has the 4.55 Slave not the longer 6.32 version that came out on Virgin back in '94
ROCKMAN
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: September 27, 2013 08:21
Quote
Rockman
the thought of Tattoo You in utterly pristine form
Has the 4.55 Slave not the longer 6.32 version that came out on Virgin back in '94
Had I known there was the longer version of Slave on the '94 Virgin rerelease I would have bought it.
How do they do that and not tell us?
By now I expect a phone call.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
Irix
()
Date: September 27, 2013 11:00
Quote
kowalski
Sticky Fingers and Some Girls will be released on October 30, and Black And Blue and Goats Head Soup on November 27.
It will be available at JPC in Germany too, if somebody wants to save shipping costs along with the japanese Editions of 'Sweet Summer Sun' or Exile on Blu-ray Audio.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: September 27, 2013 11:38
I want to hear that it is the best version yet to appear on CD. Can someone confirm that before I buy my 4th CD of this album.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: September 27, 2013 12:10
Bring on the Bluray!
I'm tired of CD format, I have no use for it as I have no use for my Walkman or my Rubik's Cube
Let's get out of the 80's and enter the 21th century, goddamn it!
I'm tired of CD format, I have no use for it as I have no use for my Walkman or my Rubik's Cube
Let's get out of the 80's and enter the 21th century, goddamn it!
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: September 27, 2013 14:07
Quote
dcba
Bring on the Bluray!
I'm tired of CD format, I have no use for it as I have no use for my Walkman or my Rubik's Cube
Let's get out of the 80's and enter the 21th century, goddamn it!
They are the best versions on CD if you like flat mastering (no additional EQ, no compression).
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: September 27, 2013 14:26
Quote
kowalskiQuote
dcba
Bring on the Bluray!
I'm tired of CD format, I have no use for it as I have no use for my Walkman or my Rubik's Cube
Let's get out of the 80's and enter the 21th century, goddamn it!
They are the best versions on CD if you like flat mastering (no additional EQ, no compression).
So, can we hear any more detail. Is the bass punchier. Do the guitars ring out. Does the mix sound less cluttered and muddy? That's what I'm wanting to hear?
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: September 27, 2013 15:24
Quote
Silver DaggerQuote
kowalskiQuote
dcba
Bring on the Bluray!
I'm tired of CD format, I have no use for it as I have no use for my Walkman or my Rubik's Cube
Let's get out of the 80's and enter the 21th century, goddamn it!
They are the best versions on CD if you like flat mastering (no additional EQ, no compression).
So, can we hear any more detail. Is the bass punchier. Do the guitars ring out. Does the mix sound less cluttered and muddy? That's what I'm wanting to hear?
Did I quote the wrong message ?
Yes you can hear more detail, the acoustic guitars sound more natural, there's more depth, more clarity. But, because it's a flat transfer, you may find the sound a bit dry if you're used to the remasters. It's the original recordings sound without any fancy remastering trick on it.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: September 27, 2013 16:12
What? No Dirty Work? That's the one that needs some redoing
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: September 27, 2013 16:30
Quote
Munichhilton
What? No Dirty Work? That's the one that needs some redoing
It should be included eventually as it was part of the SHM-SAC reissues. All albums from SF to DW were reissued - including live albums.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
Toru A
()
Date: September 27, 2013 16:38
I'd rather have this one.
Never Mind The Bollocks [Cardboard Sleeve (mini LP)] [SHM-SACD] [Limited Release]
Never Mind The Bollocks [Cardboard Sleeve (mini LP)] [SHM-SACD] [Limited Release]
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
misterfrias
()
Date: September 27, 2013 17:52
No "Ya-Ya's"?
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: September 27, 2013 23:23
Quote
misterfrias
No "Ya-Ya's"?
The SHM-CD was released in 2010 : [www.cdjapan.co.jp]
...along with all 60's albums.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
misterfrias
()
Date: September 27, 2013 23:31
Quote
kowalskiQuote
misterfrias
No "Ya-Ya's"?
The SHM-CD was released in 2010 : [www.cdjapan.co.jp]
...along with all 60's albums.
But the release is not "platinum". Bummer.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: September 28, 2013 00:00
Quote
misterfriasQuote
kowalskiQuote
misterfrias
No "Ya-Ya's"?
The SHM-CD was released in 2010 : [www.cdjapan.co.jp]
...along with all 60's albums.
But the release is not "platinum". Bummer.
I wouldn't care too much about this. SHM-CD's are already supposed to be an improvement over regular CD's. Plus platinum SHM-CD's won't play on older CD player...
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: September 28, 2013 00:01
Quote
kowalskiQuote
Silver DaggerQuote
kowalskiQuote
dcba
Bring on the Bluray!
I'm tired of CD format, I have no use for it as I have no use for my Walkman or my Rubik's Cube
Let's get out of the 80's and enter the 21th century, goddamn it!
They are the best versions on CD if you like flat mastering (no additional EQ, no compression).
So, can we hear any more detail. Is the bass punchier. Do the guitars ring out. Does the mix sound less cluttered and muddy? That's what I'm wanting to hear?
Did I quote the wrong message ?
Yes you can hear more detail, the acoustic guitars sound more natural, there's more depth, more clarity. But, because it's a flat transfer, you may find the sound a bit dry if you're used to the remasters. It's the original recordings sound without any fancy remastering trick on it.
Thanks. Sorry, been a busy day here in the UK.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
palerider22
()
Date: September 28, 2013 00:55
I've been thinking of delving into shm-cd's for over a year now and have read dozens of threads on the matter of their quality. Opinions range from total scam to "they sound a bit better" 
...Not one comment convinced me they are worth the money. It seems to boil down to this...they are just over-priced, but nicely packaged sacd's. If an album wasn't previously released in sacd format you're just getting a remastered regular cd. Also, apparently it's the hardware that makes the 'sound' better, not what the cd is made of. They might be collectable some day? Nahh...I'll save my money for original items...
...Not one comment convinced me they are worth the money. It seems to boil down to this...they are just over-priced, but nicely packaged sacd's. If an album wasn't previously released in sacd format you're just getting a remastered regular cd. Also, apparently it's the hardware that makes the 'sound' better, not what the cd is made of. They might be collectable some day? Nahh...I'll save my money for original items...Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
MILKYWAY
()
Date: September 28, 2013 01:34
Quote
misterfriasQuote
kowalskiQuote
misterfrias
No "Ya-Ya's"?
The SHM-CD was released in 2010 : [www.cdjapan.co.jp]
...along with all 60's albums.
But the release is not "platinum". Bummer.
You Can't Always Get What You Want.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
ironbelly
()
Date: September 28, 2013 01:49
Nothing can beat those CDs MASTERED BY DADC AUSTRIA. You know, with Nice Price booklet, boxes with red trays...
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: September 28, 2013 02:50
Quote
ironbelly
Nothing can beat those CDs MASTERED BY DADC AUSTRIA. You know, with Nice Price booklet, boxes with red trays...
Yes, they were the best... until these "DSD transfers from original master tapes" that are used for the new SHM-CD's.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
Toru A
()
Date: September 28, 2013 02:54
kowalski san,Quote
kowalskiQuote
misterfriasQuote
kowalskiQuote
misterfrias
No "Ya-Ya's"?
The SHM-CD was released in 2010 : [www.cdjapan.co.jp]
...along with all 60's albums.
But the release is not "platinum". Bummer.
I wouldn't care too much about this. SHM-CD's are already supposed to be an improvement over regular CD's. Plus platinum SHM-CD's won't play on older CD player...
I have many CD players. All of them could play them.
plus even PC player and blu-ray player could play them.
To my surprise this Platinum SHM series have good sound quality.
Especially, Stevie Wonder's Talking Book and Dire Straits were big surprise.
Although sounds become juicy and bright on Exile On Main Street, I feel somewhat uncomfortable.
Re: Exile On Main Street & Tattoo You New SHM-CD
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: September 28, 2013 03:14
Quote
Toru Akowalski san,Quote
kowalskiQuote
misterfriasQuote
kowalskiQuote
misterfrias
No "Ya-Ya's"?
The SHM-CD was released in 2010 : [www.cdjapan.co.jp]
...along with all 60's albums.
But the release is not "platinum". Bummer.
I wouldn't care too much about this. SHM-CD's are already supposed to be an improvement over regular CD's. Plus platinum SHM-CD's won't play on older CD player...
I have many CD players. All of them could play them.
plus even PC player and blu-ray player could play them.
To my surprise this Platinum SHM series have good sound quality.
Especially, Stevie Wonder's Talking Book and Dire Straits were big surprise.
Although sounds become juicy and bright on Exile On Main Street, I feel somewhat uncomfortable.
Toru-san
I've read on the CDJapan website that platinum CD's can't be read on CD players that can't read CD-R. That's the case of my old CD player (a Technics player from the 90's...).
I think that what makes these new SHM-CD's sound so good is in the first place the sources used, ie original masters left untouched (if we believe the descriptions).
I've noticed on the SACD versions that some Stones titles sound a bit bright. Particularly Sticky Fingers and Exile. But sound clarity is quite amazing.
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