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Gonna have to work on a playlist of songs whose titles are never sung.

Genuinely interesting idea. When you've thought it through, take it to a fresh thread and let's keep this one to the "Beatles vs Stones" subject please. And while you're at it, remember to mark it as OT:

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Gonna have to work on a playlist of songs whose titles are never sung.

Genuinely interesting idea. When you've thought it through, take it to a fresh thread and let's keep this one to the "Beatles vs Stones" subject please. And while you're at it, remember to mark it as OT:

It will only be Stones songs.

The Beatles have a few but very likely way less than the Stones.

Relaunch of The Beatles' Capitol Albums on LP is coming

Meet The Beatles! | The Beatles
The Beatles’ Second Album | The Beatles
A Hard Day’s Night | The Beatles
Something New | The Beatles
Beatles ’65 | The Beatles
The Early Beatles | The Beatles
- The Beatles' Story -Box-set Exclusive-

MASTERING NOTES

These albums were cut for vinyl from the original master tapes using a completely analog signal path and with constant reference to first generation pressings of the original albums. They were made using a Studer A80 master recorder with analog preview & program paths, and an Neumann VMS70 cutting lathe originally installed in Capitol Studios in 1971. This specific all-analog cutting technique allows faithful representation of the full musical range and dynamics present on the original tapes.



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'The Beatles: 1964 U.S. Albums In Mono' - 22-Nov-2024 - [www.TheBeatles.com] , [SuperDeluxeEdition.com] :





"Originally compiled for U.S. release between January 1964 and March 1965 by Capitol Records and United Artists, seven Beatles albums have been analog cut for 180-gram audiophile vinyl from their original mono master tapes for global release on November 22 by Apple Corps Ltd./Capitol/UMe. Out of print on vinyl since 1995, the seven mono albums are available now for preorder in a new eight-LP box set titled The Beatles: 1964 U.S. Albums In Mono, with six of the titles also available individually. All albums feature faithfully replicated artwork and new four-panel inserts with essays written by American Beatles historian and author Bruce Spizer. The albums’ new vinyl lacquers were cut by Kevin Reeves at Nashville’s East Iris Studios. The box set collects the seven albums, and all except The Beatles’ Story are also available individually".



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Every time I think the Beatles have nothing else left to mine from the vaults lol.

John Lennon & Yoko Ono co-hosted 'The Mike Douglas Show' for a week in February 1972:



BluRay & DVD - 26-Nov-2024 - [KinoLorber.com] .

Good news on the John Lennon video. Can't wait to see if they improved the Chuck Berry performance.

Too bad there isn’t a Rolling Stones Bible like the Beatles Bible website.It has all the Beatles songs anfgives extensive details as to the dates, times , placesand musicians of every session.It also has comments by the Beatles themselves on the songs.

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Too bad there isn’t a Rolling Stones Bible like the Beatles Bible website.It has all the Beatles songs anfgives extensive details as to the dates, times , placesand musicians of every session.It also has comments by the Beatles themselves on the songs.

well there's this

www.nzentgraf.de

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'The Beatles: 1964 U.S. Albums In Mono' - 22-Nov-2024 - [www.TheBeatles.com] , [SuperDeluxeEdition.com] :





"Originally compiled for U.S. release between January 1964 and March 1965 by Capitol Records and United Artists, seven Beatles albums have been analog cut for 180-gram audiophile vinyl from their original mono master tapes for global release on November 22 by Apple Corps Ltd./Capitol/UMe. Out of print on vinyl since 1995, the seven mono albums are available now for preorder in a new eight-LP box set titled The Beatles: 1964 U.S. Albums In Mono, with six of the titles also available individually. All albums feature faithfully replicated artwork and new four-panel inserts with essays written by American Beatles historian and author Bruce Spizer. The albums’ new vinyl lacquers were cut by Kevin Reeves at Nashville’s East Iris Studios. The box set collects the seven albums, and all except The Beatles’ Story are also available individually".

These vinyl seem to be missing a lot of colour.

The set looks interesting. The all analog and original artwork in mint condition are tempting. But the more I think about it I think I would buy one or two titles. I don't need "the story" record. They could of excited me by including something more interesting like a concert or out-takes. Heck even a etched Apple on one side, lol.

I wish they could round up all Stones original analogue masters which survive in decent nick and have them mastered to vinyl by somebody who knows what they're doing.

'Meet the Beatles!' - exclusive Blue Vinyl - [www.Target.com] , [HMV.com] , [www.Fnac.com] , [www.jpc.de] .



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Nowhere as detailed as Beatles Bible.Beatles Bible gives you way more detailed information of the songs including the number of takes, etc..

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Nowhere as detailed as Beatles Bible.

Stones-wise, there're beside [NZentgraf.de] also [Aeppli.ch] , [StonesSessions.com] or [TimeIsOnOurSide.com] .

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These vinyl seem to be missing a lot of colour.

'Meet the Beatles!' - exclusive Blue Vinyl - [www.Target.com] , [HMV.com] , [www.Fnac.com] , [www.jpc.de] .

Ha ha...was there any doubt?! Well - I guess I had a moment of doubt and faith there for a second!

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Nowhere as detailed as Beatles Bible.

Stones-wise, there're beside [NZentgraf.de] also [Aeppli.ch] , [StonesSessions.com] or [TimeIsOnOurSide.com] .

yes us stones fans have to do a little more work find detailed information

also

www.dbboots.com

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I wish they could round up all Stones original analogue masters which survive in decent nick and have them mastered to vinyl by somebody who knows what they're doing.

Didn't ABKCO do that 2 years ago?

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Didn't ABKCO do that 2 years ago?

The Mono-Box and the Studio Albums Vinyl Collection 1971-2016 have digital sources, not all-analogue cutting.

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Didn't ABKCO do that 2 years ago?

The Mono-Box and the Studio Albums Vinyl Collection 1971-2016 have digital sources, not all-analogue cutting.

but they're damn good digitals. Especially the mono box.

This looks interesting and cool.It'll definitely take some of us back to those days. I know this might end up being slotted into the Beatles thread here, but, IMHO, it's its own thing separate from the Beatles and deserves a spot.

[bestclassicbands.com]

'Daytime Revolution' - [iorr.org] - contains also the John Lennon / Chuck Berry duet:



'Memphis, Tennessee' (Feb. 16th, 1972) - [KinoLorber.com] .



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Didn't ABKCO do that 2 years ago?

The Mono-Box and the Studio Albums Vinyl Collection 1971-2016 have digital sources, not all-analogue cutting.

but they're damn good digitals. Especially the mono box.

Neither ABKCO nor Universal seem willing to let anybodyget their mits on the precious original masters, which is understandable.

That said . It should be done.

Some of the stones original analogue masters probably survive in great serviceable condition. Others possibly not...

...but analogue masters to vinyl and new flat digital transfers from those tapes need to be done whilst the tapes remain in serviceable nick.

This because when musical information is lost, whether due to analogue tape degradation or to digital technology that wasn't as good as it is today, it's lost forever !

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This because when musical information is lost, whether due to analogue tape degradation or to digital technology that wasn't as good as it is today, it's lost forever !

It's not completely lost as there're 2nd generation tapes (and lower). Teri Landi (ABKCO Chief Audio Engineer) talked about tape generations for the 2016 Mono-Box in the review on [TheAudiophileMan.com] . Since Stones records were pressed on Vinyl in many countries worldwide, there must also be tape copies for manufacturing. Then ABKCO and Universal Music archived the Stones tapes in Direct Stream Digital (DSD) which is sound-wise a very good format. MFSL/MoFi also uses DSD 256 (from original master recordings) for the manufacturing of their UltraDiscs. And with new digital technologies, the sound quality can be significantly improved, as it was e.g. done by Giles Martin with the late Beatles albums.

I get all that , but without wanting to get all philosophical or luddite about it...

..I don't want to listen to the audio equivalent of CGI.

The sound on the analogue master tapes is, for all its flaws, colourations and distortions , a real electro-mechanical transduction of the air moving in that studio when the recording was made.

Digital destroys all that by converting it to numbers and then back again.

These days the results are often superb sonically ...but still often just don't sound "right".

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Digital destroys all that by converting it to numbers and then back again.

Not sure about that in case of DSD, the most analogue sounding of all digital formats. The MFSL/MoFi UltraDiscs or the Stones SACDs or the DSD-files of the 2016 Mono-Box do not sound "right" ?

I suspect that digital recording may now be good enough for our ears and brains to experience and enjoy the music as we should...but that wasn't always the case.

Remember when CD was commercially launched in the 80s with claims of "pure perfect sound forever" it sounded bloody atrocious !

Things have come a long way since then...but to this day, the recordings which get strongest emotional responses from me are all fully analogue.

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Didn't ABKCO do that 2 years ago?

The Mono-Box and the Studio Albums Vinyl Collection 1971-2016 have digital sources, not all-analogue cutting.

but they're damn good digitals. Especially the mono box.

Neither ABKCO nor Universal seem willing to let anybodyget their mits on the precious original masters, which is understandable.

That said . It should be done.

Some of the stones original analogue masters probably survive in great serviceable condition. Others possibly not...

...but analogue masters to vinyl and new flat digital transfers from those tapes need to be done whilst the tapes remain in serviceable nick.

This because when musical information is lost, whether due to analogue tape degradation or to digital technology that wasn't as good as it is today, it's lost forever !

ABKCO is leasing the Stones catalogue to UMe. Of course, Promotone is leasing to UMe as well.

Here's a rather interesting take on it:

[lefsetz.com]

That was pre-Spotify world wide (2010 with the help of FaceBook), although UMG had a deal with Spotify in 2008 when it was only available in Europe (and lost a lot of money in the process).


But, in regard to whatever being released that hasn't been, ever, if the masters are no good, eh...

This article... it's a bit alarming. Hopefully there are multiple copies, in some tangible format and not just 'the cloud'. Perhaps they copy the multi tracks every 10 years... I've never seen anything suggesting that but it seems it would be a really good idea, yet alone the masters, on tape.

Can you imagine what Mick Jagger would've done to UMe if the Stones had handed over their masters had they'd signed with UMe earlier and lost everything in that fire!!??? If they would even be allowed to.

In the early 2000s, the migration away from physical tape storage began, with hard drives picking up the slack. As studios began remastering and transferring their data, they discovered the tape was deteriorating. But just like tape, hard drives also deteriorate with most commercial drives only rated for three to five years. Even stored in perfect conditions for archival purposes, these drives will eventually die.

[www.digitalmusicnews.com]

..and I was scared already

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