I get that some folks just love a good enyoyable argument ...

...but why can't certain others just say "vive la difference", and acknowledge the fundamental contribution of each band to the rock and popular music that developed in their collective and respective wakes.

The music we've enjoyed over the last 60 years would have been different and certainly the poorer without both or either of them.

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I get that some folks just love a good enyoyable argument ...

...but why can't certain others just say "vive la difference", and acknowledge the fundamental contribution of each band to the rock and popular music that developed in their collective and respective wakes.

The music we've enjoyed over the last 60 years would have been different and certainly the poorer without both or either of them.

Because saying "vive la difference" and acknowledging that the both bands have made the world signifyingly better place, and while those being - no doubt - true, it is just boring. This thread is titled "Beatles vs. Stones" after all...

I think more interesting and funny is to explicate the reasons and factors that make each band great. To see their difference and uniqueness. So the reasons that make The Stones great don't qualify to the Beatles, and vice versa. In the end, they are pretty incomparable. It is just a question of individual taste if one prefers one over the other. Well, I have a pretty rigorous taste in this matter, as I guess many has noticed, so what I do in this thread is just emphasizing the factors favoring the Stones.

But you know, personally I am not interested in talking about acts that I don't like that much. I mean what is a point to just to throw negative points? But the case of the Beatles is different, because, well, they are The Beatles, and as a Stones fan it is like a duty to have an opinion about them. They are so much historically linked to the Stones.

Besides, The Beatles is so much praised, adored and hyped that, you know, I find that almost ridiculous. It is not them just being great, but something else that goes beyond comprehension and any objectivity if one just looks the things outside of that bubble. Sometimes it feels like if nothing else has ever happened in popular music, like they have pretty much invented song-writing, recording studios, love and whatever. If Lennon happens to fart in the studio, there are probably Beatlelogists seriously writing books how genius is that. Nothing wrong with that, but there is always another, alternative view on things. So what I have done is to call into question some of the things that busy Beatlelogists and lazy music historians and journalists seem to have taken for granted. You know, defining greatness just solely in terms that seem to fit to the Beatles story or are defined by their whatever doings.

I have always found the 'classical' controversy between the Beatles and The Stones nothing but an entertaining one. I think it is a friendly competition. I have so many friends who are die-hard Beatles fans, and I just love arguing with them over this issue...

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No doxa- you're the only one here that I don't give a shit about! IGNORE!!!

Not true Hairball, you are the pom pom waving Beatle cheerleader, and it's so effing embarrassing--ya know.

Hope he pretends to be the Pope again ...

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It was 59 years ago today, on February, 7th, 1964 that the British Invasion officially begins as the Beatles land in America to blaze trails across the country,
making their indelible mark while paving the way for many other great British bands that followed - including the Rolling Stones. Without the Beatles, things would have been so different...

Great video from the Mayles Brothers documenting the events:

The Making of "The Beatles First US Visit" - The Maysles Brothers
Albert Maysles narrates commentary on the film and the events he and his brother witnessed, accompanying The Beatles on their first US tour.







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Time for the next singles round?

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It's All Over Now?

- Doxa

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I get that some folks just love a good enyoyable argument ...

...but why can't certain others just say "vive la difference", and acknowledge the fundamental contribution of each band to the rock and popular music that developed in their collective and respective wakes.

...

Because saying "vive la difference" and acknowledging that the both bands have made the world signifyingly better place, and while those being - no doubt - true, it is just boring. This thread is titled "Beatles vs. Stones" after all...

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I have always found the 'classical' controversy between the Beatles and The Stones nothing but an entertaining one. I think it is a friendly competition. I have so many friends who are die-hard Beatles fans, and I just love arguing with them over this issue...

- Doxa

I get all that ..but some folks seem to get a bit too bad tempered around this topic...more so than almost any other ...even Wood Vs Taylor

Thing is, as a young Kid I was never into the early 70s pop music I should have been into . From being about 8 years old [circa 1968] until 1972 or so, I was a huge Beatles fan.
The Stones hadn't even been on my Radar [apart from a Top of The Pops appearance around 65 , when at six years old, I'd thought Mick to be a wonderfully funny clown .]

Then, when I was about 12 , I heard SF and the newly released Exile.

That was it . Beatles ? , nah, these Rolling Stones are my boys !

And thus it has remained to this day ...but I still love the Beatles for what they gave us.

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You better move on

Yoko Ono: The Stones Are Better Than The Beatles

“Yes I have always thought The Rolling Stones were better” said Yoko. “I loved John but I am much more of a blues oriented girl. Keith’s riffs were killer and Mick is the best frontman of all time. They really are the greatest rock n roll band in the world.”

[www.madhousemagazine.com]

From the same satirical site that published these stories:

>Beatles & Stones Merge to Record Album & Tour This Year

>Rolling Stones Drop Every Song From Setlist For Inappropriate References

> Bill Wyman & Mick Taylor Form New Rolling Stones Band

And more here.> Beatles vs Stones


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On a more serious note, I just read that Yoko turned 90 yesterday!

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well they were great while they lasted .. them Beatles boys..

From UCR:

Eight Times the Beatles and Rolling Stones Worked Together

Martin Kielty, Published: February 23, 2023

"We always ended up friends. And I like to think we still are, because they were some of the greatest times of our lives,
and I’m really proud to be the one that leads them into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame". - Mick Jagger, 1998

Beatles + Stones

Like most musical rivalries, the vast majority of controversies between the Beatles and the Rolling Stones were created in the editorial offices of media outlets. While there have been some moments of real fireworks, they are as rare as examples of the two bands working together. Both groups came out of a relatively small music scene, centered on a few streets in London in the early ‘60s. They were sometimes seen together – probably talking about their accounts of trying to make it big – and they often shared session musicians, notably keyboardist Billy Preston, and studio staff, like Glyn Johns. But the bands hardly ever collaborated musically. If it’s true Paul McCartney may be heard on an upcoming Stones album, it will be the highest-profile example of collaboration between the bands and will most likely overshadow their brief work together in the past.

I Wanna Be Your Man

As an illustration of how casual the British rock ’n’ roll scene was before the explosion hit, the Lennon-McCartney song “I Wanna Be Your Man” became the Rolling Stones’ second single as a result of a chance meeting on a London street in 1963. Various accounts exist, but the result was that John Lennon and Paul McCartney, on being told the Stones needed a new song, followed manager Andrew Loog Oldham to the studio where Mick Jagger and band were working, and completed the song they had already started while the Stones looked on. “We knew them by then, and we were rehearsing, and Andrew brought Paul and John down to the rehearsal,” Jagger recalled. “They said they had this tune; they were really hustlers then. I mean the way they used to hustle tunes was great: ‘Hey, Mick, we’ve got this great song.’ So they played it, and we thought it sounded pretty commercial, which is what we were looking for.” Released in November 1963, "I Wanna Be Your Man" became the Stones’ second single, reaching No. 12 and becoming their first Top 20 hit. It was also the first song to be featured when the long-running BBC TV show Top of the Pops started its run on Jan. 1, 1964. Jagger and Keith Richards both credited the experience of watching the song being created as their inspiration to form their writing partnership. According to McCartney, the original plan for “I Wanna Be Your Man” was for it to be a showcase track for Ringo Starr, who sang the version heard on the Beatles’ second album, With the Beatles, which was also released in November 1963. The Fab Four had already begun recording their take by the time the song was completed for the Stones. In 1980, Lennon – who was often publicly dismissive of the Stones – noted that “it was a throwaway. The only two versions of the song were Ringo and the Rolling Stones. That shows how much importance we put on it: We weren’t going to give them anything great, right?”

Money (That’s What I Want)

It’s more of a cross-pollination than a collaboration, but Barrett Strong’s 1959 original version of "Money (That's What I Want)" was the first hit for Berry Gordy’s Motown label, reaching No. 23 the following year. It wasn’t a hit in Britain, but the Beatles discovered it at manager Brian Epstein’s record store and covered the song during their failed audition for Decca Records in 1962. They released a version as the final track of With the Beatles in 1963. While it’s not known for certain if an amount of backroom gossip led to it, the Stones tracked their version of “Money” two weeks before the Beatles’ LP was released, with their take arriving in January 1964 on The Rolling Stones EP.

Yellow Submarine

On June 1, 1966, the Beatles spent the day adding sound effects to their song “Yellow Submarine.” Among those who contributed was the Stones’ Brian Jones, a close friend of Lennon and McCartney. He’s heard in the backing vocals and also provides the sound of clinking glasses.

You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)

Brian Jones was invited to another Beatles session in June 1967. He’d been asked to add a musical track to “You Know My Name (Look Up the Number).” It was assumed it would be a guitar part. “We thought he’d bring a guitar, but he opens this case and there is a saxophone,” McCartney said later. “We said, ‘Well, we have this little number’ … and Brian plays the sax. It’s not terribly well played – a ropey sax solo – but it was just what we wanted. Brian was very good like that.” It was the last time they’d interact with Jones: His wayward behavior soon left Lennon regarding him as “one of them guys that you dreaded he’d come on the phone.”

Baby, You’re a Rich Man

As Lennon grappled with the emergency of Britain’s counterculture, he amalgamated two incomplete tracks into “Baby, You’re a Rich Man,” which was released as the B-side to “All You Need is Love” in July 1967. Mick Jagger attended one of the sessions and wound up supplying backing vocals toward the end of the song. Perhaps the experience inspired him to follow the psychedelia concept the Beatles were embracing on the recently completed Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. Jagger was later accused of attempting to blankly copy the Beatles’ work.

We Love You

As the Rolling Stones worked on their 1967 album Their Satanic Majesties Request, Jagger and Richards decided to write a tribute to the fans who’d kept faith with them during their recent drug arrests. They came up with “We Love You,” which was released in August 1967 as a deliberate nod to the Beatles’ “All You Need is Love.” The song features Lennon and McCartney on uncredited backing vocals. One version of the album cover also features small pictures of all four members of the Beatles, a reaction to the Beatles’ mention of the Stones on their famous Sgt. Pepper art.

Yer Blues

The Rolling Stones Rock and Roll Circus marked the only time members of the Stones and Beatles performed onstage together. As part of the TV spectacular that remained unreleased for years, John Lennon and Keith Richards played the Beatles’ “Yer Blues” in a band called the Dirty Mac. The performance also included Eric Clapton, Yoko Ono and Mitch Mitchell. Lennon, who introduced himself as “Winston Leg-Thigh,” based the moniker on Fleetwood Mac and oversaw the one-off performance from Dec. 11, 1968.

I Saw Her Standing There

In another example that there was always more connecting than disconnection between the British giants, Jagger inducted the Beatles into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in 1998, two years after its first ceremony. It was a rather shakily organized night with fellow inductees the Beach Boys causing controversy, while Starr was noticeably drunk during the proceedings (McCartney declined to attend). Everyone else – including Bruce Springsteen, Neil Young and Bob Dylan – hit the stage for the closing jam, which included Jagger delivering a verse of the Beatles' “I Saw Her Standing There.” During his speech, Jagger said, “We had … a lot of rivalry in those early years and a little bit of friction, but we always ended up friends. And I like to think we still are, because they were some of the greatest times of our lives, and I’m really proud to be the one that leads them into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.”

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Then move along - nobody is forcing you to read anything.

Nobody is forcing you to post it. It's ancient history. Just listen to the music. That's all that matters.

This is a forum based on a band that's best days are far behind them, and a majority of the content of this forum is based on the past.
Based on your advice, not sure why you even bother posting anything...maybe you should "just listen to the music" instead.

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Then move along - nobody is forcing you to read anything.

Nobody is forcing you to post it. It's ancient history. Just listen to the music. That's all that matters.

This is a forum based on a band that's best days are far behind them, and a majority of the content of this forum is based on the past.
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You start making sense.

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Then move along - nobody is forcing you to read anything.

Nobody is forcing you to post it. It's ancient history. Just listen to the music. That's all that matters.

This is a forum based on a band that's best days are far behind them, and a majority of the content of this forum is based on the past.
Based on your advice, not sure why you even bother posting anything...maybe you should "just listen to the music" instead.

You start making sense.

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Nobody is forcing you to post it. It's ancient history. Just listen to the music. That's all that matters.

This is a forum based on a band that's best days are far behind them, and a majority of the content of this forum is based on the past.
Based on your advice, not sure why you even bother posting anything...maybe you should "just listen to the music" instead.

You start making sense.

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Nobody is forcing you to post it. It's ancient history. Just listen to the music. That's all that matters.

This is a forum based on a band that's best days are far behind them, and a majority of the content of this forum is based on the past.
Based on your advice, not sure why you even bother posting anything...maybe you should "just listen to the music" instead.

You start making sense.

Yet you haven't made sense at all.

Because it's impossible to make sense on writing about music. Music is freedom of speech.

That makes absolutely no sense at all.

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Then move along - nobody is forcing you to read anything.

Nobody is forcing you to post it. It's ancient history. Just listen to the music. That's all that matters.

This is a forum based on a band that's best days are far behind them, and a majority of the content of this forum is based on the past.
Based on your advice, not sure why you even bother posting anything...maybe you should "just listen to the music" instead.

You start making sense.

Yet you haven't made sense at all.

Because it's impossible to make sense on writing about music. Music is freedom of speech.

That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Music is a language that everybody understands. Some dialects might sound ugly to people though . You got it?

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Nobody is forcing you to post it. It's ancient history. Just listen to the music. That's all that matters.

This is a forum based on a band that's best days are far behind them, and a majority of the content of this forum is based on the past.
Based on your advice, not sure why you even bother posting anything...maybe you should "just listen to the music" instead.

You start making sense.

Yet you haven't made sense at all.

Because it's impossible to make sense on writing about music. Music is freedom of speech.

That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Music is a language that everybody understands. Some dialects might sound ugly to people though . You got it?

Nobody is forcing you to listen to any specific "dialects" that you think "sound ugly".
To use your phrase: "Music is freedom of speech".

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Forget the past. We cannot repeat it.

Then move along - nobody is forcing you to read anything.

Nobody is forcing you to post it. It's ancient history. Just listen to the music. That's all that matters.

This is a forum based on a band that's best days are far behind them, and a majority of the content of this forum is based on the past.
Based on your advice, not sure why you even bother posting anything...maybe you should "just listen to the music" instead.

You start making sense.

Yet you haven't made sense at all.

Because it's impossible to make sense on writing about music. Music is freedom of speech.

That makes absolutely no sense at all.

Music is a language that everybody understands. Some dialects might sound ugly to people though . You got it?

Nobody is forcing you to listen to any specific "dialects" that you think "sound ugly".
To use your phrase: "Music is freedom of speech".

Absolutely; answers are also freedom of speech; as far as music is concerned.