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DandelionPowderman
I thought you meant stillborn, too, Georgie
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georgie48
A child was apparently born still in 1941 ...
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georgie48
A child was apparently born still in 1941 ...
Can I suggest the following wording?
"Nevertheless, the child was apparently born in 1941".
Hope that's right and it helps.
It seems to be classy research into John Ono Lennon's obscure relatives, and now perhaps you can help the rest of us by establishing how all of this is linked to Brian Jones of Cheltenham who was the primary founding member of The Rolling Stones.
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georgie48
To Irix: the other day I contacted a former chairman of a Dutch Beatles fanclub to see if he can help me to read the book "John Lennon's letters" to see if it has any details I'm looking for. In all honesty, I don't think it has (John was not really into exact figures, right?), but I have to in order not to miss anything.
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georgie48
A child was apparently born in 1941 ...
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georgie48
To Irix: the other day I contacted a former chairman of a Dutch Beatles fanclub to see if he can help me to read the book "John Lennon's letters" to see if it has any details I'm looking for. In all honesty, I don't think it has (John was not really into exact figures, right?), but I have to in order not to miss anything.
There're not much details about John's aunt Harriet, I had the most important data already posted here. I don't own this book, I've read the appropriate sections only via 'Look inside' on [www.Amazon.co.uk] and via the Google Books preview. The Kindle-Edition is just £3.99 and can also be read on many other devices - [www.Amazon.co.uk] .
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georgie48
Not yet, Irix.
This NN Harvey appears to be Liela's husband?
Were there any exact dates (day/month) mentioned on the events, like when Hafez died and when the troop ship left from Egypt to England and when it arrived in Lennon's Letters? I doubt it. Maybe it's possible to trace those dates back (war documents?). I'll give it a shot anyway.
Record of Harriet and Lila (4 years old) returning from Egypt. Their Proposed address in the UK is 241 Menlove Ave, Liverpool. They are in 2nd class and have an Egyptian passport. Harriet is listed as a widow...
Name: Harriet Hafez
Arrival Age: 25
Birth Date: 1916
Port of Departure: Suez, Egypt
Arrival Date: 22 Oct 1941
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ports of Voyage: Suez; Cape Town and Trinidad
Ship Name: Llangibby Castle
Shipping Line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 161329
Household Members
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georgie48
is anything written about when Ali B. Hafez died? Apperently an accident (war related, car related?)
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georgie48
And CC, is anything written about when Ali B. Hafez died? Apperently an accident (war related, car related?) And anything on Harriet during the remaining period in Cairo before she left for the UK on August 10, 1941?
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CaptainCorella
where this is all leading
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CaptainCorella
where this is all leading
Could be a similar story like John Lennon's half-sister Victoria/Ingrid from a Welsh soldier - [en.Wikipedia.org] . In case of Harriet (Stanley/Hafez) the yet unknown father could be a relative of the family of Brian Jones ....
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georgie48
any "incident" must indeed have happened in Cairo and my guess is around January 1941
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georgie48
any "incident" must indeed have happened in Cairo and my guess is around January 1941
If the "incident" was in early 1941 and Harriet & Liela arrived on 22-Oct-1941 in Glasgow via the Llangibby Castle ship and with Egyptian passports then there could/must have been British entry documents about 3 people (1 mother with 2 children) ....
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Irix
Google finds nothing about that Harriet (Stanley/Hafez/Birch) had in total 3 children ....
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georgie48
Not yet, Irix.
This NN Harvey appears to be Liela's husband?
Were there any exact dates (day/month) mentioned on the events, like when Hafez died and when the troop ship left from Egypt to England and when it arrived in Lennon's Letters? I doubt it. Maybe it's possible to trace those dates back (war documents?). I'll give it a shot anyway.
Record of Harriet and Lila (4 years old) returning from Egypt. Their Proposed address in the UK is 241 Menlove Ave, Liverpool. They are in 2nd class and have an Egyptian passport. Harriet is listed as a widow...
Name: Harriet Hafez
Arrival Age: 25
Birth Date: 1916
Port of Departure: Suez, Egypt
Arrival Date: 22 Oct 1941
Port of Arrival: Glasgow, Scotland
Ports of Voyage: Suez; Cape Town and Trinidad
Ship Name: Llangibby Castle
Shipping Line: Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 161329
Household Members
Actual 1941 ship log of Harriet and Lila. Also three other passenger entries.
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CaptainCorella
where this is all leading
Could be a similar story like John Lennon's half-sister Victoria/Ingrid from a Welsh soldier - [en.Wikipedia.org] . In case of Harriet (Stanley/Hafez) the yet unknown father could be a relative of the family of Brian Jones ....
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Rockman
IF by chance you track down any of these
relatives that are still alive can you please
ask them if they know anything about when the new Stones album will be out ...
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Rockman
IF by chance you track down any of these
relatives that are still alive can you please
ask them if they know anything about when the new Stones album will be out ...
Post of the week, Rockman. And the Captain is right, too.
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georgie48
Hi 2000LYFH!
This is an amazing piece of work you did! Highly appreciated!!!
Unfortunately none of the names on this part of your list ring a bell. The three passengers you mentioned seperately, were they among these names?
Who knows, maybe the second part of your list?
It's is still possible that the one I look for stayed behind in Cairo at that time, but don`t worry about that, I've have filed a request at a governmental institute. It's an entry from a different angle.
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georgie48
I now have three names I can work on.
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georgie48
I now have three names I can work on.
So, John Perry Jones could be a relative of Elias Phillips Jones (1865–1937), father of Lewis Blount Jones (1917–2009) and grandfather of Brian Jones?
Btw: I can't see that picture from the passenger list too and maybe it's better to remove the uninvolved names of the passenger list due to privacy reasons. Let them rest in peace.
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georgie48
I now have three names I can work on.
So, John Perry Jones could be a relative of Elias Phillips Jones (1865–1937), father of Lewis Blount Jones (1917–2009) and grandfather of Brian Jones?
Btw: I can't see that picture from the passenger list too and maybe it's better to remove the uninvolved names of the passenger list due to privacy reasons. Let them rest in peace.
Worth pointing out that BY FAR the most common Welsh surname is ... JONES.
ie Just because they have the same surname does not really even imply that they were related. See [www.familysearch.org]) where it cites 13.84% which is a staggering proportion of the population.
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georgie48
I now have three names I can work on.
So, John Perry Jones could be a relative of Elias Phillips Jones (1865–1937), father of Lewis Blount Jones (1917–2009) and grandfather of Brian Jones?
Btw: I can't see that picture from the passenger list too and maybe it's better to remove the uninvolved names of the passenger list due to privacy reasons. Let them rest in peace.