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Is this a Stones site?

Yes and this is a dedicated thread for all Beatles related posts as sanctioned by the website's owner, curator and your host, bv.
If you have any issues with it I suggest you contact him personally at iorr@arena.no rather than keep trolling on here.

Your nice!

My nice what?

Very nice

very nice indeed as is mr potus

Some narcissism going on here, mickscarey.

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The Beatles' First Take Of 'Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds'

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Listening to that stripped down Lucy reminded me of this, especially the instrumental chorus of Lucy.


Dizzy


And Lucy...

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I'm not a big fan of Pepper; I was impressed with all the fashion and experimentation at the time but it didn't stay with me as an important album I'd go back to...that being said I celebrate the band's accomplishments and a whole lot of tracks I think were written and performed beautifully but these re-mixes leave me unimpressed. My only true reference would be the various commercial formats it was originally released in; mostly vinyl tho I'm pretty sure 8 track and cassette official releases were in the 'mix' and available back then; these new ones from George Martin's son seem sterile to me; too deconstructed, isolated, compressed and carefully put back together again. There is a deadness to it, and a sameness dynamically speaking, in a sonic sense; to me anyhow...it doesen't seem to have the verve and humanity to it; i'm not technically advanced enough to know exactly what the 'loudness' wars are about other than pumping certain frequencies with equalization....but there's something 'off' about these to my ears...There were at least 10 studio albums from them before this and a few afterward and I think I've got pretty good familiarity with what was presented and how; how everybody was hearing things on the radio and tv and for the part on all their various home gear back then....and it's not right somehow....
there's a sterility to it that I didn't pick up with their output straight from George Martin; and pretty much exactly what the band was hearing and approving...
...even those Cirque de Solie (sp?) tracks that g. Martin put together were stripped to basic sonics and transparent but so beautiful and impactful; pristine really...his son doesn't have the same frame of reference imo, and not capable of similar impact with his production work.
yes you can hear the drums and certain things in more detail. but the acoustics seem thin and metallic...the performances sound further away and less personal; even tho the specific details might be more apparent, tweaked hard in the mids and upper mids where the vocals are until it all sounds flat without dynamics, well not 'all' w totality but that's my impression from early listenings and I won't listen too much further....
...i think sometimes these great 'new and improved' hype-fests are pretty much hype-fests but no one wants to say the Emperor has no clothes....we're getting sort of everything microscopically tweaked and enlarged and exposed and it all sounds flat dynamically to me pretty much. Certain labels that had Stones catalog control for period did similar kinds of things that drove me back to my official cassette and vinyl releases for a reality check.

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I'm not a big fan of Pepper; I was impressed with all the fashion and experimentation at the time but it didn't stay with me as an important album I'd go back to...that being said I celebrate the band's accomplishments and a whole lot of tracks I think were written and performed beautifully but these re-mixes leave me unimpressed. My only true reference would be the various commercial formats it was originally released in; mostly vinyl tho I'm pretty sure 8 track and cassette official releases were in the 'mix' and available back then; these new ones from George Martin's son seem sterile to me; too deconstructed, isolated, compressed and carefully put back together again. There is a deadness to it, and a sameness dynamically speaking, in a sonic sense; to me anyhow...it doesen't seem to have the verve and humanity to it; i'm not technically advanced enough to know exactly what the 'loudness' wars are about other than pumping certain frequencies with equalization....but there's something 'off' about these to my ears...There were at least 10 studio albums from them before this and a few afterward and I think I've got pretty good familiarity with what was presented and how; how everybody was hearing things on the radio and tv and for the part on all their various home gear back then....and it's not right somehow....
there's a sterility to it that I didn't pick up with their output straight from George Martin; and pretty much exactly what the band was hearing and approving...
...even those Cirque de Solie (sp?) tracks that g. Martin put together were stripped to basic sonics and transparent but so beautiful and impactful; pristine really...his son doesn't have the same frame of reference imo, and not capable of similar impact with his production work.
yes you can hear the drums and certain things in more detail. but the acoustics seem thin and metallic...the performances sound further away and less personal; even tho the specific details might be more apparent, tweaked hard in the mids and upper mids where the vocals are until it all sounds flat without dynamics, well not 'all' w totality but that's my impression from early listenings and I won't listen too much further....
...i think sometimes these great 'new and improved' hype-fests are pretty much hype-fests but no one wants to say the Emperor has no clothes....we're getting sort of everything microscopically tweaked and enlarged and exposed and it all sounds flat dynamically to me pretty much. Certain labels that had Stones catalog control for period did similar kinds of things that drove me back to my official cassette and vinyl releases for a reality check.

In other words, overly sterilized. I might be better off sticking with my scratchy old vinyl (or my other old copies that aren't so scratchy), or the mono mix cd from several years ago.
But I really want to hear all of the outakes, etc. from the Big Deluxe...!!!...wondering if each of those will be available separately as a download? Or maybe they are already?

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Here's Giles take on it; tho I suspect Christiano is probably already aware of it.
interesting in any case imo:
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"We now can go back to the early generations of tapes. It's hard to explain, but my father had to record everything on a four-track — that means you can record four things on one tape. And that was bounced to another four-track. [Each time sounds are bounced to another tape the sound degrades]. What we do is we go back to the previous generation [the original tapes], so we're mixing off generations of tape that they never mixed off. [Martin here is referencing the final takes of each instrumental part, which were transferred to four-track tapes, which were then used to create the final mix.] So it's almost like a car that comes straight out of a paint shop. The tapes are glistening. What was recorded in '67 sounds pure and crystal clear — there's not any hiss or anything. And with this version of Sgt. Pepper that's what we try to do — we're trying to get you closer to the music."
[www.npr.org]

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Here's Giles take on it; tho I suspect Christiano is probably already aware of it.
interesting in any case imo:
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...'Why it sounds clearer now...
"We now can go back to the early generations of tapes. It's hard to explain, but my father had to record everything on a four-track — that means you can record four things on one tape. And that was bounced to another four-track. [Each time sounds are bounced to another tape the sound degrades]. What we do is we go back to the previous generation [the original tapes], so we're mixing off generations of tape that they never mixed off. [Martin here is referencing the final takes of each instrumental part, which were transferred to four-track tapes, which were then used to create the final mix.] So it's almost like a car that comes straight out of a paint shop. The tapes are glistening. What was recorded in '67 sounds pure and crystal clear — there's not any hiss or anything. And with this version of Sgt. Pepper that's what we try to do — we're trying to get you closer to the music."
[www.npr.org]

Thanks, hopkins!

I agree completely with Giles here. I haven't read many reviews about this release because I wanted to be surprised when listening to the album, which happened. There's a lot of details I haven't heard on the previous pressings and in this new mix everything is louder and clearer.

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Here's Giles take on it; tho I suspect Christiano is probably already aware of it.
interesting in any case imo:
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...'Why it sounds clearer now...
"We now can go back to the early generations of tapes. It's hard to explain, but my father had to record everything on a four-track — that means you can record four things on one tape. And that was bounced to another four-track. [Each time sounds are bounced to another tape the sound degrades]. What we do is we go back to the previous generation [the original tapes], so we're mixing off generations of tape that they never mixed off. [Martin here is referencing the final takes of each instrumental part, which were transferred to four-track tapes, which were then used to create the final mix.] So it's almost like a car that comes straight out of a paint shop. The tapes are glistening. What was recorded in '67 sounds pure and crystal clear — there's not any hiss or anything. And with this version of Sgt. Pepper that's what we try to do — we're trying to get you closer to the music."
[www.npr.org]

Thanks, hopkins!

I agree completely with Giles here. I haven't read many reviews about this release because I wanted to be surprised when listening to the album, which happened. There's a lot of details I haven't heard on the previous pressings and in this new mix everything is louder and clearer.

I haven't heard it yet, so anything I say (or have said) is based on speculation.
I think part of the charm of the original recordings might have to do with the archaic recording process, ie "Each time sounds are bounced to another tape the sound degrades". That's they way it was back then, and the final cut was a culmination of tape degradation for better or worse. That's the absolute original release, which is like a time capsule that everyone is used to. Now it's being dissected, torn apart, and put back together meticulously with state of the art equipment. Like Frankenstein being torn apart and put back together with original parts, but done via non-invasive lazer surgery vs old school scalpels and stitches. Or like taking a dirty old hippie and giving him a bath and a brand new tuxedo. There might be some plus's to all of this, but if it strays too far from the original, it might lose part of it's greatness and come across as a bit sterile. Kind of like colorized old black and white films in a sense - it might look nice, but it's not the real thing.That said, I definitely look forward to hearing all of this with it's nice new shiny coating, but whether it's an actual improvement is a matter of opinion.

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Here's Giles take on it; tho I suspect Christiano is probably already aware of it.
interesting in any case imo:
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...'Why it sounds clearer now...
"We now can go back to the early generations of tapes. It's hard to explain, but my father had to record everything on a four-track — that means you can record four things on one tape. And that was bounced to another four-track. [Each time sounds are bounced to another tape the sound degrades]. What we do is we go back to the previous generation [the original tapes], so we're mixing off generations of tape that they never mixed off. [Martin here is referencing the final takes of each instrumental part, which were transferred to four-track tapes, which were then used to create the final mix.] So it's almost like a car that comes straight out of a paint shop. The tapes are glistening. What was recorded in '67 sounds pure and crystal clear — there's not any hiss or anything. And with this version of Sgt. Pepper that's what we try to do — we're trying to get you closer to the music."
[www.npr.org]

Thanks, hopkins!

I agree completely with Giles here. I haven't read many reviews about this release because I wanted to be surprised when listening to the album, which happened. There's a lot of details I haven't heard on the previous pressings and in this new mix everything is louder and clearer.

I haven't heard it yet, so anything I say (or have said) is based on speculation.
I think part of the charm of the original recordings might have to do with the archaic recording process, ie "Each time sounds are bounced to another tape the sound degrades". That's they way it was back then, and the final cut was a culmination of tape degradation for better or worse. That's the absolute original release, which is like a time capsule that everyone is used to. Now it's being dissected, torn apart, and put back together meticulously with state of the art equipment. Like Frankenstein being torn apart and put back together with original parts, but done via non-invasive lazer surgery vs old school scalpels and stitches. Or like taking a dirty old hippie and giving him a bath and a brand new tuxedo. There might be some plus's to all of this, but if it strays too far from the original, it might lose part of it's greatness and come across as a bit sterile. Kind of like colorized old black and white films in a sense - it might look nice, but it's not the real thing.That said, I definitely look forward to hearing all of this with it's nice new shiny coating, but whether it's an actual improvement is a matter of opinion.

I second crholmstrom's comment above: It's like hearing it for the first time indeed.

A splendid time is guaranteed for all!

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Here's Giles take on it; tho I suspect Christiano is probably already aware of it.
interesting in any case imo:
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...'Why it sounds clearer now...
"We now can go back to the early generations of tapes. It's hard to explain, but my father had to record everything on a four-track — that means you can record four things on one tape. And that was bounced to another four-track. [Each time sounds are bounced to another tape the sound degrades]. What we do is we go back to the previous generation [the original tapes], so we're mixing off generations of tape that they never mixed off. [Martin here is referencing the final takes of each instrumental part, which were transferred to four-track tapes, which were then used to create the final mix.] So it's almost like a car that comes straight out of a paint shop. The tapes are glistening. What was recorded in '67 sounds pure and crystal clear — there's not any hiss or anything. And with this version of Sgt. Pepper that's what we try to do — we're trying to get you closer to the music."
[www.npr.org]

Thanks, hopkins!

I agree completely with Giles here. I haven't read many reviews about this release because I wanted to be surprised when listening to the album, which happened. There's a lot of details I haven't heard on the previous pressings and in this new mix everything is louder and clearer.

I haven't heard it yet, so anything I say (or have said) is based on speculation.
I think part of the charm of the original recordings might have to do with the archaic recording process, ie "Each time sounds are bounced to another tape the sound degrades". That's they way it was back then, and the final cut was a culmination of tape degradation for better or worse. That's the absolute original release, which is like a time capsule that everyone is used to. Now it's being dissected, torn apart, and put back together meticulously with state of the art equipment. Like Frankenstein being torn apart and put back together with original parts, but done via non-invasive lazer surgery vs old school scalpels and stitches. Or like taking a dirty old hippie and giving him a bath and a brand new tuxedo. There might be some plus's to all of this, but if it strays too far from the original, it might lose part of it's greatness and come across as a bit sterile. Kind of like colorized old black and white films in a sense - it might look nice, but it's not the real thing.That said, I definitely look forward to hearing all of this with it's nice new shiny coating, but whether it's an actual improvement is a matter of opinion.

I second crholmstrom's comment above: It's like hearing it for the first time indeed.

A splendid time is guaranteed for all!

But ....do you think it's better than the original? Or maybe I should say, do you personally like it better than the original?
Or is it a matter of apples and oranges....with possibly both having positives and negatives?