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Keith and his people have been smart in selecting songs to unlock. Only a couple of nuggets compared to most of the other ten songs, imo.
I love the strategy of trickling them out like this. I've listened to some of them more carefully than I would've if they'd just been dumped out all at once
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As I predicted somewhere at the beginning of this thread (before anything had been released):
"Keith will show who is the mastermind behind the Stones", and it's been proven that my prediction was correct (imo).
Diversity, authenticity, sincerity, creativity...these are a few of the things lacking when I hear a Mick solo album.
Not to bash Mick as he's obviously the greatest front man in rock and roll as part of the Rolling Stones,
but when it comes to doing something new and 'creative' on his own, we get something like 'Let's Work' or Superheavy.
Sometimes I just wish Mick would know his place and stick to his role as the singer/lyricist,
and let Keith take the lead when it comes to knowing and writing great music.
If that were the case, we could have ended up with a great Stones album!
With that said - looking forward to hearing the new Mick/Don Henley collaboration.
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Keith and his people have been smart in selecting songs to unlock. Only a couple of nuggets compared to most of the other ten songs, imo.
I love the strategy of trickling them out like this. I've listened to some of them more carefully than I would've if they'd just been dumped out all at once
Yes it is a great strategy for reasons you stated Turner.
As a matter of fact I might utilize this strategy when the album is officially released...ONE SONG per week at a time.
Just kidding - that would be impossible.
Other than the official four released, still haven't heard any other snippets and/or boots intentionally, and that's probably the most restraint I can muster.
When I have the whole package in my hands and play it loud from start to finish repeatedly, the whole western part of the United States will surely know about.
Are we almost there yet?
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I think sticking to the music instead of slagging others for their opinions because they don't match your own is probably pretty good policy.
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if people want to use this track to judge the reggae genre in any way I can only suggest they go put on a Bob Marley record,
Survival perhaps, and then revisit this Keith tune with a bit of proper reggae perspective. lol
While perhaps not 'slagging' others for their opinions, it does comes across as a bit condescending at the least.
If you want to base your opinions on Reggae solely on Bob Marley (who I also love) thats great,
but your missing a whole world of diversity out there.
Bob Marley is just the tip of the iceberg as far as great Reggae is concerned.
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Keith and his people have been smart in selecting songs to unlock. Only a couple of nuggets compared to most of the other ten songs, imo.
I love the strategy of trickling them out like this. I've listened to some of them more carefully than I would've if they'd just been dumped out all at once
Yes it is a great strategy for reasons you stated Turner.
As a matter of fact I might utilize this strategy when the album is officially released...ONE SONG per week at a time.
Just kidding - that would be impossible.
Other than the official four released, still haven't heard any other snippets and/or boots intentionally, and that's probably the most restraint I can muster.
When I have the whole package in my hands and play it loud from start to finish repeatedly, the whole western part of the United States will surely know about.
Are we almost there yet?
I think that is a bad strategy. Had I not had that bootleg into my hands, and just listened these 'unlocked' tokens, I probably had lost my interest by now. The album works nicely as a whole - like the albums did ages ago - making a certain kind of general musical statement, but individual tracks doesn't stand by their own, me thinks.
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Keith and his people have been smart in selecting songs to unlock. Only a couple of nuggets compared to most of the other ten songs, imo.
I love the strategy of trickling them out like this. I've listened to some of them more carefully than I would've if they'd just been dumped out all at once
Yes it is a great strategy for reasons you stated Turner.
As a matter of fact I might utilize this strategy when the album is officially released...ONE SONG per week at a time.
Just kidding - that would be impossible.
Other than the official four released, still haven't heard any other snippets and/or boots intentionally, and that's probably the most restraint I can muster.
When I have the whole package in my hands and play it loud from start to finish repeatedly, the whole western part of the United States will surely know about.
Are we almost there yet?
I think that is a bad strategy. Had I not had that bootleg into my hands, and just listened these 'unlocked' tokens, I probably had lost my interest by now. The album works nicely as a whole - like the albums did ages ago - making a certain kind of general musical statement, but individual tracks doesn't stand by their own, me thinks.
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I haven't listened to the bootleg and am hearing these tracks for the first time and I think it is great.
I am looking forward even more to hearing them all together.
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As I predicted somewhere at the beginning of this thread (before anything had been released):
"Keith will show who is the mastermind behind the Stones", and it's been proven that my prediction was correct (imo).
Diversity, authenticity, sincerity, creativity...these are a few of the things lacking when I hear a Mick solo album.
Not to bash Mick as he's obviously the greatest front man in rock and roll as part of the Rolling Stones,
but when it comes to doing something new and 'creative' on his own, we get something like 'Let's Work' or Superheavy.
Sometimes I just wish Mick would know his place and stick to his role as the singer/lyricist,
and let Keith take the lead when it comes to knowing and writing great music.
If that were the case, we could have ended up with a great Stones album!
With that said - looking forward to hearing the new Mick/Don Henley collaboration.
Keith is about to release a really nice album, but he is not proving anything except just showing he can still produce nice, but rather obvious roots-based music with good variance, which seemingly resonates very well with the taste of the people who already love him dearly. Forget all those "mastermind" or anything that sort of. That bus has long gone. We are not actually talking about "Gimme Shelter" - or anything close to the work to the Stones at their best - here.
But I think the best feature with CROSSEYED HEART is that Keith really sounds like an autonumous artistic individual who doesn't need Jagger and the Stones any longer to accomplish his ideas and visions. Nor the Stones are missing here anything.
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Love Overdue is no more "pure" Jamaican reggae than Sweet Virginia or Dead Flowers were "authentic" American country that would've been heard blasting out of a radio in the Deep South during the 1950s.
And they're not supposed to be.
This is Keith and the Stones interpreting musical influences in a way that makes it uniquely their own. To that end, all of these tracks fit their respective albums perfectly, in a way that makes them feel of a piece. Indeed, one of the strengths of Crosseyed Heart is the way is manages to weave such diverse styles throughout the album- from reggae to soul to folk.
Judging by the existence of a Lee Perry mix, Keith had a chance to include a version of Love Overdue that was closer to the song's Jamaican roots but opted not to take it. I assume he wanted to maintain that balance the album enjoys with all these various styles creating a distinct blend. He wanted that undercurrent of the blues extending out from the title track and running through to the end. Taken in that light, you begin to realize that something like, say, that brief breakdown in Love Overdue isn't all that different from the one Keith employs similarly in Amnesia. It's not a feeble attempt to try and imitate something he's heard others perform. It's just part of his musical DNA and how he interprets things at this point.
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I haven't listened to the bootleg and am hearing these tracks for the first time and I think it is great.
I am looking forward even more to hearing them all together.
100% likewise
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No one's ruining any songs for me.
Genres are always fuzzy, and reggae is a very diverse style.
Love Overdue is now my second-favourite of the five tracks Keith's released.
my top:
1. robbed blind.
2. amnesia
3. trouble.
4. love overdue
5. substantial damage
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As I predicted somewhere at the beginning of this thread (before anything had been released):
"Keith will show who is the mastermind behind the Stones", and it's been proven that my prediction was correct (imo).
Diversity, authenticity, sincerity, creativity...these are a few of the things lacking when I hear a Mick solo album.
Not to bash Mick as he's obviously the greatest front man in rock and roll as part of the Rolling Stones,
but when it comes to doing something new and 'creative' on his own, we get something like 'Let's Work' or Superheavy.
Sometimes I just wish Mick would know his place and stick to his role as the singer/lyricist,
and let Keith take the lead when it comes to knowing and writing great music.
If that were the case, we could have ended up with a great Stones album!
With that said - looking forward to hearing the new Mick/Don Henley collaboration.
Keith is about to release a really nice album, but he is not proving anything except just showing he can still produce nice, but rather obvious roots-based music with good variance, which seemingly resonates very well with the taste of the people who already love him dearly. Forget all those "mastermind" or anything that sort of. That bus has long gone. We are not actually talking about "Gimme Shelter" - or anything close to the work to the Stones at their best - here.
But I think the best feature with CROSSEYED HEART is that Keith really sounds like an autonumous artistic individual who doesn't need Jagger and the Stones any longer to accomplish his ideas and visions. Nor the Stones are missing here anything.
- Doxa
So where are the really great albums coming from these days? Who's making them in 2015? Please help me because I still buy really good music that I like but don't consider nothing more than very enjoyable. How many Gimme Shelter's does an artist have in them? I would rather compare Crosseyed Heart to what's older artists have released for comparison and it compares very favorably. The great news is a lot of Keith's contemporaries are still burning out rather than rusting!!
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I'm looking forward to people telling me that the title track isn't a real blues
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Keith and his people have been smart in selecting songs to unlock. Only a couple of nuggets compared to most of the other ten songs, imo.
I love the strategy of trickling them out like this. I've listened to some of them more carefully than I would've if they'd just been dumped out all at once
Yes it is a great strategy for reasons you stated Turner.
As a matter of fact I might utilize this strategy when the album is officially released...ONE SONG per week at a time.
Just kidding - that would be impossible.
Other than the official four released, still haven't heard any other snippets and/or boots intentionally, and that's probably the most restraint I can muster.
When I have the whole package in my hands and play it loud from start to finish repeatedly, the whole western part of the United States will surely know about.
Are we almost there yet?
I think that is a bad strategy. Had I not had that bootleg into my hands, and just listened these 'unlocked' tokens, I probably had lost my interest by now. The album works nicely as a whole - like the albums did ages ago - making a certain kind of general musical statement, but individual tracks doesn't stand by their own, me thinks.
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I haven't listened to the bootleg and am hearing these tracks for the first time and think it is great. I am looking forward even more to hearing them all together.
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I'm looking forward to people telling me that the title track isn't a real blues
Well, here here!
Not really, but let's put it this way: One could put the title track into text books with a guidance 'Uncle Keith is here showing how to play a pure Delta blues'...
But then again, if one is actually into 'real' country blues, why not listen to Robert Johnson, Blind Lemon Jefferson, etc. than listen to a rather straight-forward, obvious - and a lame - mimic of that by a British rock star? That he plays the stuff roots-friendly and damn (too) closely to traditional arrangements, doesn't make it 'authentic'...
Let's say, it is always nice to hear Richards playing the blues, but the blues fan me in me is not very impressed always... I think "Crosseyed Heart" (the song) is a bit cheap shot, rather light-weight stuff individually, but as nice introduction to theme of the album, it has a point (the point of the whole album, for me, simply is: 'here Keith Richards is playing music, including different kind of genres, he admires and loves to play')
I know I do belong to the minority here, but despite some romantic flavor, I have never considered Keef as any 'blues man' or 'reggae brother' but an unique rock star who has a very good taste in music... If I want to listen some good blues or reggae I probably go to the records he is also crazy for, not any of his...
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Keith can't help being born in the 40s. He plays and writes the music he loves. Who are we to question "pureness" or to call something "quasi-reggae, LOL".
Either we like it or we don't. Nobody questioned Hank Williams purity because he didn't play "country music" the way the old irish folk singers did before settlers came to the US. It's a useless debate, imo.
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Keith can't help being born in the 40s. He plays and writes the music he loves. Who are we to question "pureness" or to call something "quasi-reggae, LOL".
Either we like it or we don't. Nobody questioned Hank Williams purity because he didn't play "country music" the way the old irish folk singers did before settlers came to the US. It's a useless debate, imo.
Well I'm glad you've come to that conclusion after defending the pureness of Keith's reggae track in this thread with such passion. LOL Obviously the argument goes both ways, my friend. We are both listening to the same piece of music, who the heck cares what we call it? Sounds the same even it someone calls it polka.
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Keith can't help being born in the 40s. He plays and writes the music he loves. Who are we to question "pureness" or to call something "quasi-reggae, LOL".
Either we like it or we don't. Nobody questioned Hank Williams purity because he didn't play "country music" the way the old irish folk singers did before settlers came to the US. It's a useless debate, imo.
Well I'm glad you've come to that conclusion after defending the pureness of Keith's reggae track in this thread with such passion. LOL Obviously the argument goes both ways, my friend. We are both listening to the same piece of music, who the heck cares what we call it? Sounds the same even it someone calls it polka.
i don't think the argument started because dandelion was forcing everyone to say that it was pure reggae, i think the argument started when people started to criticize those who did choose to call it reggae.
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Keith can't help being born in the 40s. He plays and writes the music he loves. Who are we to question "pureness" or to call something "quasi-reggae, LOL".
Either we like it or we don't. Nobody questioned Hank Williams purity because he didn't play "country music" the way the old irish folk singers did before settlers came to the US. It's a useless debate, imo.
Well I'm glad you've come to that conclusion after defending the pureness of Keith's reggae track in this thread with such passion. LOL Obviously the argument goes both ways, my friend. We are both listening to the same piece of music, who the heck cares what we call it? Sounds the same even it someone calls it polka.
i don't think the argument started because dandelion was forcing everyone to say that it was pure reggae, i think the argument started when people started to criticize those who did choose to call it reggae.
Not worth looking back to find out really, could be just the opposite. But statements like "Who are we to call something quasi reggae" infers that people don't have the right to call it whatever they want. If I say song X is quasi reggae it's just my opinion, much different than saying "you don't have the right to call it "pure reggae".
The difference is expressing an opinion and telling others they don't have the right to do so. One comment is directed at the song, one at the poster. Again I apologize for suggesting people should put on a Marley record to gain perspective on pure reggae. That was an example of a comment directed at other posters, I should have worded it differently, my bad.
I like others here are looking forward to having the whole record in hand and listening to it from beginning to end. I've just got a feeling I will end up appreciating it more that way, for it's diversity, Keith obvious creativity and the way it was recorded which so far I'm generally impressed with.
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i heard it in the radio and thought it has some similarities with Robbed Blind
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We are both listening to the same piece of music, who the heck cares what we call it? Sounds the same even it someone calls it polka.
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Keith can't help being born in the 40s. He plays and writes the music he loves. Who are we to question "pureness" or to call something "quasi-reggae, LOL".
Either we like it or we don't. Nobody questioned Hank Williams purity because he didn't play "country music" the way the old irish folk singers did before settlers came to the US. It's a useless debate, imo.
Well I'm glad you've come to that conclusion after defending the pureness of Keith's reggae track in this thread with such passion. LOL Obviously the argument goes both ways, my friend. We are both listening to the same piece of music, who the heck cares what we call it? Sounds the same even it someone calls it polka.
i don't think the argument started because dandelion was forcing everyone to say that it was pure reggae, i think the argument started when people started to criticize those who did choose to call it reggae.
Not worth looking back to find out really, could be just the opposite. But statements like "Who are we to call something quasi reggae" infers that people don't have the right to call it whatever they want. If I say song X is quasi reggae it's just my opinion, much different than saying "you don't have the right to call it "pure reggae".
The difference is expressing an opinion and telling others they don't have the right to do so. One comment is directed at the song, one at the poster. Again I apologize for suggesting people should put on a Marley record to gain perspective on pure reggae. That was an example of a comment directed at other posters, I should have worded it differently, my bad.
I like others here are looking forward to having the whole record in hand and listening to it from beginning to end. I've just got a feeling I will end up appreciating it more that way, for it's diversity, Keith obvious creativity and the way it was recorded which so far I'm generally impressed with.
It's more about questioning why you feel the need to "teach" us about reggae, as you diss the track the very minute it was released. It has nothing to do with what you're entitled to or not - or your opinion per se.
Your criticism gave you away as a reggae novice, hence my comment (and others).
But that's okay. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, of course. Like we agreed on, "purity" is a useless debate. Let's move on.
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Isn't it a bit boring to be a Stones fan if not even Keith's guitar moves you?
I'm just trying to see it from your perspective, LongBeachArena72. It's probably been 42 years since the Stones did something interesting, their sound nowadays is boring, Mick makes lousy records, Keith stinks. What DO you like?
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Isn't it a bit boring to be a Stones fan if not even Keith's guitar moves you?
I'm just trying to see it from your perspective, LongBeachArena72. It's probably been 42 years since the Stones did something interesting, their sound nowadays is boring, Mick makes lousy records, Keith stinks. What DO you like?
I'll assume you're asking "what DO you like from the last 42 years?"
Here goes:
--About half of GHS, IORR, B&B, SG, and TY
--About a third of ER, UNDERCOVER
--None of DIRTY WORK
--"Mixed Emotions" and "Almost Hear You Sigh"
--"Love is Strong" and "Thru and Thru"
--"Flip the Switch" (can't resist that "little shaving kit" line)
--"Let Me Down Slow," "It Won't Take Long," and "Dangerous Beauty"
That's about it. Can't listen to any post-L&G live albums.
Other than that, I mostly listen these days to Bach and Charlie Parker. And I can't get the theme song from Thomas the Tank Engine out of my head, either, since my 22-month-old freak of a son is addicted to that damn show!