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Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: December 11, 2024 19:50

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I've just scored excellent tickets for Saturday night in Manchester at face. A bunch of them have suddenly appeared, dotted about all over the arena. Maybe they're insurance returns.

What time to you think these Manchester shows will end? Is their a curfew of 10:30 like they have at London shows? I’m looking to stay in Liverpool and the last train from Manchester is around 11:30pm.

In Madrid yesterday the show started at 21:00 and ended at 23:30 !

And what a show. He's as good today as he was back in December 2018, which was the last time I saw him. The band is superb. All in all, he still delivers bigtime !


In the UK I believe there's a curfew of 10.30 for outdoor shows and 11pm for indoor shows. If you're a fast walker, you can do it in 25 minutes.

Here is some useful information for you. There is a one off extra late train to Liverpool at 1am which must be booked in advance:

[uk.news.yahoo.com]

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: Halup ()
Date: December 11, 2024 21:19

Thanks for the info. On Saturday I’ve seen the last train leaving at 11:38 I believe, but I am a fast walker and could make it in time and the extra late train on Sunday will help as a back up.

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: December 11, 2024 21:33

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Thanks for the info. On Saturday I’ve seen the last train leaving at 11:38 I believe, but I am a fast walker and could make it in time and the extra late train on Sunday will help as a back up.

You'll make it. There's a well lit walkway all the way to Picadilly

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Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: Halup ()
Date: December 11, 2024 23:46

I had read about how they encourage walking to and from the venue, so this is great. I missed your Monday post about Manchester 1 tickets being released, but saw the night 2 that were offered. As I was looking at them they all sold. In 2018, I flew over for the Liverpool, Glasgow and London shows without tickets and ended up with released floor tickets for all 3. Liverpool and London I got on a release on the day, but I’m not sure if it will be the same way this time.

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: bitusa2012 ()
Date: December 12, 2024 10:42

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Great vids, thanks for posting. Looking forward to Tuesday ............

Great VIDEOS indeed. But gee, he’s a legend, he’s got a great canon of material (the prime stuff being with The Beatles), but good grief. Helter Skelter and Band of the Run are TERRIBLE vocally. Drive my Car and Carry that Weight/The End are not that much better. Love me Do is ok, but unfortunately I hate that song! He cannot hit/hold any notes apart from the very low ones and even then his nasal quality overpowers his vocal. Compared to Mick Jagger?? He’s not in the same league vocally now, I’m sorry. I’d hate to pay good money to hear this show.

Rod

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: December 12, 2024 18:48

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Great vids, thanks for posting. Looking forward to Tuesday ............

Great VIDEOS indeed. But gee, he’s a legend, he’s got a great canon of material (the prime stuff being with The Beatles), but good grief. Helter Skelter and Band of the Run are TERRIBLE vocally. Drive my Car and Carry that Weight/The End are not that much better. Love me Do is ok, but unfortunately I hate that song! He cannot hit/hold any notes apart from the very low ones and even then his nasal quality overpowers his vocal. Compared to Mick Jagger?? He’s not in the same league vocally now, I’m sorry. I’d hate to pay good money to hear this show.

He really, really shouldn't be doing 2 consecutive nights imho and should have stopped doing so years ago. Yet on this mini tour he's doing 4 pairs of consecutive nights, possibly to save money on hiring out the venue for less time? I understand he won't drink water on stage, which I'm sure would help him. We've all seen Mick drinking gallons of the stuff. No leaving the stage for a couple of songs mid show either and he plays at least half an hour longer than the Stones.

I totally agree about Mick's singing being light years ahead of Paul's at this stage of the game. I understand his doctor told him to stop doing 2 consecutive nights at around 60yo and he complied immediately. He looks after himself like a well oiled machine to ensure that his audience get the best possible show within the limits of what he can still do at 81yo. Whatever moans people may have about ticket prices, there's a highly professional work ethic there and the man truly is a force of nature. Willie Nelson's still going at 90 and I wont' be shocked if our man does the same.

That all said, I still love Paul's shows. His voice may be shot but the instrumental ability's all present and correct and he and his band still put on a helluva show. I'll be there on Saturday and I'll find a way to be there next Tuesday too.

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Date: December 12, 2024 18:54

Hi grzegorz67, if you mean next Wednesday at the O2 in London, there are a number of tickets available now.......just depends where you want to sit and how much you want to pay!

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: December 12, 2024 18:57

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I had read about how they encourage walking to and from the venue, so this is great. I missed your Monday post about Manchester 1 tickets being released, but saw the night 2 that were offered. As I was looking at them they all sold. In 2018, I flew over for the Liverpool, Glasgow and London shows without tickets and ended up with released floor tickets for all 3. Liverpool and London I got on a release on the day, but I’m not sure if it will be the same way this time.

There was only one show in London in 2018 despite there clearly being demand for at least 2. There were no gaps in the venue diary. I only got in, big thanks to a poster I know on here with a spare. With 2 shows this year, London should be easier. There were a handful of drops for both London shows for the back of Block B on the floor this morning - all now gone. I was in B Row X in 2018 and it was still very enjoyable that far back, especially with Ringo and Ronnie both guesting on 'Get Back'. I will probably travel ticketless on the day and see what I can grab. I'm only 80 miles away from London.

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: December 12, 2024 19:16

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Hi grzegorz67, if you mean next Wednesday at the O2 in London, there are a number of tickets available now.......just depends where you want to sit and how much you want to pay!

Is that on AXS ? I've been mostly using Ticketmaster but I checked AXS a short time ago and saw a fair few, including some below face resales! I'll wait it out for better opportunities nearer the time. I have the 18th and morning of 19th booked off work so will definitely be travelling in. The last time I was at the O2 was the last time Macca played there!

Thanks anyway MOWAT. All tips welcome smiling smiley In my experience at least, the O2 was usually one of the easiest venues to score last minute good tickets for.



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Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Date: December 12, 2024 19:22

Yes....on AXS via the O2 site

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: GasLightStreet ()
Date: December 12, 2024 19:24

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Great vids, thanks for posting. Looking forward to Tuesday ............

Great VIDEOS indeed. But gee, he’s a legend, he’s got a great canon of material (the prime stuff being with The Beatles), but good grief. Helter Skelter and Band of the Run are TERRIBLE vocally. Drive my Car and Carry that Weight/The End are not that much better. Love me Do is ok, but unfortunately I hate that song! He cannot hit/hold any notes apart from the very low ones and even then his nasal quality overpowers his vocal. Compared to Mick Jagger?? He’s not in the same league vocally now, I’m sorry. I’d hate to pay good money to hear this show.

He really, really shouldn't be doing 2 consecutive nights imho and should have stopped doing so years ago. Yet on this mini tour he's doing 4 pairs of consecutive nights, possibly to save money on hiring out the venue for less time? I understand he won't drink water on stage, which I'm sure would help him. We've all seen Mick drinking gallons of the stuff. No leaving the stage for a couple of songs mid show either and he plays at least half an hour longer than the Stones.

I totally agree about Mick's singing being light years ahead of Paul's at this stage of the game. I understand his doctor told him to stop doing 2 consecutive nights at around 60yo and he complied immediately. He looks after himself like a well oiled machine to ensure that his audience get the best possible show within the limits of what he can still do at 81yo. Whatever moans people may have about ticket prices, there's a highly professional work ethic there and the man truly is a force of nature. Willie Nelson's still going at 90 and I wont' be shocked if our man does the same.

That all said, I still love Paul's shows. His voice may be shot but the instrumental ability's all present and correct and he and his band still put on a helluva show. I'll be there on Saturday and I'll find a way to be there next Tuesday too.

Saw McMcartney in 2019 at the arena in New Orleans. Great show but a few songs were a bit off, vocal wise. And nothing as much as those videos - some really bad vocals.

Of course the comparison to Mick is only age relevant. Mick was flat on quite a few songs in 2024. That's very likely age revealing itself, some Bob Dylan doesn't need to worry about. Or Willie, who hasn't really sung a complete song in probably 40 years.

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: December 12, 2024 19:50

I'm likely going to upset some people with my comments. But Mick was never the vocalist Paul was. I'm not surprised his voice is in the condition it is. Maybe Mick is smart not to push it too hard? Whatever the reason I feel compelled to say if you're planning on missing Paul because of bad vocals and you haven't seen him and want to, you would be making a mistake. That's my opinion. The guy is 82 and soon enough we'll all be wishing we had a choice to go or not. Best wishes to everyone going in the UK. I think it will be special. Enjoy!

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: RollingFreak ()
Date: December 12, 2024 21:14

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I'm likely going to upset some people with my comments. But Mick was never the vocalist Paul was. I'm not surprised his voice is in the condition it is. Maybe Mick is smart not to push it too hard? Whatever the reason I feel compelled to say if you're planning on missing Paul because of bad vocals and you haven't seen him and want to, you would be making a mistake. That's my opinion. The guy is 82 and soon enough we'll all be wishing we had a choice to go or not. Best wishes to everyone going in the UK. I think it will be special. Enjoy!

Is that a controversial opinion? I love what Mick adds to the band, as a frontman, as a writer, and as a vocalist. But he was never an "incredible" singer. He works for what they do, and I can't imagine anyone else singing those songs with the band. He's great, but Paul is a totally different vocalist. He could be very quiet with something like I Will, or screaming his head off with Oh Darling or Long Tall Sally. Paul has a gift for melody, which is why he gets compared to people like Mozart regularly, and he's got a voice that can do a lot. Mick, on the other hand, writes an excellent song and conveys/sings it well, but his strength is without a doubt as a frontman extraordinaire. Mick has a very distinct voice where you know him immediately when he shows up in a track, but he's no Freddie Mercury. Nor has I feel he's even tried to be or argued otherwise.

As for Paul, his vocals have diminished over the years. It comes and goes. I saw him be awful on SNL then I saw him 6 months later live and he was totally fine, and not just cause I was there. Clearly the one off performance on SNL was just rust. It wouldn't shock me he's worse now. Having said that, I saw him 2 years ago. I don't really remember if he was perfect vocally; I'm sure he wasn't. But that's not my lasting memory of the show. I'd seen him twice before, but figured this could legitimately be it. I wouldn't expect him to sound as good as he did when I saw him 10 years earlier, but I thought he was fantastic. It's a great show, and he's got a great energy that really carries any negatives IMO. Sure I guess that's giving him a pass, but he's truly a living legend, and let's be honest when you're at one of his shows you're singing along anyway. Doesn't totally matter how HIS voice is. Also, he's still very good on certain songs. I don't know, he's too legendary and not embarrassing enough that I'd ever tell anyone to miss it. I went cause I really thought I'd regret not seeing him one more time and I'm truly glad I did. Everyone should if they have the opportunity. I leave a Stones show in awe that they are still up there doing it at a high level, its very impressive. But I leave a Paul show with a renewed sense of life and music. You gotta appreciate these guys while they're here, not everyone will be so lucky to live in the same time as the Beatles in the flesh.

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: December 13, 2024 10:22

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Is that a controversial opinion?

I still remember a time here on IORR when I mentioned anything about The Beatles I would get seriously blasted. But no, I'm not trying to be controversial.

By the way I agree about your comments of Mick's value, I couldn't describe it that well myself.

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: GeirGG ()
Date: December 13, 2024 11:01

Just got back from two brilliant gigs in Madrid, and doing two more in Manchester. I don’t have a problem with his voice not being what is was at all. He is the most important composer of the last hundred years, and still a great live artist. He is 82 and looks fantastic, plays great and seem to be in top form. If you sit at home and watch Youtube videoes of concerts, you’ll never get the experience of being there. At this point his frail voice ads as much as it detracts. If he was JUST a singer then it might be a big deal, but as it is, it is just part of life and getting older. Not a problem.

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: paulywaul ()
Date: December 13, 2024 11:27

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Just got back from two brilliant gigs in Madrid, and doing two more in Manchester. I don’t have a problem with his voice not being what is was at all. He is the most important composer of the last hundred years, and still a great live artist. He is 82 and looks fantastic, plays great and seem to be in top form. If you sit at home and watch Youtube videoes of concerts, you’ll never get the experience of being there. At this point his frail voice ads as much as it detracts. If he was JUST a singer then it might be a big deal, but as it is, it is just part of life and getting older. Not a problem.

Hi Geir,

Glad you did both shows. I did the Tuesday one. Yes, he is on great form, and that band of his ... so slick and so professional, it beggars belief. To anyone who is hesitating, and who even has the slightest appreciation of McCartney's genius either as a Beatle or a subsequent solo artist, put that hesitation aside and just go and see the man. You will not be disappointed.

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: December 13, 2024 13:34

Glad to hear he ripped it in Madrid too ! Not surprising given his recent performances, but yes, here today (pun intended) and...gone tomorrow. I recently came across one of my videos of a John Mayall concert in 2019 when he was 85+ and while not quite as "mobile" as Paul he was perfectly "lively" too and now, well...

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Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: December 14, 2024 15:03

Plenty of availability for tonight on the primary vendor site of Ticketmaster. A few at the front sides that are obviously production seats and some resales now dropping below face. Wish I hadn't jumped as soon as I did tbh.

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: Beast ()
Date: December 14, 2024 16:04

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Is that a controversial opinion?

I still remember a time here on IORR when I mentioned anything about The Beatles I would get seriously blasted. But no, I'm not trying to be controversial.

By the way I agree about your comments of Mick's value, I couldn't describe it that well myself.

Ditto. And even Mick himself has said that he doesn't have a particularly good voice.

Whether Macca is in good voice, bad voice or somewhere in between, I'm still looking forward to seeing him in London next week.

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: December 15, 2024 02:11

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Is that a controversial opinion?

I still remember a time here on IORR when I mentioned anything about The Beatles I would get seriously blasted. But no, I'm not trying to be controversial.

By the way I agree about your comments of Mick's value, I couldn't describe it that well myself.

Ditto. And even Mick himself has said that he doesn't have a particularly good voice.

Whether Macca is in good voice, bad voice or somewhere in between, I'm still looking forward to seeing him in London next week.

And so you should. I'm just out of Manchester Show 1. A simply outstanding evening of entertainment. Excellent venue too, after its wobbly beginning. Will definitely aim to be at London Show 1 next week.

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: December 15, 2024 07:51

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Plenty of availability for tonight on the primary vendor site of Ticketmaster. A few at the front sides that are obviously production seats and some resales now dropping below face. Wish I hadn't jumped as soon as I did tbh.

And Sunday tickets were released later in the day. 143.50 GBP (+ Handling Fee £2.50). Still felt pricey for me, but I gave in. I’m in!

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: paulywaul ()
Date: December 15, 2024 11:35

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Is that a controversial opinion?

I still remember a time here on IORR when I mentioned anything about The Beatles I would get seriously blasted. But no, I'm not trying to be controversial.

By the way I agree about your comments of Mick's value, I couldn't describe it that well myself.

Ditto. And even Mick himself has said that he doesn't have a particularly good voice.

Whether Macca is in good voice, bad voice or somewhere in between, I'm still looking forward to seeing him in London next week.

And so you should. I'm just out of Manchester Show 1. A simply outstanding evening of entertainment. Excellent venue too, after its wobbly beginning. Will definitely aim to be at London Show 1 next week.

Yup, that's what the papers are saying ! A number of five star reviews !

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: paulywaul ()
Date: December 15, 2024 13:47

[www.yahoo.com]

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: December 15, 2024 14:18

"An underlying question that added a poignant charge to the whole shebang is how much longer the octogenarian trooper can keep on doing it with this much energy and commitment? The great Beatle is getting old, and it is starting to show. And I am not referring to the scruff of white beard barely covering saggy jowls. His voice is thinning, so that while McCartney still has his familiar tone and most of his notes, the depth and power is fading."

Poignant indeed...

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Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: paulywaul ()
Date: December 15, 2024 16:10

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"An underlying question that added a poignant charge to the whole shebang is how much longer the octogenarian trooper can keep on doing it with this much energy and commitment? The great Beatle is getting old, and it is starting to show. And I am not referring to the scruff of white beard barely covering saggy jowls. His voice is thinning, so that while McCartney still has his familiar tone and most of his notes, the depth and power is fading."

Poignant indeed...

Absolutely ! I can hardly bear to think about it to be honest !

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: December 15, 2024 18:11

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Plenty of availability for tonight on the primary vendor site of Ticketmaster. A few at the front sides that are obviously production seats and some resales now dropping below face. Wish I hadn't jumped as soon as I did tbh.

And Sunday tickets were released later in the day. 143.50 GBP (+ Handling Fee £2.50). Still felt pricey for me, but I gave in. I’m in!

Money well spent. You're going to have a great time. Just make sure you're in fairly early. There were problems last night and it made the local paper. I reached my seat 10 minutes before he came on and there was still a huge queue behind me. Entry is long and slow and there's a Manchester derby at the Etihad Stadium across the road, which ends at the same time as the doors open for Macca! I spoke to the tram staff on duty and they're sure it will be fine.

Exit was quite slow too and lots of people opted for the 25 minute walk to the city centre due to slow queues for the trams.I got home to Oxfordshire at 6am! Manchester's probably just a bit too far for a day trip for me nowadays.



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Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: paulywaul ()
Date: December 16, 2024 01:09

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[www.yahoo.com]

Guardian review ....

[www.theguardian.com]

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: CaptainCorella ()
Date: December 16, 2024 02:47

Also from The Grauniad here's an account of something else Paul got up to some time ago...

[www.theguardian.com]

Enjoy

Captain Corella

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: December 16, 2024 17:15

I'm in for the O2 on 18th. Section 112 Row R of the 'lower bowl' for face (non premium in any way). I'm happy with that for what could end up being my 10th and final Macca show. Looks like it will provide a very decent view of proceedings.

AXS/O2 is currently the best source of tickets for the O2 shows so thanks to MoW&T for recommending. For the real poker players out there, I'm sure even better tickets will pop up nearer showtime but I have peace of mind now winking smiley

Much to their credit, both AXS and Ticketmaster (Yes I'm even giving them Credit) have a resale process whereby tickets can be sold for a maximum of face with their resale admin fee of 15% or so added. I used it to sell my spare for Manchester 1 though they do ask for a passport scan and bank statement to repay the money, which I thought was a bit excessive. No idea why they can't just re-credit the payment card.

Any reports from anyone attending the Sunday show?

Re: OT: Paul McCartney stuff
Posted by: RisingStone ()
Date: December 16, 2024 18:05

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Money well spent.

Definitely. Worth every penny.

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You're going to have a great time.

I did. Absolutely. I didn’t think I would TBHWY.

It was a celebration of his musical talent and career spanning over the 60-plus years. So much fun and euphoria reigning over the place last night.

I, too, would give five stars without hesitation. And this from someone who had seen Macca live eight times, 2002-2018 — in Osaka (twice), Liverpool (twice), London, Manchester, Birmingham and Glasgow.

Blame YouTube. Forget about the fixed setlist. Being there wins everything.

Fab.

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