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It's possible that Pasche copied Cefalau's version (who might have copied the Beatles song book version), and then Braun and his in house illustrators completed the design as we know it.
John Pasche was in London while Craig Braun and Ernie Cefalu were in New York. The still unfinished tongue design (a rough one-inch version) was faxed over from London to New York and was then redrawn. -- [www.NYTimes.com]
Great source Irix. Huge applause!!! Yay. Except the interview is an interview of Craig Braun, the very person who tried to steal credit for "School's Out - Alice Cooper" from Cefalu. Doubt that? I can post the actual letter from Shep Gordon stating that Craig tried to take credit for Ernie's work, same as he did with "Licks". So if you are going to quote the NY Times article, you are in fact supporting what I say. The Times article is full of inaccuracies.
And, I'm not Ernie Cefalu, nor his alter ego. He's a friend of mine. But hey, you believe what you want to believe. You saw it on the internet, so it must be true, right?
There is nothing wrong in defending a friend, but, as they say : "a proven lie remains a lie", friend's support or not. Go find the video recorded interview of Mick Jagger, watch it and ask yourself "Is HE a lier?" You mentioned the name "Mick" (and nothing else added) in one of you earlier mails. If this "Mick" is the one you suggest he is, and if he would support your story, than he would have to call himself a lier. Where was Ernie in early 1970, when the Stones management invited John Pasche for a meeting with Mick Jagger? Again, there is nothing wrong in defending a friend, but losing oneself in subjectivity and loss of sence of reality ... too sad. Having said that however, everyone is free to dream his/her dream. Be happy with it, but don't think Stones fans are stupid because they are on the Internet. They dig the best Rock 'n' Roll band around, started by Brian Jones and not by somebody named "Ernie".
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It's possible that Pasche copied Cefalau's version (who might have copied the Beatles song book version), and then Braun and his in house illustrators completed the design as we know it.
John Pasche was in London while Craig Braun and Ernie Cefalu were in New York. The still unfinished tongue design (a rough one-inch version) was faxed over from London to New York and was then redrawn. -- [www.NYTimes.com]
Great source Irix. Huge applause!!! Yay. Except the interview is an interview of Craig Braun, the very person who tried to steal credit for "School's Out - Alice Cooper" from Cefalu. Doubt that? I can post the actual letter from Shep Gordon stating that Craig tried to take credit for Ernie's work, same as he did with "Licks". So if you are going to quote the NY Times article, you are in fact supporting what I say. The Times article is full of inaccuracies.
And, I'm not Ernie Cefalu, nor his alter ego. He's a friend of mine. But hey, you believe what you want to believe. You saw it on the internet, so it must be true, right?
There is nothing wrong in defending a friend, but, as they say : "a proven lie remains a lie", friend's support or not. Go find the video recorded interview of Mick Jagger, watch it and ask yourself "Is HE a lier?" You mentioned the name "Mick" (and nothing else added) in one of you earlier mails. If this "Mick" is the one you suggest he is, and if he would support your story, than he would have to call himself a lier. Where was Ernie in early 1970, when the Stones management invited John Pasche for a meeting with Mick Jagger? Again, there is nothing wrong in defending a friend, but losing oneself in subjectivity and loss of sence of reality ... too sad. Having said that however, everyone is free to dream his/her dream. Be happy with it, but don't think Stones fans are stupid because they are on the Internet. They dig the best Rock 'n' Roll band around, started by Brian Jones and not by somebody named "Ernie".
I didn't claim anyone other than Brian started the band, nor did I say anyone was stupid, but hey, if the shoe fits.....
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I am pretty sure that Pasche's logo with thick tongue was earlier than Cefalu's' but it could very well be that Pasche modified his original design after having seen Cefalu's design.
I also remember buying a Cefalu design logo pin many decades ago, thinking it was a counterfeit, but his interview made me think different.
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I am pretty sure that Pasche's logo with thick tongue was earlier than Cefalu's' but it could very well be that Pasche modified his original design after having seen Cefalu's design.
I also remember buying a Cefalu design logo pin many decades ago, thinking it was a counterfeit, but his interview made me think different.
Hmmm.
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I am pretty sure that Pasche's logo with thick tongue was earlier than Cefalu's' but it could very well be that Pasche modified his original design after having seen Cefalu's design.
I also remember buying a Cefalu design logo pin many decades ago, thinking it was a counterfeit, but his interview made me think different.
Hmmm.
I like your olive branch offer and .... thanks for reminding me of my early days remarks . Indeed, when I started this link I was also in the process of collecting as many facts as possible, and trust me, I went into the very deep. I was allowed (!!!) to see into original, properly stored, documents dating back to as far back as 1969 and I listened to Ernie's video interview many times (and sadly followed a really disgusting dispute on an Australian based site, which was wisely deleted at some point). Then there is the video interview with Pasche, and most importantly the video interview with Mick Jagger in combination with documents signed by him. Also, don't forget Keith Richards famous 1971 interview in Rolling Stone. I also communicated with Pasche as well as Marshall Chess and some whose names I am not allowed to mention. Speculation is dangerous and can be misleading. The only thing that counts are proven (!) facts.
Long live The Rolling Stones!
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Hello and thank you Bjornuif
for allowing me an opporttunity to discuss and tell the side of the design that I had created for The Stones Tongue Logo on your site. I assume most of you know who I am and what I have done in the world of album covers but for thos that don't please take some tme to simply Google me. I have created 233 to date and am currently working on 3 more for relesae this year. I welcome any and all questions that you might have regarding any or all of my covers. I am always slammed with work and travel but will make a concerned effort to respond to your inquires in a timely manner.
Thank you - Ernie Cefalu Point Of connection Expert
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What do you mean by "all of my covers"?
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What do you mean by "all of my covers"?
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georgie48
Looking forward to read the exact date on which he joined Braun's company
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georgie48
If I read that story correctly he even claims to have been involved with the Sticky Fingers album???
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GasLightStreet
Any idea what the supposed pre-STICKY FINGERS merchandise with the lips was?
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edog
I have read a lot of these comments about my contribution to The Stones Tongue logo and I would be remiss if I didn't say they all crack me up. Everyone talks like they were there when I created my original version at the begining of 1971 up in Craig's art department. I say, what you really know... only what you have read. Well here's the reality to it all... none of you were there with me and if you wern't then how do you know. Also if you, the nay sayers took the time to see how really different the two logo versions are and the fact that The Stones used both mine and John's versions at the exact same time it might bring a better understanding. Quite honestly, I am tired of being miss quoted and my words twisted, so if you Email me directly at: ernie@originalalbumcoverart.com I will be more that happy to address each and every response and inquire as best I can. Thank you and I will look forward to hearing from you my fellow Stones Lovers. LONG LIVE ROCK & ROLL... LONG LIVE THE ROLLING STONRES! - Ernie
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roller99
I think The Stones DID use "Craig Braun's" version.
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Cristiano Radtke
I haven't read the entire thread so this was possibly already posted before, but Ernie's logo has been used until very recently on official T-shirts:
[therollingstonesshop.com]
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georgie48
It's not (was never) Ernie's (and since the Braun deal of 3 years was finished decades ago, not Braun's either). It was and is owned by The Rolling Stones .....