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roller99, JOHN PASCHE did The Rolling Stones logo. Craig Braun's company via Marshall Chess updated it.
That's it.
For THE LAST TIME, there is no other official logo creator than JOHN PASCHE.
Said.
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Officially and contractually it appears that way, but there's much more to the story than a piece of paper.
And for the record, I'm open to all interpretations and not taking sides, just calling it like I see it.
Cefalu's work sucks. Even Ray Charles can see that. As you said, like you see it. And what Ray Charles sees is a 4th grader's work.
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Officially and contractually it appears that way, but there's much more to the story than a piece of paper.
And for the record, I'm open to all interpretations and not taking sides, just calling it like I see it.
Cefalu's work sucks. Even Ray Charles can see that. As you said, like you see it. And what Ray Charles sees is a 4th grader's work.
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By the way, there's this (from 1970). Notice a resemblance?
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Is it true that Mick owns the rights to the tongue logo?
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What's your point? Do YOU think someone would have done this ad if they didn't have the rights to those images?
At least your advertising picture doesn't prove that Ernie Cefalu did his first design of the Tongue&Lips logo before February 1971 or before John Pasche in 1970 ....
OMG, are you that thick? Why would a well-known company place an ad like that? Don't you get that Craig Braun's company created the first tongue. Craig owned the company, and Ernie worked for Craig. What do you know about this? Were you there when it happened, or do you know any of these people?
No, I didn't think so. Or maybe I should post a picture of something called "Dolls Alive", which was an album and a poster for a show done in 1969 that had the exact set of lips, minus the tongue, also done by Cefalu, for......wait for it.....Decca Records. It predates the whole f**king thing. That's the connection between Decca and Craig Braun. Yes, I know, SF was not on Decca. But the tongue design went that far back.
I guess you don't understand that this kind of thing, where one guy designs something, the client says "I don't like it", then takes it to another artist is common practice.
Would it mean more to you if I found the email that was sent I think three weeks ago, from Mrs. Ex Marshall Chess, stating that these facts are true? Would that satisfy?
I tell you, next time I see Mick I'm gonna ask him and get him on record, just to put this to bed.
Those are my facts. What exactly are your's?
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Would it mean more to you if I found the email that was sent I think three weeks ago, from Mrs. Ex Marshall Chess, stating that these facts are true? Would that satisfy?
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By the way, there's this (from 1970). Notice a resemblance?
Resemblances like these before:
1967 - Tom Wesselmann, Expo Mouth #10 -- [iorr.org]
1969 - Alan Aldridge's 'Day Tripper' illustration (here compared with the 1st North American Edition of 'Sticky Fingers' 1971).
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Would it mean more to you if I found the email that was sent I think three weeks ago, from Mrs. Ex Marshall Chess, stating that these facts are true? Would that satisfy?
Personally I think it would be very helpful if you could add Mrs. Chess' recollections to this thread..
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Would it mean more to you if I found the email that was sent I think three weeks ago, from Mrs. Ex Marshall Chess, stating that these facts are true? Would that satisfy?
Personally I think it would be very helpful if you could add Mrs. Chess' recollections to this thread..
She did reply. Her email stated "I was with Marshall duing that whole time. I know you did it". I'm paraphrasing as I can't post the actual email yet for undisclosed reasons. In time, it will be published.
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Would it mean more to you if I found the email that was sent I think three weeks ago, from Mrs. Ex Marshall Chess, stating that these facts are true? Would that satisfy?
Personally I think it would be very helpful if you could add Mrs. Chess' recollections to this thread..
She did reply. Her email stated "I was with Marshall duing that whole time. I know you did it". I'm paraphrasing as I can't post the actual email yet for undisclosed reasons. In time, it will be published.
Are you saying that you designed the logo?
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Would it mean more to you if I found the email that was sent I think three weeks ago, from Mrs. Ex Marshall Chess, stating that these facts are true? Would that satisfy?
Personally I think it would be very helpful if you could add Mrs. Chess' recollections to this thread..
She did reply. Her email stated "I was with Marshall duing that whole time. I know you did it". I'm paraphrasing as I can't post the actual email yet for undisclosed reasons. In time, it will be published.
Are you saying that you designed the logo?
No. I'm not Ernie Cefalu.
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Officially and contractually it appears that way, but there's much more to the story than a piece of paper.
And for the record, I'm open to all interpretations and not taking sides, just calling it like I see it.
Cefalu's work sucks. Even Ray Charles can see that. As you said, like you see it. And what Ray Charles sees is a 4th grader's work.
I know it's a matter of taste and all art is subjective, but as an artist myself I've always admired his work.
From Album Cover Hall of Fame website - see some of his great work here:
Featured Album Cover Artist Portfolio – Ernie Cefalu and Pacific Eye and Ear
And this might be of interest, though it might have already been posted in this thread somewhere
"As a young designer in the late 60’s, Ernie had the honor and privilege of working side by side with many great, emerging artists. Ernie’s drive and passion for excellence led him to a new chapter in 1970 when he joined forces with Craig Braun, Inc. in New York. Knowing the importance of first impressions, he wanted to make a mark on his first assignments. The results have become rock icons – the tongue logo for The Rolling Stones and the rule-breaking Sticky Fingers album. Three months later, Ernie opened a satellite office for the agency in California where he would be the head Art Director. The hits kept coming for Ernie.. Alice Cooper’s School’s Out, Cheech & Chong’s Big Bambu, and Captain Beyond, among others".
I didn't know he designed the cover for Big Bambu- my older bro used to have that album back in '72/73. We'd listen and laugh for hours on end.
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Would it mean more to you if I found the email that was sent I think three weeks ago, from Mrs. Ex Marshall Chess, stating that these facts are true? Would that satisfy?
Personally I think it would be very helpful if you could add Mrs. Chess' recollections to this thread..
She did reply. Her email stated "I was with Marshall duing that whole time. I know you did it". I'm paraphrasing as I can't post the actual email yet for undisclosed reasons. In time, it will be published.
Are you saying that you designed the logo?
No. I'm not Ernie Cefalu.
I'm sorry, but in that case I guess I don't understand what "I know you did it" means. Can you please clarify?
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Would it mean more to you if I found the email that was sent I think three weeks ago, from Mrs. Ex Marshall Chess, stating that these facts are true? Would that satisfy?
Personally I think it would be very helpful if you could add Mrs. Chess' recollections to this thread..
She did reply. Her email stated "I was with Marshall duing that whole time. I know you did it". I'm paraphrasing as I can't post the actual email yet for undisclosed reasons. In time, it will be published.
Are you saying that you designed the logo?
No. I'm not Ernie Cefalu.
I'm sorry, but in that case I guess I don't understand what "I know you did it" means. Can you please clarify?
Happy to. I'm quoting D. Chess, Marshall's wife. Her email to E. Cefalu is regarding the origi The letter will be published in the future. Gaslightstreet, don't bother to reply, you're just trolling for a reaction, which you won't get.
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Happy to. I'm quoting D. Chess, Marshall's wife. Her email to E. Cefalu is regarding the origi The letter will be published in the future.
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It's possible that Pasche copied Cefalau's version (who might have copied the Beatles song book version), and then Braun and his in house illustrators completed the design as we know it.
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It's possible that Pasche copied Cefalau's version (who might have copied the Beatles song book version), and then Braun and his in house illustrators completed the design as we know it.
John Pasche was in London while Craig Braun and Ernie Cefalu were in New York. The still unfinished tongue design (a rough one-inch version) was faxed over from London to New York and was then redrawn. -- [www.NYTimes.com]
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"Back in London, John Pasche, a student at the Royal College of Art, worked on a logo for the band and its new label. Mr. Jagger had been inspired by the tongue of the Hindu goddess Kali, Mr. Pasche recalled, “but I didn’t want to do anything Indian, because I thought it would be very dated quickly, as everyone was going through that phase at the time.” Still, Kali’s mouth and lips “triggered something,” he said. (It didn’t hurt that Mr. Jagger had a recognizable mouth himself.)
In New York, Mr. Braun had a deadline and needed the logo. As the tongue design was still unfinished, he settled for a rough one-inch version, faxed over from London by Marshall Chess, the founding president of Rolling Stones Records. “I didn’t tell him what I was going to do with it,” Mr. Braun said".
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It's possible that Pasche copied Cefalau's version (who might have copied the Beatles song book version), and then Braun and his in house illustrators completed the design as we know it.
I'm not completely sold on the story that Pasche's tongue was inspired by the tongue of the Hindu goddess Kali.
Sounds like a good story (to cover up the true origin), but also sounds bogus imo.
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It's possible that Pasche copied Cefalau's version (who might have copied the Beatles song book version), and then Braun and his in house illustrators completed the design as we know it.
John Pasche was in London while Craig Braun and Ernie Cefalu were in New York. The still unfinished tongue design (a rough one-inch version) was faxed over from London to New York and was then redrawn. -- [www.NYTimes.com]
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Except the interview is an interview of Craig Braun, the very person who tried to steal credit for "School's Out - Alice Cooper" from Cefalu. Doubt that? I can post the actual letter from Shep Gordon stating that Craig tried to take credit for Ernie's work, same as he did with "Licks".
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Except the interview is an interview of Craig Braun, the very person who tried to steal credit for "School's Out - Alice Cooper" from Cefalu. Doubt that? I can post the actual letter from Shep Gordon stating that Craig tried to take credit for Ernie's work, same as he did with "Licks".
The letter was already posted by yourself here: [iorr.org] .
Personal differences between Craig Braun and Ernie Cefalu are another matter and both should clarify it between themselves. If Ernie Cefalu was under contract at Craig Braun's Sound Packaging Corporation then normally all work done as an employee (in this case Ernie Cefalu) belongs the employer (in this case Craig Braun) ....
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It's possible that Pasche copied Cefalau's version (who might have copied the Beatles song book version), and then Braun and his in house illustrators completed the design as we know it.
John Pasche was in London while Craig Braun and Ernie Cefalu were in New York. The still unfinished tongue design (a rough one-inch version) was faxed over from London to New York and was then redrawn. -- [www.NYTimes.com]
Great source Irix. Huge applause!!! Yay. Except the interview is an interview of Craig Braun, the very person who tried to steal credit for "School's Out - Alice Cooper" from Cefalu. Doubt that? I can post the actual letter from Shep Gordon stating that Craig tried to take credit for Ernie's work, same as he did with "Licks". So if you are going to quote the NY Times article, you are in fact supporting what I say. The Times article is full of inaccuracies.
And, I'm not Ernie Cefalu, nor his alter ego. He's a friend of mine. But hey, you believe what you want to believe. You saw it on the internet, so it must be true, right?