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Bitches Brew
The fact is that more than one design was made, and that the Pasche's one was the final one, but not his idea. And there is also that design from Alan Aldridge from 1969...
Considering it is still being modified and (over)used I'm not sure "final one" has much meaning here. peace
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Bitches Brew
[...] And there is also that design from Alan Aldridge from 1969...
Cool man and thanks for all the cool tongues you posted above, they are totally cool and always will be cool.Quote
GasLightStreet
In one of the audio tracks with Spotify about STICKY FINGERS Mick talks about John Pasche and how Mick had seen the tongue of Kali. Cefalu had zero to do with the logo that is known as their logo.
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GasLightStreet
In one of the audio tracks with Spotify about STICKY FINGERS Mick talks about John Pasche and how Mick had seen the tongue of Kali. Cefalu had zero to do with the logo that is known as their logo.
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Irix
From Cover Story:
"In the words of designer, John Pasche -
In 1969, Mick Jagger’s office rang the Royal College of Art in London and asked if there was a suitable design student to come up with designs for their 1970 European Tour poster. I was recommended and on 29 April 1970 Jo Bergman, who was running the Stone's office at the time, wrote to me to confirm that they had commissioned me to design a poster for their forthcoming tour. At this time, I was in my final year of a graduate design course. I was very honored when Mick Jagger turned up at the College to see my final degree show as the artwork that would ultimately be used for the poster was on display in one of the exhibits.
A short time later, I met with Mick again, who then asked me to design a logo or symbol for The Rolling Stone's new record label. Mick showed me an image of the Goddess Kali which became the starting point to our discussion regarding the design of the logo. I was paid £50 for the design, which took me about a week to complete. In 1972 I was paid an additional £200 in recognition of the logo's success."
From the UnCovered Interview with Ernie Cefalu:
"I remember it was a really cold rainy Friday at the beginning of February 1971, and Jack had set up a 2:00pm meeting for me at the Concept Packaging offices at 53rd and Madison. As I headed uptown, I felt like a kid that was on his way to the first day at a new school, ready to encounter new people and surroundings. All I was told by Jack was that Craig knew who I was, what I had done with Superstar and that they were excited about meeting with me."
If John Pasche has conceived the first sketch of the Lips&Tongue logo already in 1970 then John Pasche is the first designer, because Ernie Cefalu started to work for Craig Braun earliest in February 1971.
Perhaps someone dares to ask John Pasche himself: www.johnpasche.com .
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GasLightStreet
That's what some people are not understanding - that Pasche came up with the logo. Cefalu did not come up with the logo. Jagger has made that as clear as clear can be. And if people want to say 'well on the website it says blah blah blah' it's the website of a band that can't get their own credits correct on the original album releases yet alone reissues. Or with that trivia thing, that's not the Stones anyway.
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GasLightStreet
That's what some people are not understanding - that Pasche came up with the logo. Cefalu did not come up with the logo. Jagger has made that as clear as clear can be. And if people want to say 'well on the website it says blah blah blah' it's the website of a band that can't get their own credits correct on the original album releases yet alone reissues. Or with that trivia thing, that's not the Stones anyway.
No worries GLS. I'm sure Pasche came up with the logo used on the record. It's also pretty clear that Cefalu came up with his own version. They are different enough that it's fair to give each one credit for their work. I don't think either artist is lying, here is a link to a detailed Cefalu interview...clearly the guy was involved. Not sure why you don't believe him and dislike him so much.
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Bitches Brew
[...] And there is also that design from Alan Aldridge from 1969...
This Illustration is contained in the Book 'The Beatles Illustrated Lyrics' by Alan Aldridge, according to this Post already in the 1st Edition from 1969. The Illustration seems to belong to the Song 'Day Tripper' and is to find in the Book around on Page 110/111. Compared to the classic Stones Lips & Tongue logo it has a striking resemblance ....
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Hairball
After seeing the above it seems obvious the tongue design originated with Alan Aldridge.
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Naturalust
Thanks roller, we will look forward to your more detailed story.
I'm not sure the details without reviewing more info here but I thought Pasche's copyright date might have preceded a potential meeting with Marshall Chess and I always suspected that date might have been altered to protect his interests in the whole affair in light of the controversy...I may be wrong.
But I agree, it's pretty obvious they both worked on it. Is it confirmed that Pasche actually received a copy of Cefalu's art before he started working on it? I recall him only mentioned the Kail tongue as a early reference.