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Before I got to your post I was going to say I'm voting for McCartney, because he was able to sound more like James Jamerson!
Better, imo. At least as a live act. Of course they haven't made a good record in decades, same as the Stones.
Ian Stewart had similar restrictions on piano.
Well, as I found out just last month from having attended a McCartney concert at one point where he held his bass up by the neck and lifted it above his head to acknowledge the crowd after playing a song and then switching to another guitar, he does not in fact have the Rooftop Concert set list taped to the back of his Hofner bass, though I read somewhere that he had.
For the show, he brought out the very guitar he played on the Sgt. Pepper album, an Epiphone Casino, and used it to play Paperback Writer.
It has been my impression that the Hofner he uses now is the 1962 model that he has used since the mid-60s, but this too may not be correct. The wiki page above states that just the original Hamburg 1961 model was "nicked" from Abbey Road Studios during the recording of Let It be, but in the clip below (during a webcast answering fan questions at the time Flaming Pie was released) Paul clearly states that he had "a couple" that were stolen. So one is left to wonder: Is the one he presently uses, the 1962 model, the actual one he was given by the Hofner company in 1963, or did he have to replace this one also to play on Abbey Road? Or is it neither? He mentions that he presently has two such Hofners, one that he uses as a back-up, so presumably he acquired one or both of them after The Beatles....
I like!
As Bands: (musically)
1/ The Beatles
2/ The Rolling Stones
3/ The Kinks
4/ The Who
Songwriting:
1/ Lennon/McCartney
2/ Jagger Richard
3/ Ray Davies
4/ Pete Townshend
Best voice:
1/ John Lennon
2/ Mick Jagger
3/ Ray Davies
4/ Roger Daltrey
Best Rhythm:
1/ Keith Richards/Pete Townshend
3/ John Lennon/Dave Davies
Best Bass:
1/ Paul McCartney
2/ Bill Wyman
3/ John Entwhistle
4/ Pete Quaife
Best Drums:
1/ Charlie Watts/Ringo Starr/Keith Moon
4/ Mick Avory
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that is your opinion so it can't be wrong but that is almost exactly the opposite of how i would rank that stuff
whoever made that comment that its kids stuff is retarded and clearly knows nothing about drumming, how to play drums, keiths influences or listened to isolated drum tracks of keith in the who songs. part of what made keith so good and cool in the who was the fact he was a big fan of surf music nd incorporated that into his drumming even though the who are a hard rock band. he is playing faster and heavier than most surf drummers but a lot of his fills are clear rave up surf drumming
I'm not a big fan of emoticons, so my attempt at jocularity did not travel well apparently. You should watch that video--quite an amazing drummer for a 4 year old, that's why I posted it, because it's a heart-warming tribute to Moon's lasting legacy as a drumming influence. It's the right-pointing arrow in the middle of the clip, there you are, there's a good fellow....
Thant's cause The Who no longer do "THE WHO CONCERT" but rather "The Who (or what is left of them) playing the music created by The Who". Not taking any stand here but seeing them about 10 times since MSG 2000 and up until last June in Ireland, (all were post reunion The Who) I clearly noticed that they transformed from the stage of doing the classic what you expect The Who to sound live, to a band that is really into giving a MUSICALLY descent show. The crowd changed too, I must say. Townshend occasionally does some windmill, but thats it.
In some documentary I once saw Entwistle was asked about Kenny Jones and the post Keith Moon band: in his typical way of answering he said "well I was happy - finally I could hear myself in concert and play like I should". I guess you think the same, only about Entwistles departure.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-08-13 10:51 by Wroclaw.
It really makes me wonder how this worked - a lousy drummer, infant bass lines but in the end it turned out as one of the better Beatles-songs.
So basically, you're saying that despite having played the instrument professionally at the highest level for over 50 years, he's still a bit shit at it?
no i am saying unlike entwistle who is playing bass but showing off, paul reminds me of someone playing a rhythm guitar part on a bass
In fairness, it should be pointed out that Stu wasnt a sex offender, unlike this guy!
Saw that on facebook a couple of days ago. Hilarious.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-08-14 14:16 by Gazza.
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Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
Markdog
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Date: July 2, 2013 22:24
For the Beatles Paul is excellent and all they need, power trios need more flash and style typically to get the song interesting which is John totally. But a great bass line doesn't have to be fast to be good as Bill Wyman is my fav.
Honestly though I'd put Geddy Lee at the top, the guy play bass like no one else.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-07-02 22:25 by Markdog.
Honestly though I'd put Geddy Lee at the top, the guy play bass like no one else.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-07-02 22:25 by Markdog.
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
Turning To Gold
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Date: July 2, 2013 22:29
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Wry Cooter
James Jamerson.
Before I got to your post I was going to say I'm voting for McCartney, because he was able to sound more like James Jamerson!
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
bam
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Date: July 2, 2013 22:48
Actually Paul often sounded more like Brian Wilson or Carol Kaye.
I agree that comparing Paul to Ox is an apple to orange comparison. Both were great at what they did -- but they weren't trying to do the same thing.
As others have noted, Pete didn't play the lead most of the time; Keith and Ox alternated lead between them. That's why The Who sounded different than anybody else.
It's also why I think The Who 2 are a pale shadow of what they were live. While Zak can play Keith Moon's parts, Pete (and now also his brother) plays much more lead than in the old days, with Pino under instructions to keep it down. The quieter, calmer bass playing makes the current Who incarnation a very different band.
I agree that comparing Paul to Ox is an apple to orange comparison. Both were great at what they did -- but they weren't trying to do the same thing.
As others have noted, Pete didn't play the lead most of the time; Keith and Ox alternated lead between them. That's why The Who sounded different than anybody else.
It's also why I think The Who 2 are a pale shadow of what they were live. While Zak can play Keith Moon's parts, Pete (and now also his brother) plays much more lead than in the old days, with Pino under instructions to keep it down. The quieter, calmer bass playing makes the current Who incarnation a very different band.
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: July 2, 2013 23:10
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bam
Actually Paul often sounded more like Brian Wilson or Carol Kaye.
I agree that comparing Paul to Ox is an apple to orange comparison. Both were great at what they did -- but they weren't trying to do the same thing.
As others have noted, Pete didn't play the lead most of the time; Keith and Ox alternated lead between them. That's why The Who sounded different than anybody else.
It's also why I think The Who 2 are a pale shadow of what they were live. While Zak can play Keith Moon's parts, Pete (and now also his brother) plays much more lead than in the old days, with Pino under instructions to keep it down. The quieter, calmer bass playing makes the current Who incarnation a very different band.
Better, imo. At least as a live act. Of course they haven't made a good record in decades, same as the Stones.
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
71Tele
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Date: July 3, 2013 09:49
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
owlbynite
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Date: July 3, 2013 10:01
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sonomastoneQuote
stonehearted
Well, your friend may have a point, at least partially.
John Entwistle is the better bass guitarist, but Paul McCartney is the better bass player.
Both were important and innovative in their time, but for different styles of playing.
Entwistle played more forcefully for rock songs, whereas Paul played more expressively and melodically--particularly in the higher registers--for pop songs.
each was a standout in his own niche.
They're so different, there's no point in comparing them. If they were to have traded places, neither would have been successful or appropriate in the other's band.
well put
IMO when it comes to subjective things like music, the notion of "best' goes out the window. the 2 of them are/were clearly extremely accomplished.
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
liddas
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Date: July 3, 2013 13:03
The interesting thing about all those early English bass players is that they were true pioneers of the genre. And its true that most of them didn't even start as bass players or have any specific preparation. The very electric bass was still quite a new thing. Starting from scrap, they did the only thing that they could do, they played what they thought was the best thing for the song. They had a freedom that now is unimaginable. There wasn't such a thing as what a bass should do. If it worked for the song, it was good. Who knows what Macca would have done if the Beatles were a power trio with Moon on drums!
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Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
GravityBoy
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Date: July 3, 2013 13:28
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71Tele
Ian Stewart had similar restrictions on piano.
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
reg thorpe
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Date: July 3, 2013 17:14
john entwistle
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
stonehearted
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Date: August 13, 2013 07:23
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stoneheartedQuote
sonomastone
he's back to the hofner or a model like it now i believe?
my understanding was it was the left handed model that drove the selection of the guitar originally.
I believe it's the Hofner, with the original set list for the rooftop concert from Get Back 1969 still encased in plastic and taped to the back--kind of a good luck charm I suppose.
He actually has two Hofner basses (the 500/1 violin bass): the original 1961 model he first bought when switching from guitar to bass, then a 1962 model the Hofner company gave him, which he began using in 1963. He used the 1961 model as a backup, and plays that in the Revolution promo clip. Today, he uses the 1962 model. The 1961 model was stolen from Abbey Road studios during the recording of Let It Be, so he completed the recording of that album--including the rooftop concert--with the 1962 model, the one he plays currently.
Here's a wiki page on the Hofner bass: [en.wikipedia.org]
Well, as I found out just last month from having attended a McCartney concert at one point where he held his bass up by the neck and lifted it above his head to acknowledge the crowd after playing a song and then switching to another guitar, he does not in fact have the Rooftop Concert set list taped to the back of his Hofner bass, though I read somewhere that he had.
For the show, he brought out the very guitar he played on the Sgt. Pepper album, an Epiphone Casino, and used it to play Paperback Writer.
It has been my impression that the Hofner he uses now is the 1962 model that he has used since the mid-60s, but this too may not be correct. The wiki page above states that just the original Hamburg 1961 model was "nicked" from Abbey Road Studios during the recording of Let It be, but in the clip below (during a webcast answering fan questions at the time Flaming Pie was released) Paul clearly states that he had "a couple" that were stolen. So one is left to wonder: Is the one he presently uses, the 1962 model, the actual one he was given by the Hofner company in 1963, or did he have to replace this one also to play on Abbey Road? Or is it neither? He mentions that he presently has two such Hofners, one that he uses as a back-up, so presumably he acquired one or both of them after The Beatles....
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
Meanbandit
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Date: August 13, 2013 07:35
The playing of Tim Bogert is also like playing bass like a lead guitar. And he's superb.
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
whitem8
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Date: August 13, 2013 07:41
Actually, I am pretty sure the setlist on his Hofner was from The Beatles 66 tour. He used it at their final show, and then again for his 1990 tour. I don't believe he used it on tour since, I read in an interview he was worried about it being damaged.
Here is the setlist:
"Rock & Roll (music)"
"She's a Woman"
"If I Needed (someone)"
"(day) Tripper"
"Baby's in Black"
"I Feel Fine"
"Yesterday"
"(I) Wanna Be (your man)"
"Nowhere Man"
"Paperback (writer)"
"Long Tall (sally)"
Here is the setlist:
"Rock & Roll (music)"
"She's a Woman"
"If I Needed (someone)"
"(day) Tripper"
"Baby's in Black"
"I Feel Fine"
"Yesterday"
"(I) Wanna Be (your man)"
"Nowhere Man"
"Paperback (writer)"
"Long Tall (sally)"
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
Come On
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Date: August 13, 2013 08:00
Paul McCartney by miles.. but Pete Townshend is a better rhytmn guitarplayer than John....1-1 Beatles vs. Who...
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Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
Come On
()
Date: August 13, 2013 08:21
Quote
keefriffhard4life
the entire argument between me and my friend came about when trying to rank the big 4 of the british invasion, the who, the kinks, the stones and the beatles and we were trying to rank them in several different ways. musicianship, songwriting ability, live performance. it got pretty heated when we got to the bass players ranking or should i say the ox and mccartney.
I like!
As Bands: (musically)
1/ The Beatles
2/ The Rolling Stones
3/ The Kinks
4/ The Who
Songwriting:
1/ Lennon/McCartney
2/ Jagger Richard
3/ Ray Davies
4/ Pete Townshend
Best voice:
1/ John Lennon
2/ Mick Jagger
3/ Ray Davies
4/ Roger Daltrey
Best Rhythm:
1/ Keith Richards/Pete Townshend
3/ John Lennon/Dave Davies
Best Bass:
1/ Paul McCartney
2/ Bill Wyman
3/ John Entwhistle
4/ Pete Quaife
Best Drums:
1/ Charlie Watts/Ringo Starr/Keith Moon
4/ Mick Avory
2 1 2 0
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
keefriffhard4life
()
Date: August 13, 2013 09:29
Quote
Come OnQuote
keefriffhard4life
the entire argument between me and my friend came about when trying to rank the big 4 of the british invasion, the who, the kinks, the stones and the beatles and we were trying to rank them in several different ways. musicianship, songwriting ability, live performance. it got pretty heated when we got to the bass players ranking or should i say the ox and mccartney.
I like!
As Bands: (musically)
1/ The Beatles
2/ The Rolling Stones
3/ The Kinks
4/ The Who
Songwriting:
1/ Lennon/McCartney
2/ Jagger Richard
3/ Ray Davies
4/ Pete Townshend
Best voice:
1/ John Lennon
2/ Mick Jagger
3/ Ray Davies
4/ Roger Daltrey
Best Rhythm:
1/ Keith Richards/Pete Townshend
3/ John Lennon/Dave Davies
Best Bass:
1/ Paul McCartney
2/ Bill Wyman
3/ John Entwhistle
4/ Pete Quaife
Best Drums:
1/ Charlie Watts/Ringo Starr/Keith Moon
4/ Mick Avory
that is your opinion so it can't be wrong but that is almost exactly the opposite of how i would rank that stuff
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: August 13, 2013 09:51
Regarding the ranking of drummers, some would say that Keith Moon's drumming was just kids' stuff. I mean, even a 4-year-old could play along to it....
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
keefriffhard4life
()
Date: August 13, 2013 09:59
Quote
stonehearted
Regarding the ranking of drummers, some would say that Keith Moon's drumming was just kids' stuff. I mean, even a 4-year-old could play along to it....
whoever made that comment that its kids stuff is retarded and clearly knows nothing about drumming, how to play drums, keiths influences or listened to isolated drum tracks of keith in the who songs. part of what made keith so good and cool in the who was the fact he was a big fan of surf music nd incorporated that into his drumming even though the who are a hard rock band. he is playing faster and heavier than most surf drummers but a lot of his fills are clear rave up surf drumming
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: August 13, 2013 10:09
Quote
keefriffhard4lifeQuote
stonehearted
Regarding the ranking of drummers, some would say that Keith Moon's drumming was just kids' stuff. I mean, even a 4-year-old could play along to it....
whoever made that comment that its kids stuff is retarded and clearly knows nothing about drumming, how to play drums, keiths influences or listened to isolated drum tracks of keith in the who songs. part of what made keith so good and cool in the who was the fact he was a big fan of surf music nd incorporated that into his drumming even though the who are a hard rock band. he is playing faster and heavier than most surf drummers but a lot of his fills are clear rave up surf drumming
I'm not a big fan of emoticons, so my attempt at jocularity did not travel well apparently. You should watch that video--quite an amazing drummer for a 4 year old, that's why I posted it, because it's a heart-warming tribute to Moon's lasting legacy as a drumming influence. It's the right-pointing arrow in the middle of the clip, there you are, there's a good fellow....
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
Wroclaw
()
Date: August 13, 2013 10:46
Quote
71Tele
Paul is the best bassist, if you consider what a bassist properly does. I love The Who, but unfortunately the Ox got a bad case of Lead Guitar Syndrome in his later years. Not sure why anyone would think playing lead on a bass with a super distorted sound would make anyone a better bassist, but I'm sure he was better at whatever it is he did.
His work through Who By Numbers was brilliant. I think Pete mentioned that he got so loud onstage that he couldn't compete with him. When I go to see The Who now I feel guilty because I much prefer Pino Paladino's playing.
Thant's cause The Who no longer do "THE WHO CONCERT" but rather "The Who (or what is left of them) playing the music created by The Who". Not taking any stand here but seeing them about 10 times since MSG 2000 and up until last June in Ireland, (all were post reunion The Who) I clearly noticed that they transformed from the stage of doing the classic what you expect The Who to sound live, to a band that is really into giving a MUSICALLY descent show. The crowd changed too, I must say. Townshend occasionally does some windmill, but thats it.
In some documentary I once saw Entwistle was asked about Kenny Jones and the post Keith Moon band: in his typical way of answering he said "well I was happy - finally I could hear myself in concert and play like I should". I guess you think the same, only about Entwistles departure.
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Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
More Hot Rocks
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Date: August 13, 2013 20:12
Who added more to the music they made?
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
runrudolph
()
Date: August 13, 2013 20:40
Ronnie, Keef and Bill
Jeroen
Jeroen
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
MKjan
()
Date: August 13, 2013 21:20
Quote
corriecas
Ronnie, Keef and Bill
Jeroen
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
silkcut1978_
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Date: August 13, 2013 22:22
Quote
71Tele
It really makes me wonder how this worked - a lousy drummer, infant bass lines but in the end it turned out as one of the better Beatles-songs.
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
pinkfloydthebarber
()
Date: August 14, 2013 04:25
better?
dumb question .
dumb question .
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
Marhsall
()
Date: August 14, 2013 04:36
Entwistle by miles and miles and miles and miles.....
"Well my heavy throbbers itchin' just to lay a solid rhythm down"
"Well my heavy throbbers itchin' just to lay a solid rhythm down"
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: August 14, 2013 04:39
Quote
keefriffhard4life
mccartney plays like what he is. a guitar player who switched to bass
So basically, you're saying that despite having played the instrument professionally at the highest level for over 50 years, he's still a bit shit at it?
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
keefriffhard4life
()
Date: August 14, 2013 05:02
Quote
GazzaQuote
keefriffhard4life
mccartney plays like what he is. a guitar player who switched to bass
So basically, you're saying that despite having played the instrument professionally at the highest level for over 50 years, he's still a bit shit at it?
no i am saying unlike entwistle who is playing bass but showing off, paul reminds me of someone playing a rhythm guitar part on a bass
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
pinkfloydthebarber
()
Date: August 14, 2013 05:51
they're both good
just different
mcartney is more melodic and entwistle is more busy
so what
just different
mcartney is more melodic and entwistle is more busy
so what
Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
Come On
()
Date: August 14, 2013 10:06
5-4 to John counting straight answers....
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Re: OT: who is a better bass player, john entwistle or paul mccartney?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: August 14, 2013 14:15
Quote
GravityBoyQuote
71Tele
Ian Stewart had similar restrictions on piano.
In fairness, it should be pointed out that Stu wasnt a sex offender, unlike this guy!
Saw that on facebook a couple of days ago. Hilarious.
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