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How about they play somewhere other than the US as an 'alternative' ?

That market has been exhausted this year. You folks have had your chance for 2013.

They havent played continental Europe in six years and the rest of the world in seven years.

I believe if you ask the posters in the forum from the southern U.S., they will tell you that the U.S. market has not even been half saturated as yet.

You folks in the UK will have your chance again in a few weeks, and I agree Europe and elsewhere should have some shows.

With their present touring arrangements, now that they have graduated beyond the large-scale 2-year stadium blow-out tours, they seem to be concentrating on just one or two markets at a time for a small batch of concentrated shows before taking a few months off.

But they may do another leg this fall to satisfy the southern leg of the U.S., as they usually don't move on to Europe and elsewhere until the following year of a tour.

Hope they come back to Boston (relatively) soon!

Again?

The only city in Europe, let alone the UK, the Stones have played on this tour is London. Theres a lot more to both regions than just one city.

You're absolutely correct that theyve ignored the southern part of the US. The sad reality is, however, that between themselves and AEG they've chosen to do so for the simple reason that there wasnt enough money in it. The average ticket price on this tour was something like $370. More than double what the already exorbitantly priced Bigger Bang tour was in 2005-07.

Theres only so many markets that can sustain those sort of prices. Its a huge risk for any promoter. The south probably isnt in that category, which is shameful but a sad reality of the way Stones Inc works nowadays. Even on the tour theyve just done, theyve had to paper most venues with cut price tickets (and more $85 tickets than they planned to) to fill them. The Stones dont care as they get their guarantee regardless of whether they sell 5,000 tickets or 20,000 tickets, but AEG must have been collectively shitting bricks over the last two months. Some hard thinking required for any would be promoter to do that next time, and I'd imagine AEG would be very wary of repeating it. No wonder Branson & Dainty pulled out on promoting this tour. The overheads for them is enormous and whilst they can cash in on a mini tour like last year when the band are playing 2-3 shows per continent, its a different ball game when you extend that to an 18 date tour in 11 cities in one market.

I'm confident they'll tour again this autumn, but I believe it'll be continental Europe. So many markets to try out with short bursts of touring. Maybe they'll try some more US cities next year.

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Gazza

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Gazza

How about they play somewhere other than the US as an 'alternative' ?

That market has been exhausted this year. You folks have had your chance for 2013.

They havent played continental Europe in six years and the rest of the world in seven years.

I believe if you ask the posters in the forum from the southern U.S., they will tell you that the U.S. market has not even been half saturated as yet.

You folks in the UK will have your chance again in a few weeks, and I agree Europe and elsewhere should have some shows.

With their present touring arrangements, now that they have graduated beyond the large-scale 2-year stadium blow-out tours, they seem to be concentrating on just one or two markets at a time for a small batch of concentrated shows before taking a few months off.

But they may do another leg this fall to satisfy the southern leg of the U.S., as they usually don't move on to Europe and elsewhere until the following year of a tour.

Hope they come back to Boston (relatively) soon!

Again?

The only city in Europe, let alone the UK, the Stones have played on this tour is London. Theres a lot more to both regions than just one city.

You're absolutely correct that theyve ignored the southern part of the US. The sad reality is, however, that between themselves and AEG they've chosen to do so for the simple reason that there wasnt enough money in it. The average ticket price on this tour was something like $370. More than double what the already exorbitantly priced Bigger Bang tour was in 2005-07.

Theres only so many markets that can sustain those sort of prices. Its a huge risk for any promoter. The south probably isnt in that category, which is shameful but a sad reality of the way Stones Inc works nowadays. Even on the tour theyve just done, theyve had to paper most venues with cut price tickets (and more $85 tickets than they planned to) to fill them. The Stones dont care as they get their guarantee regardless of whether they sell 5,000 tickets or 20,000 tickets, but AEG must have been collectively shitting bricks over the last two months. Some hard thinking required for any would be promoter to do that next time, and I'd imagine AEG would be very wary of repeating it. No wonder Branson & Dainty pulled out on promoting this tour. The overheads for them is enormous and whilst they can cash in on a mini tour like last year when the band are playing 2-3 shows per continent, its a different ball game when you extend that to an 18 date tour in 11 cities in one market.

I'm confident they'll tour again this autumn, but I believe it'll be continental Europe. So many markets to try out with short bursts of touring. Maybe they'll try some more US cities next year.

London is in Europe? Since when? It's still pounds and the English language in England--which is still the UK and not the EU, right? If you're from London, you're English, but if you're from Europe (i.e., France, Germany, Italy), then you're European.

Your original post mentions continental Europe, and I agreed that Europe should have some shows and said that you folks in the UK will get to see them again. You folks in the UK have been as spoiled on this tour as we in the U.S.--plus you don't have to travel as far to get to London, even if you're from Ireland, as some folks here in the States have had to travel to see shows on this tour. Most people in the U.S. cover more miles commuting to and from work in one day than people in the UK cover in one week.

So enjoy them in London--again, before they play in Europe.

I disagree about your assessment of the American South not being able to afford tickets--haven't you ever seen the TV show Dallas?

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London is in Europe? Since when? It's still pounds and the English language in England--which is still the UK and not the EU, right? If you're from London, you're English, but if you're from Europe (i.e., France, Germany, Italy), then you're European.

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You folks in the UK have been as spoiled on this tour as we in the U.S.--plus you don't have to travel as far to get to London, even if you're from Ireland, as some folks here in the States have had to travel to see shows on this tour. Most people in the U.S. cover more miles commuting to and from work in one day than people in the UK cover in one week.

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Based on past tour history from our very own IORR site it looks like anyone who saw them on the US/NA tour were indeed blessed and rewarded for their perseverance and enduring the ticket price circus.

Nobody including me wants this to end. However to those that wish them to tour more of the US on another leg, extend the tour, etc. take a look at these numbers and draw your own conclusions:

2005-2006, ABB Tour, Number of NA/US dates: 96 concerts from Aug/2005 to Nov/2006
2012-2013, 50 and Counting Tour, Number of NA/US dates: 22 concerts from Dec/2012 to Jun/2013

Over 6 years between tours and the number of dates, down by 75%.

Here's hoping the results are different than the trends indicate.

Thanks,

Mike

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Let's talk about the alternative... The Stones come back and do a tour for their FANS.. Stadiums in the fall. Tickets are $1000 for the first 10 rows, $600 for the next 20 rows, $250 for close lowers and floors, $150 for close upper deck and further away lowers, and $50 for less desirable seats. And since we're in my dreamworld at the moment... the stage is IN THE ROUND, they spend more money on PA than lighting, screen and stupid animated videos combined. They open every show with Little Queenie and end with the Last Time.

BOOM!

How about they play somewhere other than the US as an 'alternative' ?

That market has been exhausted this year. You folks have had your chance for 2013.

They havent played continental Europe in six years and the rest of the world in seven years.

Forget stadium tours. Thats over.

Forget stadium tours? Glad to see you have changed your mind.

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Gazza, You are wrong..

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Gazza, You are wrong..

Thanks.

Actually South America would make sense, as theyd need to play large venues for a promoter to make their guarantee in a less financially lucrative market.

North America? Nah. Not at these prices. They cant even fill arenas anymore, let alone stadiums. Maybe one stadium stage at most to play the occasional outdoor show in between arena shows, but no more stadium 'tours' I would think.

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So enjoy them in London--again, before they play in Europe.

I disagree about your assessment of the American South not being able to afford tickets--haven't you ever seen the TV show Dallas?

stonehearted...the 80s have called, they want their tv soap opera/melodrama example back.

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London is in Europe? Since when? It's still pounds and the English language in England--which is still the UK and not the EU, right? If you're from London, you're English, but if you're from Europe (i.e., France, Germany, Italy), then you're European.

the EU and Europe are two entirely different things. The latter consists of about twice as many countries as the former.

The UK is in both. You might want to re-sit those geography, history and politics exams.

Happy to help.

Good luck in filling 20,000 seater arenas with Texas oil barons.


London has been 'spoiled' compared to most of the US. It does cost money to travel to London (even from within the UK) and stay in hotels, you know and its also far more expensive.

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Gazza, You are wrong..

Thanks.

Actually South America would make sense, as theyd need to play large venues for a promoter to make their guarantee in a less financially lucrative market.

North America? Nah. Not at these prices. They cant even fill arenas anymore, let alone stadiums. Maybe one stadium stage at most to play the occasional outdoor show in between arena shows, but no more stadium 'tours' I would think.

But wouldn't stadium shows require a lot of changes on the technical side of the production? The PA speakers and the big screens are mounted to the roof of the arenas, stadiums don't provide that possibility. And a roof for the stage would be needed to keep all the electric stuff dry in case of rain. I have no idea how much extra cost that would mean but i don't believe it that pays off for just a low number of stadium shows.

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Let's talk about the alternative... The Stones come back and do a tour for their FANS.. Stadiums in the fall. Tickets are $1000 for the first 10 rows, $600 for the next 20 rows, $250 for close lowers and floors, $150 for close upper deck and further away lowers, and $50 for less desirable seats. And since we're in my dreamworld at the moment... the stage is IN THE ROUND, they spend more money on PA than lighting, screen and stupid animated videos combined. They open every show with Little Queenie and end with the Last Time.

BOOM!

How about they play somewhere other than the US as an 'alternative' ?

That market has been exhausted this year. You folks have had your chance for 2013.

They havent played continental Europe in six years and the rest of the world in seven years.

Forget stadium tours. Thats over.

Forget stadium tours? Glad to see you have changed your mind.

WTF are you prattling on about now? I've been saying for years they wouldnt do any more stadium tours. Long before you or any of the other 25 voices that inhabit your head ever came near this place.

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So enjoy them in London--again, before they play in Europe.

I disagree about your assessment of the American South not being able to afford tickets--haven't you ever seen the TV show Dallas?

stonehearted...the 80s have called, they want their tv soap opera/melodrama example back.

Tell them I'll be in Falcon Crest all afternoon and can't be reached.

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I'm certain they will come to the southern US this fall and play Miami, Orlando, Atlanta, Memphis, New Orleans,texas

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How about they play somewhere other than the US as an 'alternative' ?

That market has been exhausted this year. You folks have had your chance for 2013.

They havent played continental Europe in six years and the rest of the world in seven years.

Forget stadium tours. Thats over.

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I can't see them avoid Stockholm with two new arenas/stadiums (Friends Arena and Tele2 Arena) with on-and-off roof if the play the Nordic countries.

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If they do shows in scandinavia (which i doubt), there will be indoor arenas like Globen, Hartwall and Telenor Arena.