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Thrylan
Keith IS the Stones.....people get that.
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oldschool
Least appealing? I was at Wednesdays show which was decent but the boys seemed a little disjointed and out of sync. Last night they were as tight as I have seen them since the BtB tour IMHO.
Just a fantastic show last night performance wise.
Strongly disagree here. Both Whip and Memory Motel suffered from horrible missed changes at points that help define both songs. Also missed changes in Miss You which is a sleepwalk to begin with. Inexcusable for a band with their pedigree.
One More Shot was also a horrible mess - Mick's voice seemed to be going in this one. Is he getting sick?
All Down The Line is still taken at too slow a tempo and several points where Keith was not playing and the guitar sound was simply void.
I was offended again by the band's choice to use backup singers offstage on the opening numbers. This is such a bush league, cheap move. Hearing vocals -female!-while Mick is not singing just appears so ridiculous to me. I also noticed a few spots where he was giving the impression of singing while the backups were clearly doing the work.
Taylor is still not playing anything dynamic or fitting in his first solo in Rambler, it's just a mish mash of mostly in-key licks. But there's no flow or build. He comes on fine in the second half of the song - one of the few highlights of the night.
I have no idea what he contributes to Satisfaction. Couldn't hear a thing he was playing. All he was doing was meandering around, complaining about his sound/volume, trying embarrassingly poorly to sing back ups with Darryl - he always went to his mic at the wrong time. And he keeps looking at Keith or Mick like he doesn't know when or what to play. The U.S. leg of this tour is almost over. I'd have thought he'd have a part down by now.
They do absolutely nothing with Emotional Rescue. Starts and finishes on the same level. The groove, riff, vocals are all half-hearted IMHO. They really don't work this song like they could. And I don't know why Mick alters the "pet Pekingese" lyric. Speaking of which - far too much looking down at the TelePrompter on Mick's behalf. Seriously?
Some high points during Shelter, Whip sounded good and had energy, but the missed change really suffered. Happy and Rambler cooked in their later stages. Doom and Gloom showed energy as well. Keith actually nailed the intro to Brown Sugar and Jumping Jack Flash was sensational from beginning to end.
Ronnie, Charlie and Darryl are playing their asses off. Thankfully I could hear very little of Chuck. And Keith is taking a lot of songs off(seriously, why does he bother holding that guitar during You Got The Silver??? Times Ike that highlight the absence of Blondie on this tour).
One of the highlights for me was their use of the local choir. What an amazing moment for those people. And they sound great, though Lisa seems to overpower them during the body of the song which is unfortunate. I only hope the Stones are decent enough to show up for the rehearsal for this nightly number as opposed to sending Bernard or Chuck or Matt Clifford. They deserve a special audience with the band and the recognition.
I've seen the Stones close to 30 times since 1989. This was definitely one of the lesser performances.
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JMARKO
One of the highlights for me was their use of the local choir.
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DandelionPowderman
Keith started noodling in the wrong key when they were just about to start the bridge in Whip. Apart from that there were no problems. Certainly not on MM, apart from a bum note from Chuck. At least with the songs mentioned here.
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DandelionPowderman
Keith started noodling in the wrong key when they were just about to start the bridge in Whip. Apart from that there were no problems. Certainly not on MM, apart from a bum note from Chuck. At least with the songs mentioned here.
Do you think Keith's tendency to noodle off key has anything to do with Whip barely breaking 4 mins these days?
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Thrylan
.....four orange whips.
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DandelionPowderman
Matt Clifford? Sure it wasn't Tim Ries??
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laertisflash
Sometimes i gather that, if some fans were in the mood for analyzing every single note and every single moment with such a "severity", from the beginning of Stones career, then they would rate even 1972-73 performances as "mediocre"...
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Thrylan
.....four orange whips.
whip, whip, whip, whip?
As HBwriter said, people respect Mick, they love Keith. Mick's mistake was to think he was bigger than the Stones, back in the '80's, at the start of their war, IMO. Keith always knew he wasn't, the Stones were about the sum of their disparate parts. The betrayal he felt at Mick wanting a solo career, and the musical direction Mick wanted to go in, always being "relevant" and following the latest trend, are, IMO, what led up to Life. It's that old "vision" thing. While I can respect Mick, and you certainly can't have the Stones without his distinctive vocals, I love Keith (personal failings and all!) |There's a warmth there that Mick doesn't seem to have. Of course, this is all based on not ever having met either of them, which shows you how much I know!Quote
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proudmary
I don't agree,hbwriter. there are plenty and plenty people who love Mick , it's just people who love KR do it more aggressively, with the push like they want to prove something. I think these different approaches depend on the personality of the "object of love" himself
...Awerightie!! "Blame Keith", round gazillion.
Who exàctly is "pushing to prove something", I sometimes wonder.
Mea Culpa, forgot to mention Mick's song writing abilities, seeing as he was the co-writer of some of their best music.Quote
KatieGirlAs HBwriter said, people respect Mick, they love Keith. Mick's mistake was to think he was bigger than the Stones, back in the '80's, at the start of their war, IMO. Keith always knew he wasn't, the Stones were about the sum of their disparate parts. The betrayal he felt at Mick wanting a solo career, and the musical direction Mick wanted to go in, always being "relevant" and following the latest trend, are, IMO, what led up to Life. It's that old "vision" thing. While I can respect Mick, and you certainly can't have the Stones without his distinctive vocals, I love Keith (personal failings and all!) |There's a warmth there that Mick doesn't seem to have. Of course, this is all based on not ever having met either of them, which shows you how much I know!Quote
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proudmary
I don't agree,hbwriter. there are plenty and plenty people who love Mick , it's just people who love KR do it more aggressively, with the push like they want to prove something. I think these different approaches depend on the personality of the "object of love" himself
...Awerightie!! "Blame Keith", round gazillion.
Who exàctly is "pushing to prove something", I sometimes wonder.
Mick wanting to follow the "latest trend" didn't start in the 80s when he went off for a solo career. They had been doing that forever. Goats Head Soup is a minor example. As is Black and Blue. Then you have Miss You and Emotional Rescue, which is quite clearly their attempt at disco. They were always following the trends, and while it may have been more Mick's idea, its not like Keith stopped it or didn't contribute. It was his band too and he certainly allowed them to be a band that touches on new trends in their music.Quote
KatieGirlAs HBwriter said, people respect Mick, they love Keith. Mick's mistake was to think he was bigger than the Stones, back in the '80's, at the start of their war, IMO. Keith always knew he wasn't, the Stones were about the sum of their disparate parts. The betrayal he felt at Mick wanting a solo career, and the musical direction Mick wanted to go in, always being "relevant" and following the latest trend, are, IMO, what led up to Life. It's that old "vision" thing. While I can respect Mick, and you certainly can't have the Stones without his distinctive vocals, I love Keith (personal failings and all!) |There's a warmth there that Mick doesn't seem to have. Of course, this is all based on not ever having met either of them, which shows you how much I know!Quote
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proudmary
I don't agree,hbwriter. there are plenty and plenty people who love Mick , it's just people who love KR do it more aggressively, with the push like they want to prove something. I think these different approaches depend on the personality of the "object of love" himself
...Awerightie!! "Blame Keith", round gazillion.
Who exàctly is "pushing to prove something", I sometimes wonder.
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laertisflash
Sometimes i gather that, if some fans were in the mood for analyzing every single note and every single moment with such a "severity", from the beginning of Stones career, then they would rate even 1972-73 performances as "mediocre"...
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KatieGirlAs HBwriter said, people respect Mick, they love Keith. Mick's mistake was to think he was bigger than the Stones, back in the '80's, at the start of their war, IMO. Keith always knew he wasn't, the Stones were about the sum of their disparate parts. The betrayal he felt at Mick wanting a solo career, and the musical direction Mick wanted to go in, always being "relevant" and following the latest trend, are, IMO, what led up to Life. It's that old "vision" thing. While I can respect Mick, and you certainly can't have the Stones without his distinctive vocals, I love Keith (personal failings and all!) |There's a warmth there that Mick doesn't seem to have. Of course, this is all based on not ever having met either of them, which shows you how much I know!Quote
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proudmary
I don't agree,hbwriter. there are plenty and plenty people who love Mick , it's just people who love KR do it more aggressively, with the push like they want to prove something. I think these different approaches depend on the personality of the "object of love" himself
...Awerightie!! "Blame Keith", round gazillion.
Who exàctly is "pushing to prove something", I sometimes wonder.