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Without Mick Taylor we see a tour of nostalgia; a bunch of two old guitar-lads which try to elaborate 10 percent of what they did in the seventies. With Mick Taylor there is a vivid band with creative musical ideas each time he is on stage. And it is not a matter of age. Mick Taylor is in the same age as Ronnie and Keith. It is not a matter of health. Mick Taylor had tremendous health problems in the last years. It is rather a matter of respect for music and the audience and a matter of the willingness to to do something new. Instead of this we have two guitarist in the comfort zone who are content with marvelling at the great guitar skills of Mick Taylor. More than one time Mick Taylor tried to animate Ronnie and Keith to do something unusual on guitar, without any success but for some grining in the faces of Ronnie and Keith.

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Agreed, although I think Jagger "overshouts" a bit.

What you saw there (1972 ADTL) was a freight train. Was the Mick Taylor band with Mick Jagger on lead vocals

Mick Taylor + His Rhythm Section + Mick Jagger on lead vocals (Mick Jagger as a special guest)

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we were listening to and comparing early Stones to early Beatles music. While the group from Liverpool was sweetly singing "I Wanna Hold Your Hand," the Stones were singing "Let's Spend the Night Together...."

Actually The Beatles were ahead of The Stones by a couple of years. In addition to having started writing original songs a couple of years before, their subject matter also evolved sooner. Let's Spend The Night Together was written in 1966, but the year before Lennon & McCartney had already touched upon the theme of one-night stands with Day Tripper. Norwegian Wood was also a song about a one-nighter--and a marital infidelity at that.

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Agreed, although I think Jagger "overshouts" a bit.

What you saw there (1972 ADTL) was a freight train. Was the Mick Taylor band with Mick Jagger on lead vocals

Mick Taylor + His Rhythm Section + Mick Jagger on lead vocals (Mick Jagger as a special guest)

I am sure that in an alternate universe there is a Mick Taylor band still playing strong after 40 years and in this years *nostalgia* tour they have recruited a fat paunchy Mick Jagger to guest spot on a few select tunes as their lead marracas player. MickJ sporadically complains that Mick Taylor has never paid him royalties for his marracas shaking on past albums

There is a Rolling Stones in this alternate universe but they are a suck-arse act that people joke about like Iron Butterfly which once beat them in a battle of the bands

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I think that both Mick and Keith understand that the Rolling Stones is a much bigger thing than either of them as persons or their personal relationship towards each other for example, I think also that Keith should have been more careful with his book but Mick is quite a tough guy and those things Keith said are really not so devastating IMO.

Both of them clearly enjoy performing to the audience and if it remains fun to the both of them (and also Charlie and Ronnie) I can't see why they would not extend the tour to Europe and other places. Maybe they haven't even decided that yet, maybe they will make these decisions later.

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"Their children, wives, girlfriends want them to tour so they can inherit more"...

What a ludicrous post...and CRUEL.

Unless you know this for a fact, triceratops, and are personally acquainted with these people, you have a hell of nerve to make such a judgement.

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"Their children, wives, girlfriends want them to tour so they can inherit more"...

What a ludicrous post...and CRUEL.

Unless you know this for a fact, triceratops, and are personally acquainted with these people, you have a hell of nerve to make such a judgement.

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Maybe L'Wren Scott is now making all the business decisions and even deciding on the setlist...

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Again:

The Rolling Stones are NOT "The Greatest Rock and Roll Band Ever"

But:

The Rolling Stones with Mick Taylor is "The Greatest Rock and Roll Band Ever."


I mean if Ron Wood would stop throwing Picks at the Audience (and all the other ass-clown stuff he does), Keef looking at his nails / staring at the ground and Jagger drop the guitar he uses for like half a song only so some Roadie can gofer it.... and just put Taylor up there...is that really too much to ask? LOL

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So you don't attack the message, but attack the messenger. I have been a fan for many decades and have gone to many shows. I put down great money to see an expanded version of MT as promised and got two songs plus a sit-in with Satisfaction.

Sorry the truth hurts but it is almost universally accepted that Taylor makes the Stones better.

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So you don't attack the message, but attack the messenger. I have been a fan for many decades and have gone to many shows. I put down great money to see an expanded version of MT as promised and got two songs plus a sit-in with Satisfaction.

Sorry the truth hurts but it is almost universally accepted that Taylor makes the Stones better.

You weren't promised anything and it is not almost universally accepted that Taylor makes the stones better.

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So you don't attack the message, but attack the messenger. I have been a fan for many decades and have gone to many shows. I put down great money to see an expanded version of MT as promised and got two songs plus a sit-in with Satisfaction.

Sorry the truth hurts but it is almost universally accepted that Taylor makes the Stones better.

You weren't promised anything and it is not almost universally accepted that Taylor makes the stones better.

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duffydawg,

Yes, it is too much to ask. You are a serious music lover or maybe a musician yourself. Most concert-goers are not. They want to see the Stones they've been following -- WITHOUT MT -- for the past 30+ yrs. They love rock n'roller Ronnie.
They see MT as a "guest," one of the "old Stones" from way back. They loved him on Sat. but they don't want to see him spotlighted, and then stand in one place (or kneel) with his head down for more than 3 songs. All while Ronnie respectfully would play 2nd fiddle. (pun intended) You've got a different show in mind -- this tour is a celebration of the guys who stuck it out thru thick and thin. Mick Taylor bailed. Why should he get credit not due him. It's not about how good he plays, it's about the band that stayed together. It's a business choice: give the people what they want. They want to hear "Satisfaction" and "Miss You." Jagger know that and he knows that giving MT more songs, wouldn't sit right, would somehow misplace loyalty. I think they're doing it just right.

I'm not sure what PR you read, but I didn't get promised anything much re MT. I think he's great but in my eyes, he's a "guest" on this tour. I also think he was lucky to be invited.

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duffydawg,

Yes, it is too much to ask. You are a serious music lover or maybe a musician yourself. Most concert-goers are not. They want to see the Stones they've been following -- WITHOUT MT -- for the past 30+ yrs. They love rock n'roller Ronnie.
They see MT as a "guest," one of the "old Stones" from way back. They loved him on Sat. but they don't want to see him spotlighted, and then stand in one place (or kneel) with his head down for more than 3 songs. All while Ronnie respectfully would play 2nd fiddle. (pun intended) You've got a different show in mind -- this tour is a celebration of the guys who stuck it out thru thick and thin. Mick Taylor bailed. Why should he get credit not due him. It's not about how good he plays, it's about the band that stayed together. It's a business choice: give the people what they want. They want to hear "Satisfaction" and "Miss You." Jagger know that and he knows that giving MT more songs, wouldn't sit right, would somehow misplace loyalty. I think they're doing it just right.

I'm not sure what PR you read, but I didn't get promised anything much re MT. I think he's great but in my eyes, he's a "guest" on this tour. I also think he was lucky to be invited.

Jesse:

There were several statements by Keef and MJ in interviews that have been previously posted discussing MT's "Expanded role." Just search for them - they are there. I didn't make this point up.

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Well said Dandelion. You made a simple, but absolutely apposite remark. The whole band sounds very good on this tour - and not only on MR, YCHMK and "Satisfaction", of course... Everyone is happy to see Mick Taylor performing with the Stones, after four decades. But i can't understand why on earth some people, sometimes, are thinking that this entrancement have to be turned into the "criticism against Keith and Ronnie- Part 896...". This criticism isn't fair, atleast as for this tour, IMO.

Some personal thoughts:

Does Mick Taylor add quality? Of course. One more guitarist, an excellent one, plays on three songs with his personal style bringing so much memories... Does he play perfectly? Of course not. He makes a few mistakes and, IMO, his solo on YCHMK (Chicago) has some parts and moments of puzzlement. As if he could not decide where exactly he might lead the solo. Big deal? No, minor detail, to me! What i try to say is that some proportional details, beeing analyzed to death by many fans, are giving "good reasons" to "crucify" other band's members (Jagger and Charlie included)... And don't forget that Taylor has to be concentrated on just 2 or 3 numbers, while the others have to save powers and divide their energy into 2.5 hours gig. HUGE diffenence...

MT on more (than 3 or 4) songs? It would be great. But i think they need time for additional rehearsals, in order to have allocation of labour- i mean between the guitars. Just remember tour's start, in London, when the band played MR first time (after 39 years!) with MT. That wasn't exactly a good tuning, i think. Who knows, if there is (and i hope so!) european leg of the tour, perhaps until then they will have prepare some more "Five Stones Stuff"...

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triceratops, you've been posting here for six weeks and you are surely one of the most jealous people on the planet.

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duffydawg wrote:

"It is almost universally accepted that Taylor makes the Stones better".

Yes, but also it is clear that the Stones have pushed his abilities forward, as Taylor himself once said (if memory helps, his admission is included in "25 X 5" documentary). MT has right. I have seen three Taylor's gigs on 90s. The performances were obviously lower than the level he had with the Stones.

You know, sometimes the factor that counts is "chemistry"...

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Therefore, Mick Taylor is a guest artist on this tour.

I prefer the early 70's Stones but the Stones aren't 29 years old anymore and won't be playing with MT, minus Ronnie, through cranked AMPEG stacks at a cocaine fueled breakneck speed