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I'm not criticising other posters for not enjoying them - where did you get that from? I criticise other posters for comparing with other guitarists. That's not what this thread is about, is it?

By your criterias, Keith has never done a good solo, btw

Those are my criteria for playing a good solo on a song like You Can't Always Get What You Want, which has, you know, a slow tempo, a very distinctive melody to work with and a chord progression that ought to be a soloist's dream. What Ronnie plays on it is basically indistinguishable from the stuff he normally plays at the end of Midnight Rambler.

what about ronnie'e solo on you can't always get what you want off of love you live . to me that is a killer solo

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I'm not criticising other posters for not enjoying them - where did you get that from? I criticise other posters for comparing with other guitarists. That's not what this thread is about, is it?

By your criterias, Keith has never done a good solo, btw

Those are my criteria for playing a good solo on a song like You Can't Always Get What You Want, which has, you know, a slow tempo, a very distinctive melody to work with and a chord progression that ought to be a soloist's dream. What Ronnie plays on it is basically indistinguishable from the stuff he normally plays at the end of Midnight Rambler.

what about ronnie'e solo on you can't always get what you want off of love you live . to me that is a killer solo

I would agree, if it was the unedited original solo, that you can hear on some boots.

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I'm not criticising other posters for not enjoying them - where did you get that from? I criticise other posters for comparing with other guitarists. That's not what this thread is about, is it?

By your criterias, Keith has never done a good solo, btw

Those are my criteria for playing a good solo on a song like You Can't Always Get What You Want, which has, you know, a slow tempo, a very distinctive melody to work with and a chord progression that ought to be a soloist's dream. What Ronnie plays on it is basically indistinguishable from the stuff he normally plays at the end of Midnight Rambler.

what about ronnie'e solo on you can't always get what you want off of love you live . to me that is a killer solo

I would agree, if it was the unedited original solo, that you can hear on some boots.

very good point , we all know how the glimmers love to EDIT !!!

Little Red Rooster on LYL is excellent as well.

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Little Red Rooster on LYL is excellent as well.

correct ronnie knock's it out of the park bigtime . one of my favorites on love you live

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Random blues noodlings trying to sound and play like Taylor.

But, Dandy, I agree on this: on LYL Ronnie is great. No, he doesn't take guitar playing to new highs or offer something new to a song, like Taylor, but he fills, riffs and does short solos on iorr, all over El Mocambo, BS and Happy.

How about Ronnie on "Sweet Little Rock 'N' Roller" on Rod's Smiler lp?

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Random blues noodlings trying to sound and play like Taylor.

Randomly or instinctively. Whatever.

But do you really think he's trying to imitate someone if he plays by instinct?

He is paying homage to Taylor in the beginning, but he's playing octaves. If you're really listening to the music, you'll hear that Keith is also doing some cool stuff, and that Ronnie makes room for that in his solo.

I liked this one because it's short and sweet, and the sound is lovely.

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Random blues noodlings trying to sound and play like Taylor.

Randomly or instinctively. Whatever.

But do you really think he's trying to imitate someone if he plays by instinct?

He is paying homage to Taylor in the beginning, but he's playing octaves. If you're really listening to the music, you'll hear that Keith is also doing some cool stuff, and that Ronnie makes room for that in his solo.

I liked this one because it's short and sweet, and the sound is lovely.

very true ! an example foxboro 9/2006 during the bang tour the stones pulled out sway .ronnie played a black gibson SG for sway .when it came time for the solo ronnie started out with mick taylor's solo and then made it his own . i like how you said ronnie paid homage to taylor and then made it his own . to my ears pure ECSTACY !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, like when you took ecstasy...

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Yes, like when you took ecstasy...

Wrong video Powerage. TheGreek was talking about Foxboro 2006. Video you posted is Texas 2005.

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OK, in any case, this one is really horrible and really undeserving of this magical song.



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He does pretty good here. He was so much better; he was a different guitarist - with the Faces.
I also always like his playng on "Angel".

Yes to Angel - so unique and distinctive.

As for 'Go Blind' - ok - good example of Ronnie style - but it's not Blue or soulful. He just can't help going to his jittery, bendy, loopy stuff. He always makes his guitar laugh (express fun and frolics) - rather than cry. Keith's licks are bluesty but Ronnie's aren't. And that's Ron's main weakness in the Stones context - he ain't a blues player. His predecessor(s) was/were schooled in it.

Now for the next 21 pages ..........

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Yes to Angel - so unique and distinctive.

As for 'Go Blind' - ok - good example of Ronnie style - but it's not Blue or soulful. He just can't help going to his jittery, bendy, loopy stuff. He always makes his guitar laugh (express fun and frolics) - rather than cry. Keith's licks are bluesty but Ronnie's aren't. And that's Ron's main weakness in the Stones context - he ain't a blues player. His predecessor(s) was/were schooled in it.

Now for the next 21 pages ..........

Ronnie not a blues player? wow.

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Ronnie not a blues player? wow.

There are exceptions - his take on Love In Vain when he was in the Faces was posted earlier in the thread - but mostly this is true. Ronnie Wood is a rock guitarist: he doesn't come from the same tradition as Clapton, Green and Taylor do. This isn't a criticism, just an observation. At his best in the 70s and early 80s, he could clearly do a good blues pastiche if required to, but he's never really inhabited the style as others do. In any case, these days - at least with the Stones - he mostly lacks the focus and musicality to play blues well, preferring to find a pentatonic scale pattern and stay there until Jagger comes back in. His Champagne and Reefer solo from the first O2 gig comes to mind.



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He's much more into old school players like Bo Diddley and Jimmy Reed than the players you mentioned. That reflects easily in his playing. Different focus, more percussive and part of the band, but definitely a funky blues guitarist and not a rock player, imo.

Insofar as blues and rock'n'roll are inseparable, yes, but we're talking about his soloing and my point is that he is not a distinctive blues soloist in the way that many of his 60s contemporaries were and are. Ronnie Wood is not who one instinctively thinks of when the term 'British blues explosion' is used: he isn't a direct successor of the BB/Freddie/Albert tradition in the way Mayall's guitarists all were, nor did he update Otis Rush or Muddy Waters' back catalogues as Beck and Page did. Again, this isn't a criticism, nor am I trying to say that you need to play a Les Paul through a Marshall and practice your vibrato ten hours a day in order to qualify as a blues guitarist - just that Wood's roots lie elsewhere.

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OK, in any case, this one is really horrible and really undeserving of this magical song.

honestly I think he did worse that this one.

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Insofar as blues and rock'n'roll are inseparable, yes, but we're talking about his soloing and my point is that he is not a distinctive blues soloist in the way that many of his 60s contemporaries were and are. Ronnie Wood is not who one instinctively thinks of when the term 'British blues explosion' is used: he isn't a direct successor of the BB/Freddie/Albert tradition in the way Mayall's guitarists all were, nor did he update Otis Rush or Muddy Waters' back catalogues as Beck and Page did. Again, this isn't a criticism, nor am I trying to say that you need to play a Les Paul through a Marshall and practice your vibrato ten hours a day in order to qualify as a blues guitarist - just that Wood's roots lie elsewhere.

You are absolutely right when you say that Ronnie - the recording artist - is not a distinctive soloist in the tradition of Mayall's guitarists. And definitely he is not into THAT kind of playing. Taylor was. Wood no, as that was his artistic choice.

But Ronnie's roots are way into American black music, there is no doubt about it. Whenever he is in an authentic blues environment he is at home like a fish in the water. Just like Keith is. Think of the Checkerboard with Muddy - an I mean not the notes, but the timing, the intention! Think of his guitar work on the recent you got the Silver or worried life blues in boogie for stu. There is an authenticity and knowledge in his interpretation that goes far more deep than that of most of the well recognized blues gods.


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Insofar as blues and rock'n'roll are inseparable, yes, but we're talking about his soloing and my point is that he is not a distinctive blues soloist in the way that many of his 60s contemporaries were and are. Ronnie Wood is not who one instinctively thinks of when the term 'British blues explosion' is used: he isn't a direct successor of the BB/Freddie/Albert tradition in the way Mayall's guitarists all were, nor did he update Otis Rush or Muddy Waters' back catalogues as Beck and Page did. Again, this isn't a criticism, nor am I trying to say that you need to play a Les Paul through a Marshall and practice your vibrato ten hours a day in order to qualify as a blues guitarist - just that Wood's roots lie elsewhere.

The same roots, but a different and more percussive approach. And most importantly, more true to that roots than forward-looking - like Taylor was. Taylor lent an ear to the early clasdic rock and prog-movement as well. I don't think Ronnie was interested in that at all.

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I was there (on this show), and Ronnie's solo sounds just as great today!

Er, really? The first couple of notes are okay (being the same as the studio version), then he just heads back to the pentatonic root position and starts blasting out the same Chuck Berry licks he always plays until Jagger cuts him off. It's not exactly a bad solo, but there's no real phrasing nor any attempt at melodic invention. It doesn't have much to do with the song. And Dandie: you can talk all you like about Taylorite snobbishness, but we are now on the twentieth page of you posting mediocre Ronnie Wood solos and criticising other posters for not being able to appreciate them.

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And that video only shows that Ronnie doesnt know how to play a solo, he doesnt have any idea of what to play and he doesnt have the skills to ad lib something interesting - it's the same two phrases, a chuck Berry lick and a blue note and when he panics he does his trademark "fast soloing" which could be interesting sometimes IF he knew what to play and did it good, with good timing, and not just played the scale real fast but actually did something with it, add something new and different.

Shattered was a good solo in 1981, nothing special, but suits the song and a nice short string of licks during the bridge.

Ronnies solo on YCAGWYW on LYL impressed me like hell when I was 14. So many notes, so fast, very cool sharp sounding guitar and you could tell by the pics of that silver guitar meant there will be great solos when you play it, and when you saw pics of Ronnie grinning and seemingly introspective you knew he was a better guitar player than the boring nerd before him.

This was before I'd heard any boots from 1969-1974. Or 1975- ... All I had was LYL and according to LYL Ronnie was a great guitar player. Why else would they give him so many solo spots. And it was all done live!

With that logic, Keith or Ronnie never played a good solo

What happened with appreciating the sound and feel an instrument makes?



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With that logic, Keith or Ronnie never played a good solo

What happened with appreciating the sound and feel an instrument makes?

Dandy, I srt of agree with Deluxtone. When posting the Faces version of "Id rather go blind" I actually passed over a few versions. And IMO the other versions are actually better. They are just veryu short, so I chose the one I posted. But on the shorter versions he for once sticks to a few choice, lonely notes. He does have this tendency to fall into this jagged, bursts of riffage. They are more for an effect than a pure statement. On his long CYHMK solos he catually surprised me for a while because he stayed down there, but those were mainly a version of the earlier Taylor solo.
Dont get me wrong - I love Ron Wood, but solos aren't his bag. His brst playing was in the 78 tour, and that was chiefly because they were BOTH playing at same time. he shines in the bending, two-stringing, off-the cuff, light-up-a cig, and laugh it all off style especially when Keith is carrying the meat and bones.
IMO this has so much to do with his core personality. he is a perennial No 2. very important, essential, but not the star.he never really SAYS anything; musically, in words, in his paintings.

Solos are his bag, but only the small tiaras - going in and out of rhythm, not the extended ones. This is just like his heros did in the 50s.

Mostly, it was like this in the Faces as well.

In 75/76, he played a guitar hero part, because the Stones wanted a smooth transition, I reckon.