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Vinyl Please !
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: May 8, 2013 20:01

I doubt that enough people to make it happen would join a campaign for the SG & Exile "bonus material" to be released on vinyl

...but please shout up if you'd welcome it

Re: Vinyl Please !
Posted by: watts fan ()
Date: May 8, 2013 20:16

I certainly would welcome that.

Re: Vinyl Please !
Posted by: Cristiano Radtke ()
Date: May 8, 2013 20:20

I would welcome almost anything that comes from the Stones in vinyl, for affordable prices. That's not the case of the Brussels Affair box set, for instance.

Re: Vinyl Please !
Posted by: kowalski ()
Date: May 8, 2013 20:23

Vinyl OK, but please from original masters. Not from digitally compressed & brickwalled remaster (like the Universal Music recent vinyl reissues of Stones back catalog).

Re: Vinyl Please !
Posted by: runaway ()
Date: May 8, 2013 20:25

I did buy SG and Exile on vinyl a long time ago, vinyls are populair again nowadays so who knows...

Re: Vinyl Please !
Posted by: Roscoe ()
Date: May 8, 2013 20:38

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kowalski
Vinyl OK, but please from original masters. Not from digitally compressed & brickwalled remaster (like the Universal Music recent vinyl reissues of Stones back catalog).


I've heard that the recent vinyl pressing of Beggars Banquet is actually quite good, remaster notwithstanding. And to a lesser degree, Let It Bleed. The rest are said to be typical remastered crap. Can anyone comment on BB and LiB? I haven't heard 'em.

Re: Vinyl Please !
Posted by: runaway ()
Date: May 8, 2013 20:55

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Roscoe
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kowalski
Vinyl OK, but please from original masters. Not from digitally compressed & brickwalled remaster (like the Universal Music recent vinyl reissues of Stones back catalog).


I've heard that the recent vinyl pressing of Beggars Banquet is actually quite good, remaster notwithstanding. And to a lesser degree, Let It Bleed. The rest are said to be typical remastered crap. Can anyone comment on BB and LiB? I haven't heard 'em.

The vinyl "Let It Bleed" 1969 still sounds great after all these years

Re: Vinyl Please !
Posted by: Roscoe ()
Date: May 8, 2013 21:16

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runaway
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Roscoe
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kowalski
Vinyl OK, but please from original masters. Not from digitally compressed & brickwalled remaster (like the Universal Music recent vinyl reissues of Stones back catalog).


I've heard that the recent vinyl pressing of Beggars Banquet is actually quite good, remaster notwithstanding. And to a lesser degree, Let It Bleed. The rest are said to be typical remastered crap. Can anyone comment on BB and LiB? I haven't heard 'em.

The vinyl "Let It Bleed" 1969 still sounds great after all these years

Yeah, I have UK and US '69 pressings of LiB and yes, they still sound great. '68 BB as well. But I'm asking about the recent repressings/remasters; not only about how they stand up to the originals, but how they stand on their own.

Re: Vinyl Please !
Posted by: kowalski ()
Date: May 8, 2013 21:35

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Roscoe
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kowalski
Vinyl OK, but please from original masters. Not from digitally compressed & brickwalled remaster (like the Universal Music recent vinyl reissues of Stones back catalog).


I've heard that the recent vinyl pressing of Beggars Banquet is actually quite good, remaster notwithstanding. And to a lesser degree, Let It Bleed. The rest are said to be typical remastered crap. Can anyone comment on BB and LiB? I haven't heard 'em.


The vinyl reissues of BB and LIB are good (and all albums from the 60's actually) as they're made from Bob Ludwig 2002 remasters which are respectful of the original recordings.
Problems start with Sticky Fingers to ABB : these vinyls are made from 2009 digital remasters which are very loud and don't suit to vinyl pressing. (even on CD they sound terrible)


Edit :

A review of the vinyl reissue of Exile on Main St : Exile For the iPod Generation

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[...]
Now, about that sound: first I just played the new reissued double vinyl mastered by Doug Sax at The Mastering Lab. How many times have I heard this record? Probably hundreds. This new re-mastering sounded compacted, spatially flattened, deliberately dynamically compressed and shockingly bass-shy. The horns that are supposed to cut through with a mean edge on “Rocks Off” were limp, Charlie’s signature snare sound was soft. I mean it really sucks on a stereo but probably will sound swell on an iPod played back with cheap earbuds. The mastering gamesmanship does produce the sensation of more detail and greater transparency but it's sham detail and sham transparency. This production has had it's balls cut off.

Switching to the Stephen Marcussen mastered CD produced essentially the same blah results (you can hear the same tape "crinkle" 3 minutes into "Casino Boogie" on both) so blame him not Doug Sax who cut the vinyl from 44.1k/24 bit files and it sounds like it. The added bit depth does make the vinyl sound somewhat more detailed but why bother with the vinyl? Too bad, because the pressing quality is excellent. I have trouble believing this was pressed at United in Nashville. I bet it was pressed at Rainbo in L.A., which has really stepped up to the quality plate.

In fact why bother with this at all when if you play Bob Ludwig’s CD mastering for Virgin years ago, you’ll hear what this record is supposed to sound like, as intended for a real grown up stereo system, with bass, full dynamic range and as much three-dimensionality as redbook CD can manage, which admittedly isn’t much.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-05-08 21:47 by kowalski.

Re: Vinyl Please !
Posted by: runaway ()
Date: May 8, 2013 21:58

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Roscoe
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runaway
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Roscoe
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kowalski
Vinyl OK, but please from original masters. Not from digitally compressed & brickwalled remaster (like the Universal Music recent vinyl reissues of Stones back catalog).


I've heard that the recent vinyl pressing of Beggars Banquet is actually quite good, remaster notwithstanding. And to a lesser degree, Let It Bleed. The rest are said to be typical remastered crap. Can anyone comment on BB and LiB? I haven't heard 'em.

The vinyl "Let It Bleed" 1969 still sounds great after all these years

Yeah, I have UK and US '69 pressings of LiB and yes, they still sound great. '68 BB as well. But I'm asking about the recent repressings/remasters; not only about how they stand up to the originals, but how they stand on their own.

ok. I myself have no "repressings" only originals and still buy lots of vinyls second hands. There is a difference in sound quality as well with old original vinyls, probably the fact of the quantity of pressings, but nowadays some of the new original vinyls sound pretty good I think.

Re: Vinyl Please !
Posted by: Roscoe ()
Date: May 8, 2013 22:02

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kowalski
Quote
Roscoe
Quote
kowalski
Vinyl OK, but please from original masters. Not from digitally compressed & brickwalled remaster (like the Universal Music recent vinyl reissues of Stones back catalog).


I've heard that the recent vinyl pressing of Beggars Banquet is actually quite good, remaster notwithstanding. And to a lesser degree, Let It Bleed. The rest are said to be typical remastered crap. Can anyone comment on BB and LiB? I haven't heard 'em.


The vinyl reissues of BB and LIB are good (and all albums from the 60's actually) as they're made from Bob Ludwig 2002 remasters which are respectful of the original recordings.
Problems start with Sticky Fingers to ABB : these vinyls are made from 2009 digital remasters which are very loud and don't suit to vinyl pressing. (even on CD they sound terrible)


Edit :

A review of the vinyl reissue of Exile on Main St : Exile For the iPod Generation

Quote

[...]
Now, about that sound: first I just played the new reissued double vinyl mastered by Doug Sax at The Mastering Lab. How many times have I heard this record? Probably hundreds. This new re-mastering sounded compacted, spatially flattened, deliberately dynamically compressed and shockingly bass-shy. The horns that are supposed to cut through with a mean edge on “Rocks Off” were limp, Charlie’s signature snare sound was soft. I mean it really sucks on a stereo but probably will sound swell on an iPod played back with cheap earbuds. The mastering gamesmanship does produce the sensation of more detail and greater transparency but it's sham detail and sham transparency. This production has had it's balls cut off.

Switching to the Stephen Marcussen mastered CD produced essentially the same blah results (you can hear the same tape "crinkle" 3 minutes into "Casino Boogie" on both) so blame him not Doug Sax who cut the vinyl from 44.1k/24 bit files and it sounds like it. The added bit depth does make the vinyl sound somewhat more detailed but why bother with the vinyl? Too bad, because the pressing quality is excellent. I have trouble believing this was pressed at United in Nashville. I bet it was pressed at Rainbo in L.A., which has really stepped up to the quality plate.

In fact why bother with this at all when if you play Bob Ludwig’s CD mastering for Virgin years ago, you’ll hear what this record is supposed to sound like, as intended for a real grown up stereo system, with bass, full dynamic range and as much three-dimensionality as redbook CD can manage, which admittedly isn’t much.

Thanks; I appreciate the confirmation. (I've read your comments on such matters in the past.)

Re: Vinyl Please !
Posted by: Blueranger ()
Date: May 8, 2013 22:26

The 2010 vinyl box of sixties releases, is still extremely good on all concerns!
It's certainly not crap at all. Maybe you prefer original pressings, but to say the 2010 vinyls are bad is simply not true.

However, the Exile and Some Girls bonus discs, exists as boot vinyls and they sound fine.

Re: Vinyl Please !
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: May 8, 2013 22:31

Vinyl LPs are definitely making a come back [www.digitalmusicnews.com]

1 million sales in 2006, over 4 million sales last year, up from 300,000 in 1993




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