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Doxa
Yeah, the things are starting to look a bit worrying for our dreams.
It is like a Buffalo Bill Wild West Show where they are presenting this freaky character Sitting Bull as a special attraction but with a limited role...
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Doxa
Yeah, the things are starting to look a bit worrying for our dreams.
It is like a Buffalo Bill Wild West Show where they are presenting this freaky character Sitting Bull as a special attraction but with a limited role...
- Doxa
Dream on. Jagger is the boss, and he's not deaf, and a calculating control freak.
If Taylor would have the same sound and fluidity like back in the days, or come close, he had played on more songs already after all these shows.
It requires more than just being MT: you have to be steady, on every, every song.
Mick lacks that routine and focus at this time, for whatever reasons.
He has to change it, and fast, cause time is running out.
A pity, I'm his biggest fan.
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Based on what I saw in Oakland tonight, I agree. But it was still great to see him. The rest of the show was so strong, I don't regret MT not playing more - they've got the other songs in pretty good shape I think.
Sorry, but I call BS. The guy hasn't been allowed to work WITH them and gain a rhythm. Only got to go to the last few days of rehearsal, and he can't do anything less since they are only giving him one song. If they put him on more than one song, he'd be steadier. But his one song BIG guest spot makes him have to work overtime and prove something as opposed to fitting in. Out of Taylor, Ronnie, and Keith, I would bet Taylor is the easiest to still be able to play how he used to. Either the Stones see that and don't want to upgrade his part, or they don't really care and are trying to use him to his most limited potential to still advertise and gain interest. Either way, I don't think his playing one song is a result of him not having impressed Sir Mick and Keith enough. I do still think as the tour goes on he will definitely get more songs, but as of right now I have no other way of putting it other than he's getting screwed. Sorry, but one song is a dick move on their part.Quote
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Doxa
Yeah, the things are starting to look a bit worrying for our dreams.
It is like a Buffalo Bill Wild West Show where they are presenting this freaky character Sitting Bull as a special attraction but with a limited role...
- Doxa
Dream on. Jagger is the boss, and he's not deaf, and a calculating control freak.
If Taylor would have the same sound and fluidity like back in the days, or come close, he had played on more songs already after all these shows.
It requires more than just being MT: you have to be steady, on every, every song.
Mick lacks that routine and focus at this time, for whatever reasons.
He has to change it, and fast, cause time is running out.
A pity, I'm his biggest fan.
Based on what I saw in Oakland tonight, I agree. But it was still great to see him. The rest of the show was so strong, I don't regret MT not playing more - they've got the other songs in pretty good shape I think.
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blueyestoo
Excellent idea from Sigghunt who tried posting a petition on the Stones FB site. But it must have been taken down (at least I could not see it).
Some of you mentioned sending Twitter message to Jagger. Great idea! I heard he reads Twitter messages. Rather than preach to the choir on this thread, let's get the message through to the source.
I do not think it would be perceived as demanding -- I think Jagger would be pretty interested to know what the hard-core fans are really thinking. Strange to say, he really might not have a clue. I mean, if we do not ask him, who else would dare?
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Excellent idea from Sigghunt who tried posting a petition on the Stones FB site. But it must have been taken down (at least I could not see it).
Some of you mentioned sending Twitter message to Jagger. Great idea! I heard he reads Twitter messages. Rather than preach to the choir on this thread, let's get the message through to the source.
I do not think it would be perceived as demanding -- I think Jagger would be pretty interested to know what the hard-core fans are really thinking. Strange to say, he really might not have a clue. I mean, if we do not ask him, who else would dare?
I posted this yesterday. It still appears to be on the Facebook account and the two replies were not favorable....I did my best....
Scott Sigel Open letter to Mick Jagger re: Mick Taylor
Mick, we know that you are in control of and/or have the final say on many facets of the 2013 tour. This tour will more than likely be your swan song and we know that you want to go out on top. You are now in a very unique position to utilize the talents of Mick Taylor to make a lasting contribution to your legacy. Certainly, his addition to this tour has been significant on Midnight Rambler, but if you are going to bring him along for the entire tour in 2013, wouldn't it make more sense to invite him to play on a mini-set of three songs such as Love In Vain, Can't You Hear Me Knocking or Time Waits for No One where you really utilize his guitar talents? On prior occasions via interviews, etc, you yourself have claimed that Mick Taylor's presence in the Rolling Stones was significant regarding his contributions to the band. Many, many long time Rolling Stones fans who are planning to attend the current tour (and have paid for premium seats) are doing so under the assumption that Mick Taylor was to be on board in a more expanded role. Think of it Mick, what a great way to end a very successful musical career and add to your legacy by having one of your greatest assests on stage in a three guitar attack that would wow the fans every night and garner fantastic reviews!
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Stephen Conn Taylor is an overrated overplayer. Two songs then off. Guitar masturbation is boring.
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Steve Lawshe Mick Taylor was a big part of many of the Stones best songs, but he quit the band and now he is supposed to come in after all these yrs and show up Ronnie by taking his parts back? Not likely. I wish everyone would quit complaining and just dig this amazing tour!
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Sorry, but I call BS. The guy hasn't been allowed to work WITH them and gain a rhythm. Only got to go to the last few days of rehearsal, and he can't do anything less since they are only giving him one song. If they put him on more than one song, he'd be steadier. But his one song BIG guest spot makes him have to work overtime and prove something as opposed to fitting in. Out of Taylor, Ronnie, and Keith, I would bet Taylor is the easiest to still be able to play how he used to. Either the Stones see that and don't want to upgrade his part, or they don't really care and are trying to use him to his most limited potential to still advertise and gain interest. Either way, I don't think his playing one song is a result of him not having impressed Sir Mick and Keith enough. I do still think as the tour goes on he will definitely get more songs, but as of right now I have no other way of putting it other than he's getting screwed. Sorry, but one song is a dick move on their part.
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gotdablouse
Wait, are some now saying that if he's not playing more is because he's not technically up to it ?! Doesn't make a lot of sense, besides if that were the case it would certainly be easier to have him play a solo on Sway than to ask him to improvise on MR, no ?
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Doxa
Yeah, the things are starting to look a bit worrying for our dreams.
It is like a Buffalo Bill Wild West Show where they are presenting this freaky character Sitting Bull as a special attraction but with a limited role...
- Doxa
Dream on. Jagger is the boss, and he's not deaf, and a calculating control freak.
If Taylor would have the same sound and fluidity like back in the days, or come close, he had played on more songs already after all these shows.
It requires more than just being MT: you have to be steady, on every, every song.
Mick lacks that routine and focus at this time, for whatever reasons.
He has to change it, and fast, cause time is running out.
A pity, I'm his biggest fan.
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gotdablouse
Wait, are some now saying that if he's not playing more is because he's not technically up to it ?! Doesn't make a lot of sense, besides if that were the case it would certainly be easier to have him play a solo on Sway than to ask him to improvise on MR, no ?
It doesn't matter which songs he's playing on. There's room on every song to let him play beautiful lines.
I'm not stating that it's Mick fault he's only playing one song, but if you don't hear the technical/timing and melodic decline, I suggest to get the wax out of your ears.
Don't get me wrong, I don't blame him. Maybe he found out that there's more in life than playing the guitar.
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Doxa
Yeah, the things are starting to look a bit worrying for our dreams.
It is like a Buffalo Bill Wild West Show where they are presenting this freaky character Sitting Bull as a special attraction but with a limited role...
- Doxa
Dream on. Jagger is the boss, and he's not deaf, and a calculating control freak.
If Taylor would have the same sound and fluidity like back in the days, or come close, he had played on more songs already after all these shows.
It requires more than just being MT: you have to be steady, on every, every song.
Mick lacks that routine and focus at this time, for whatever reasons.
He has to change it, and fast, cause time is running out.
A pity, I'm his biggest fan.
You may be his biggest fan and very disappointed as well, but you pull the wrong conclusion by blaming Taylor for not being used on more songs. That's simply ridiculous. Do you expect Taylor to be a masochist or what? (Well, sometimes one is going to think that, regarding his circus act kind of role during this tour (so far).
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Doxa
Yeah, the things are starting to look a bit worrying for our dreams.
It is like a Buffalo Bill Wild West Show where they are presenting this freaky character Sitting Bull as a special attraction but with a limited role...
- Doxa
Dream on. Jagger is the boss, and he's not deaf, and a calculating control freak.
If Taylor would have the same sound and fluidity like back in the days, or come close, he had played on more songs already after all these shows.
It requires more than just being MT: you have to be steady, on every, every song.
Mick lacks that routine and focus at this time, for whatever reasons.
He has to change it, and fast, cause time is running out.
A pity, I'm his biggest fan.
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Doxa
Yeah, the things are starting to look a bit worrying for our dreams.
It is like a Buffalo Bill Wild West Show where they are presenting this freaky character Sitting Bull as a special attraction but with a limited role...
- Doxa
Dream on. Jagger is the boss, and he's not deaf, and a calculating control freak.
If Taylor would have the same sound and fluidity like back in the days, or come close, he had played on more songs already after all these shows.
It requires more than just being MT: you have to be steady, on every, every song.
Mick lacks that routine and focus at this time, for whatever reasons.
He has to change it, and fast, cause time is running out.
A pity, I'm his biggest fan.
You may be his biggest fan and very disappointed as well, but you pull the wrong conclusion by blaming Taylor for not being used on more songs. That's simply ridiculous. Do you expect Taylor to be a masochist or what? (Well, sometimes one is going to think that, regarding his circus act kind of role during this tour (so far).
I'm not blaming him, if your read my previous post, but I do think his chances to play more songs would be bigger if he did a better job, and you and I know he can do that- thanks again for the snippet you sent me
I agree he has to be a masochist regarding this circus act - which is bigger than you can imagine in your wildest dreams.
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Doxa
Yeah, the things are starting to look a bit worrying for our dreams.
It is like a Buffalo Bill Wild West Show where they are presenting this freaky character Sitting Bull as a special attraction but with a limited role...
- Doxa
Dream on. Jagger is the boss, and he's not deaf, and a calculating control freak.
If Taylor would have the same sound and fluidity like back in the days, or come close, he had played on more songs already after all these shows.
It requires more than just being MT: you have to be steady, on every, every song.
Mick lacks that routine and focus at this time, for whatever reasons.
He has to change it, and fast, cause time is running out.
A pity, I'm his biggest fan.
You may be his biggest fan and very disappointed as well, but you pull the wrong conclusion by blaming Taylor for not being used on more songs. That's simply ridiculous. Do you expect Taylor to be a masochist or what? (Well, sometimes one is going to think that, regarding his circus act kind of role during this tour (so far).
I'm not blaming him, if your read my previous post, but I do think his chances to play more songs would be bigger if he did a better job, and you and I know he can do that- thanks again for the snippet you sent me
I agree he has to be a masochist regarding this circus act - which is bigger than you can imagine in your wildest dreams.
You were doubting his technical skills and said Taylor lacks routine and focus now and adviced him to improve, suggesting that by doing so he would have a chance to play on more songs. RollingFreak replied already adequately, so I won't repeat that. Of course he can do a better job, but I'm afraid that's not what they're asking him. I think he's supposed to play the way he does now on MR and that's it. He could easily play otherwise, as we both know well.
As to me, I was very agreeably surprised when he played on MR end of last year, but now it's just humiliating to see him being used as a circus act. Not only humiliating for Taylor himself but also for those who love his playing with the Stones during the Taylor-era (and too bad for 71 Tele who was at last evening's show to see Taylor and the Stones for the first time in his life).
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Doxa
Yeah, the things are starting to look a bit worrying for our dreams.
It is like a Buffalo Bill Wild West Show where they are presenting this freaky character Sitting Bull as a special attraction but with a limited role...
- Doxa
Dream on. Jagger is the boss, and he's not deaf, and a calculating control freak.
If Taylor would have the same sound and fluidity like back in the days, or come close, he had played on more songs already after all these shows.
It requires more than just being MT: you have to be steady, on every, every song.
Mick lacks that routine and focus at this time, for whatever reasons.
He has to change it, and fast, cause time is running out.
A pity, I'm his biggest fan.
You may be his biggest fan and very disappointed as well, but you pull the wrong conclusion by blaming Taylor for not being used on more songs. That's simply ridiculous. Do you expect Taylor to be a masochist or what? (Well, sometimes one is going to think that, regarding his circus act kind of role during this tour (so far).
I'm not blaming him, if your read my previous post, but I do think his chances to play more songs would be bigger if he did a better job, and you and I know he can do that- thanks again for the snippet you sent me
I agree he has to be a masochist regarding this circus act - which is bigger than you can imagine in your wildest dreams.
You were doubting his technical skills and said Taylor lacks routine and focus now and adviced him to improve, suggesting that by doing so he would have a chance to play on more songs. RollingFreak replied already adequately, so I won't repeat that. Of course he can do a better job, but I'm afraid that's not what they're asking him. I think he's supposed to play the way he does now on MR and that's it. He could easily play otherwise, as we both know well.
As to me, I was very agreeably surprised when he played on MR end of last year, but now it's just humiliating to see him being used as a circus act. Not only humiliating for Taylor himself but also for those who love his playing with the Stones during the Taylor-era (and too bad for 71 Tele who was at last evening's show to see Taylor and the Stones for the first time in his life).
I do think Taylor lacks practise, so as far as that is concerned, RF's reply is not adequate to me.
I do believe you're right when stating the Stones won't him to noodle as much like he did in
the good old days, but wanting him to play like he does now would make Mick a schizoprenic player. I don't buy that. To me it's a matter of practise.
Anyway, let's hope to hear more playing and more songs with Taylor.