are you kidding? i graduated HIGH school 1967...we used to take acid to go the market much less a show...atom heart mother tour at the santa monica civic auditorium we were sitting about seventh row center....at the start of "careful with that axe eugene" a guy sitting in the second or first row of the orchestra pit jumped up with his hands cupped over his ears screaming "stop! stop!" roger waters walked to the edge of the stage and kneeled down and spoke to him trying to calm him down i guess and then the guy's friends walked him out of the aud into the lobby...we all looked at each other with a gigantic sigh of relief like "shit, that could've been me!" on a less happy (!!!) note...at the LA coliseum show (the one where prince got booed off the stage) a guy came walking through the crowd selling hits of blotter...between my friends and me we bought about ten hits...he was selling 'em for two bucks a pop...he sold at least thirty others while he was in our area...he had a baggie with what looked like twenty sheets in it....20-30 minutes later nothing...an hour later, nothing....we all looked at each other and realized the little prick had sold us cardboard...he must've worked his way through the crowd and sold out and then fled the scene....to this day i still want to kick his ass....still a good show though
Don't you get capital punishment in the US if you smoke a joint? So, in one way Americans hate Holland for the liberal policy we have on soft drugs, in the other they all visit gigs drugged up and spent the entire summer in Dutch coffee shops blowing their minds out. Isn't that hypocrit?
I think there is something wrong with the logics here. Just because you go to the Netherlands don't mean you go there to blow your mind. I have been to the Netherlands many times but not for blowing my mind.
Quote: "they all visit gigs drugged up". I haven't seen more drugged up people in the Netherlands than other places. And most people are not drugged up.
bv Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think there is something wrong with the logics > here. Just because you go to the Netherlands don't > mean you go there to blow your mind. I have been > to the Netherlands many times but not for blowing > my mind.
I am talking about the Americans whom visit Amsterdam to get stoned and to get laid. In the summer, 80% of the people in coffee shops in Amsterdam are Americans, enjoying the fruits of our liberal policy. I don't condemn people doing drugs (I love a good joint once in a while), but I condemn the hypocrits. And, I was just having fun on a sunday morning.
I did acid before a Wembley concert once. Bit scary, but what I remember was that whichever bandmember I was looking at became instantly much louder. Like a mixing desk in my head! I had a lot of fun with that.
I have heard you will close the coffee shops for foreigners and also may be the red light district so then if your theory is right there will be no more Americans in Amsterdam. But I don't think most Americans go to Holland for this reason. I believe Americans are honest and hard working people like the rest of us.
bv - I don't really get it. Are tou suggesting that people who smoke some pot aren't honest and hard working? How did you come up with a theory like that. Please, feel free to explain your train of thought here. Btw, I recall that you've been asking people on this board to think before they type. I hope that suggestion goes for you too.
>>Going to a Stones show and get high? Hmmm... >>Is there any other way?
We thought it was fun in the sixties and seventies but there was a high casualty rate, not only the obvious druggie deaths like Jones, Hendrix, Joplin but a lot of burnt out pot headed ex hippies today. With acid you really are screwing around with your mind, definately a dead end. If you can't just let it flow and enjoy the music and life on it's own merits then you probably got a problem, or one in the making, and I seriously doubt in the long run the drugs are going to do you much good. Not a popular position to take, I expect flack on this one, but i don't doubt it needs to be said.
Mathijs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Don't you get capital punishment in the US if you > smoke a joint? So, in one way Americans hate > Holland for the liberal policy we have on soft > drugs, in the other they all visit gigs drugged up > and spent the entire summer in Dutch coffee shops > blowing their minds out. Isn't that hypocrit? > > Mathijs
Hound Dog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Mathijs Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > You sound like such an ignorant piece of crap! >
Well, why is that? Please explain.
Mathijs ps btw, read today in the paper that even the president of the Glorious United Stated smoked pot, used cocaine and had an alcohol problem. I truly don't care about that (never judge someone for something you do yourself too), but he lied about it!
ps 2 BV: In Holland you have to proove your over 18 to buy weed, and in some boarder cities they don't sell to Frenchmen and Germans, as they come in by shiploads and cause some troubles in the smaller cities, especially in the south of Holland.
Many seem unaware that not all Americans support Bush and his right wing agenda, and indeed the country is pretty sharply split along these lines, when we look at the popular vote during the last election. I don't like many of the Ugly American attitudes others are criticizing here, but know alot of Yanks aren't really like this at all, and maybe embarrased by these attitudes as well. In short no one group of people is completely homogenous/ the same, so to just label all of them ignorant in this way is wrong/ incorrect. Perhaps the Stones and other rock acts tend to draw a more radical crowd, but every time I've gone to concerts stateside I've seen ALOT of dope smoking, drugs, so I kinda doubt they have to go to Europe to get high. Perhaps they like the more relaxed laws in some parts there, indeed we get many coming to Canada for these reasons too, whenever things get too uptight there, they seem to flock here, like during the sixites/ seventies, Vietnam and all. I digress, but since the Bush reelection there are rumours we may see anther Exodus very soon. We'll see.
Mathijs Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ps 2 BV: In Holland you have to proove your over > 18 to buy weed, and in some boarder cities they > don't sell to Frenchmen and Germans, as they come > in by shiploads and cause some troubles in the > smaller cities, especially in the south of > Holland.
I must agree. I Work life and work in a southern city in Holland. 95% of ALL people visiting from abroad come here for one thing only.....drugs. I don't care as long as they 'behave', but usually they don't........ (after taking loads of drugs before they hit the road back home). They think that just because Holland is liberal towards drugs, they will tolarate just about everything else!
Mathijs. over the past two years I have come to respect a lot of what you post, but then at times you loose me.
When you post about American attitudes and your view of us, your posts often resonate with the same blind un-informed prejudiced views that you accuse all Americans of; it seems that you have the same bigoted ideas ABOUT us that you claim to hate IN us. Let me tell you, America is a huge place full of disenting opinions.
I live on a tiny Pacifc Ilsand where maybe only 5% of the population is even Caucasion, and English is not the native tonque, and yet, we are part of America and proud of it. Myself, I grew up in the "heartland," Indiana, as red as a state can get where Bush is hero worshipped. I do not support a lot of what Bush does.In fact on many social issues George and I are diametrically opposed.
When you estimate 80% of the population in the coffee shops to be American, does it ever occur to you that that number, while it may seem large to you, is probably much less than 2% of the US population? 75% of Americans do not even have a passport, most with passports do not visit Amsteredam, not as a case of prejudice but as a point of Mathematics. Of those that visit, many like myself never smoke while we are there so the two % is a probably a great exageration for your benefit, and yet you want to typify all of us by that number. In doing so, however, you forgive your native countrymen that pander to the people that you are criticizing. By your logic, I would have to assume that all of your countrymen have a problem with Americans and that those coffeeshop owners that serve Americans are indeed hypopcrites and thus by extension your entire country is full of hypocrites. In the extreme application of your logic, I would have to say the Dutch are all whores putting their moral conviction behind them while attempting to suck up US dollars in their coffeeshops. I know better than that and wish that on occasion you would let your anti-American sentiments scala down enough to take a look at the big picture of my fellow citizens. I also wish to inform you that those people in the coffee shops are hardly hypocritical: they smoke weed at home no matter what the law says. The coffee shops are not full of people that are anti-drug crusaders at home coming to Amsterdam to try it all for the first time or hide their use from their political partners.
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