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and see if .............
THEY PROVIDE ACCESS to the GA TIER 3 AREA AT THE FRONT OF THE STAGE FROM THE TIER 1 & 2 SECTIONS
And if they do, what will you do, push all the T1 that have been there all day and make your way to the front ?
There's going to be a lot of pushing to the front going on - Tier 3 will be the law of the jungle, and the biggest boots and the sharpest elbows will win, with no quarter given for age or height or sex. Entering the scrum from the Tier 1 or Tier 2 area will give you a shorter distance to push, that's all, plus a certain amount of resentment from those who have already got there the hard way. I don't think I'd fancy it myself, and if I were the organisers I'd think about the trouble it might cause. Having people in a clearly marked FOS area they have paid for is one thing. Having them suddenly invade your area at the last minute is quite another.
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paulywaul
and see if .............
THEY PROVIDE ACCESS to the GA TIER 3 AREA AT THE FRONT OF THE STAGE FROM THE TIER 1 & 2 SECTIONS
And if they do, what will you do, push all the T1 that have been there all day and make your way to the front ?
There's going to be a lot of pushing to the front going on - Tier 3 will be the law of the jungle, and the biggest boots and the sharpest elbows will win, with no quarter given for age or height or sex.
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gotdablouse
Again, offering a refund does not get them off the hook from being investigated for fraud, thanks again to Beast for uncovering that fact with her research.
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paulywaul
and see if .............
THEY PROVIDE ACCESS to the GA TIER 3 AREA AT THE FRONT OF THE STAGE FROM THE TIER 1 & 2 SECTIONS
And if they do, what will you do, push all the T1 that have been there all day and make your way to the front ?
There's going to be a lot of pushing to the front going on - Tier 3 will be the law of the jungle, and the biggest boots and the sharpest elbows will win, with no quarter given for age or height or sex.
Really? Even with most of the audience being in their 50s and 60s?
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gotdablouse
Again, offering a refund does not get them off the hook from being investigated for fraud, thanks again to Beast for uncovering that fact with her research.
I'm no expert but from what I learned at university in two law courses this is wrong. If you purchased an item because of wrong descriptions you can rescind the contract. Than everything is "rolled back". You don't get your item but your money back. As if you never bought it. We're speaking about civil law violations, not about criminal law. Nothing will be "investigated".
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gotdablouse
Again, offering a refund does not get them off the hook from being investigated for fraud, thanks again to Beast for uncovering that fact with her research.
I'm no expert but from what I learned at university in two law courses this is wrong. If you purchased an item because of wrong descriptions you can rescind the contract. Than everything is "rolled back". You don't get your item but your money back. As if you never bought it. We're speaking about civil law violations, not about criminal law. Nothing will be "investigated".
But what if it's not an item but an event? You attend the event and discover that you are not getting what you were contracted to receive. Surely you will be entitled to a refund afterwards, at least a partial one. It's no different from people being put into an inferior hotel on holiday.
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gotdablouse
Again, offering a refund does not get them off the hook from being investigated for fraud, thanks again to Beast for uncovering that fact with her research.
I'm no expert but from what I learned at university in two law courses this is wrong. If you purchased an item because of wrong descriptions you can rescind the contract. Than everything is "rolled back". You don't get your item but your money back. As if you never bought it. We're speaking about civil law violations, not about criminal law. Nothing will be "investigated".
But what if it's not an item but an event? You attend the event and discover that you are not getting what you were contracted to receive. Surely you will be entitled to a refund afterwards, at least a partial one. It's no different from people being put into an inferior hotel on holiday.
You can get compensation for loss you suffered because you were in good belief to get the right item - so maybe flights and hotel. But in separate court cases probably.
EDIT: As many on here state "I want what I bought" is simply wrong and without legal basis. You have no right to get what you were promised. If someone sells you a Ferrari for 1€ you probably won't get it. And you have no right to claim it. But you can get your money back.
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I agree there is no more than 20-30 on this forum I can imagine there will be at least 10,000 people in Tier 1 & 2 some of who would have come a long way, it could be interesting, I'm with paulyway they could offer a back door entrance to the front of the stage, that may keep all parties happy
You assume everyone of those has bought the ticket mostly for the FOS access. Some probably have bought those for the hospitality stuff, come and go as you please aspect, or so they don't have to mingle with the peasants in GA.
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I agree there is no more than 20-30 on this forum I can imagine there will be at least 10,000 people in Tier 1 & 2 some of who would have come a long way, it could be interesting, I'm with paulyway they could offer a back door entrance to the front of the stage, that may keep all parties happy
You assume everyone of those has bought the ticket mostly for the FOS access. Some probably have bought those for the hospitality stuff, come and go as you please aspect, or so they don't have to mingle with the peasants in GA.
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Lilla Chinchilla
I want to be in Tier 2, where my ticket is valid,
and I want it to be like I was promised when I bought them:
"GA Tier 2 – access to an area closer to the stage than general admission"
What of the GA ticket people who bought them with the knowledge that they would, supposing they get there early enough, have access to the front of stage as per the actual official layout?
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Tier 1 + 2 Total = 5,000 Tickets
minus however many they refund or change to GA 3
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Again, offering a refund does not get them off the hook from being investigated for fraud, thanks again to Beast for uncovering that fact with her research.
I'm no expert but from what I learned at university in two law courses this is wrong. If you purchased an item because of wrong descriptions you can rescind the contract. Than everything is "rolled back". You don't get your item but your money back. As if you never bought it. We're speaking about civil law violations, not about criminal law. Nothing will be "investigated".
But what if it's not an item but an event? You attend the event and discover that you are not getting what you were contracted to receive. Surely you will be entitled to a refund afterwards, at least a partial one. It's no different from people being put into an inferior hotel on holiday.
You can get compensation for loss you suffered because you were in good belief to get the right item - so maybe flights and hotel. But in separate court cases probably.
EDIT: As many on here state "I want what I bought" is simply wrong and without legal basis. You have no right to get what you were promised. If someone sells you a Ferrari for 1€ you probably won't get it. And you have no right to claim it. But you can get your money back.
Exactly! You can get your money back.
I find the prospect of going to the gig, then getting my money back much more attractive than our mate "Rob"'s proposition of NOT going to the gig and getting our money back so he can sell our tickets to some other sucker.
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So again, what of the GA people who bought their tickets with the knowledge that they would be able to ghet to the front so long as they we early enough?
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I want to be in Tier 2, where my ticket is valid,
and I want it to be like I was promised when I bought them:
"GA Tier 2 – access to an area closer to the stage than general admission"
What of the GA ticket people who bought them with the knowledge that they would, supposing they get there early enough, have access to the front of stage as per the actual official layout?
I wrote this on Facebook today,
it´s a little explanation why I´am not interested in be there early to get a chance to be in the FOS area:
Many seem to think that those who buy the most expensive tickets are not the most loyal fans.
Before, I could afford to buy FOS tickets, it was not so expensive then. Last year at the O2 arena, I could not afford tongue pit tickets. I can not stand long anymore. Would never have the energy to stand for several hours before a concert and wait, then I would be half dead when the concert started . (It is not only Stones that have become older, even some of us fans ...)
This time, I chose to purchase a rather expensive ticket to get a chance to see something on such a large place like Hyde Park. I want to be able to see pretty well without having to stand there for hours. With the money I paid, I think I'm worth a good place! I love the Stones and seeing them in HP will be very special.
That addresses what you want and is completely understandible and of course fair given the description of the tikcet you bought, but you were mis sold a ticket, what was stated was not what the ticket actually gives you.
So again, what of the GA people who bought their tickets with the knowledge that they would be able to ghet to the front so long as they we early enough?
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Karlos123
As many on here state "I want what I bought" is simply wrong and without legal basis. You have no right to get what you were promised. If someone sells you a Ferrari for 1€ you probably won't get it. And you have no right to claim it. But you can get your money back.
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His Majesty
That suggestion brings up problems of people coming and going as they please etc and many GA ticket holders are still being denied what they are supposed to have.
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I agree there is no more than 20-30 on this forum I can imagine there will be at least 10,000 people in Tier 1 & 2 some of who would have come a long way, it could be interesting, I'm with paulyway they could offer a back door entrance to the front of the stage, that may keep all parties happy
You assume everyone of those has bought the ticket mostly for the FOS access. Some probably have bought those for the hospitality stuff, come and go as you please aspect, or so they don't have to mingle with the peasants in GA.
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So again, what of the GA people who bought their tickets with the knowledge that they would be able to ghet to the front so long as they we early enough?
As MRambler et al have suggested:
Reinstate the Bon Jovi-style layout and give free passes to the earliest T3 arrivals. Other T3 punters would also be able to reach FOS at the sides.
It's so simple.
That suggestion brings up problems of people coming and going as they please etc and many GA ticket holders are still being denied what they are supposed to have.
They are already doing the simplest thing which is to leave it as it is mean't to be and offer refunds and downgrades.