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I never understood why this version wasn't included on GYYYO. Also never understood why the vocals had to be overdubbed.

Because Taylor is out of tune for the first half of the song.

Mathijs

Oh Christ. Keith's Dan Armstrong guitar was almost always out of tune that whole tour, yet you choose to focus on Taylor.

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I never understood why this version wasn't included on GYYYO. Also never understood why the vocals had to be overdubbed.

Because Taylor is out of tune for the first half of the song.

Mathijs

Oh Christ. Keith's Dan Armstrong guitar was almost always out of tune that whole tour, yet you choose to focus on Taylor.

Out of tune or not, it's simply the best JJF from the 69 Tour.

No one wants to keep an out of tune-guitar on a live album, no matter who's guitar.

However, they could easily have done an overdub - and it is indeed a great version...

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No one wants to keep an out of tune-guitar on a live album, no matter who's guitar.

However, they could easily have done an overdub - and it is indeed a great version...

The fact is, there were quite a few out of tune guitars on the '69 tour. Not sure the reason, as it is kind of a unique sound to that tour. My theory is it started at Hyde Park and they liked it so much they decided to keep it going!

No claim at all to speak as an 'expert' here whatever that means, but this out-of-tune feeling I also get when listening to a lot of non-official live recordings of 1969 is really strange and after all much enjoyable. As I try to play with my own guitar some of these tunes, especially the open G parts I found out that due maybe to the slackness or tightness of some of the strings mostly in non-Telecaster guitars you get this slightly out-of-tune feeling.I don't know the reason however. Maybe short-scale guitars deal differently with open tunings than let's say a Telecaster. I might also talk nonsense here, I don't know.
Now regarding Taylor's playing in Gimme Shelter JJF I find it brilliant! Nice companion in standard tuning along with Keith's part and excellent soloing! To the point! It might be heard as out of tune because I think he slightly hits the 3rd and 6th strings when playing the riff along Keith in standard tuning letting ring a D note on the 3rd string and a B note on the 6th string where they actually 'shouldn't be'. That gives a certain whirl to the riff and I would say that he does this on purpose.

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No one wants to keep an out of tune-guitar on a live album, no matter who's guitar.

However, they could easily have done an overdub - and it is indeed a great version...

The fact is, there were quite a few out of tune guitars on the '69 tour. Not sure the reason, as it is kind of a unique sound to that tour. My theory is it started at Hyde Park and they liked it so much they decided to keep it going!

That is very true, but they didn´t keep those recordings for the live album, and wisely so, imo.

Keith´s first gig with open tuning was the HP-gig, and he struggled with keeping those guitars in tune. More suprisingly, his flying V in standard tuning was even worse. Mercy, Mercy comes to mind...

Keith´s Armstrong was a problem of course, but it wasn´t as bad as the guitars in the Hyde Park-gig, hence he kept it on stage for a few more tours.

IMO, the best sounding Keith-guitars on the 69 tour (and probably the guitars with less tuning problems) were the ES-guitars.

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No one wants to keep an out of tune-guitar on a live album, no matter who's guitar.

However, they could easily have done an overdub - and it is indeed a great version...

The fact is, there were quite a few out of tune guitars on the '69 tour. Not sure the reason, as it is kind of a unique sound to that tour. My theory is it started at Hyde Park and they liked it so much they decided to keep it going!

That is very true, but they didn´t keep those recordings for the live album, and wisely so, imo.

Keith´s first gig with open tuning was the HP-gig, and he struggled with keeping those guitars in tune. More suprisingly, his flying V in standard tuning was even worse. Mercy, Mercy comes to mind...

Keith´s Armstrong was a problem of course, but it wasn´t as bad as the guitars in the Hyde Park-gig, hence he kept it on stage for a few more tours.

IMO, the best sounding Keith-guitars on the 69 tour (and probably the guitars with less tuning problems) were the ES-guitars.

Agree, DP, and Taylor's SG sounded pretty good too!

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No one wants to keep an out of tune-guitar on a live album, no matter who's guitar.

However, they could easily have done an overdub - and it is indeed a great version...

The fact is, there were quite a few out of tune guitars on the '69 tour. Not sure the reason, as it is kind of a unique sound to that tour. My theory is it started at Hyde Park and they liked it so much they decided to keep it going!

That is very true, but they didn´t keep those recordings for the live album, and wisely so, imo.

Keith´s first gig with open tuning was the HP-gig, and he struggled with keeping those guitars in tune. More suprisingly, his flying V in standard tuning was even worse. Mercy, Mercy comes to mind...

Keith´s Armstrong was a problem of course, but it wasn´t as bad as the guitars in the Hyde Park-gig, hence he kept it on stage for a few more tours.

IMO, the best sounding Keith-guitars on the 69 tour (and probably the guitars with less tuning problems) were the ES-guitars.

Agree, DP, and Taylor's SG sounded pretty good too!

Absolutely!