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The Joker
To me, the "Vegas Era" started when it became almost impossible to notice the difference between different renditions of the same song during different shows of a same tour.
Well, I'am a taylorite and I grew up listening the astonishing variations for the same songs (I'm free, Under My Thumb, Rambler, etc) listening to the bootlegs of the Taylor area
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Stoneage
The average Stones fan has, probably, never heard of it.
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Stoneage
Agree, Joker. Maybe a more accurate term would be the "Click Track Era". That's what it's about - music conformity. It's not really about the side musicians, it's about the music itself.
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Agree, Joker. Maybe a more accurate term would be the "Click Track Era". That's what it's about - music conformity. It's not really about the side musicians, it's about the music itself.
This puzzles me. Setlists were largely static for the first 35 years of the band's existence. The Licks Tour was great from that perspective. To see them pull out songs like "Worried About You" at Budokan, then follow it up with an Exile mini-set in Yokohama a couple nights later is one of my fondest Stones memories. Let's also not forget that the Stones work pretty hard to deliver the shows these days - a lot more than the 30 minute shows in the 60's or the 70 minute shows in 72-73.
Maybe "Vegas" is the wrong term (one that most would associate with sloth and complacency - see, the "Vegas Elvis"). Perhaps a better term for post-89 would be the "polished and professional, but still pretty @#$%& good" era.
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The Joker
To me, the "Vegas Era" started when it became almost impossible to notice the difference between different renditions of the same song during different shows of a same tour.
Well, I'am a taylorite and I grew up listening the astonishing variations for the same songs (I'm free, Under My Thumb, Rambler, etc) listening to the bootlegs of the Taylor area
And you can tell the difference between RTJ from Charlotte and Philly 1972?
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His Majesty
The 50th and counting tour is something different from the Vegas era.
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MGetzner
Very rarely, videos could really show the greatness of a stones concert...
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Tate
I use the term. '89 on. I loved every show I saw during this period (they are, unfortunately, the only shows I have been lucky enough to attend), but '89 was the beginning of a stage production and a choreographed Mick that simply is not like the band prior. Again, loved those shows dearly... but they were not the same gritty band as they were before. Different guitar sound, more polished performances over-all. "Vegas-era," while slightly derogatory, fits. imo.
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The Joker
To me, the "Vegas Era" started when it became almost impossible to notice the difference between different renditions of the same song during different shows of a same tour.
Well, I'am a taylorite and I grew up listening the astonishing variations for the same songs (I'm free, Under My Thumb, Rambler, etc) listening to the bootlegs of the Taylor area
And you can tell the difference between RTJ from Charlotte and Philly 1972?
I don't know. My point is: most of the times, I would be able to listen to witch-ever rendition of a Stones song and know if I have heard it before, or not. It does not mean I would know if it was from Charlotte or Philly. Besides you pick up the fastest song of the STP tour with no room for the classic Stones groove. It make it more dificult, because Rip this Joint is a song enlighting at least the side musicians (horns and piano) as much as the Stones themselves.
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MGetzner
Very rarely, videos could really show the greatness of a stones concert...
Actually I came to the opposite conclusion when Santa Claus surprised me with SWEET SUMMER SUN. The concert I saw on DVD was better than the one I wittnessed in the summer.
- Doxa
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MGetzner
Very rarely, videos could really show the greatness of a stones concert...
Actually I came to the opposite conclusion when Santa Claus surprised me with SWEET SUMMER SUN. The concert I saw on DVD was better than the one I wittnessed in the summer.
- Doxa
Suprise, surprise - when they had two shows to select the best takes from
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MGetzner
Very rarely, videos could really show the greatness of a stones concert...
Actually I came to the opposite conclusion when Santa Claus surprised me with SWEET SUMMER SUN. The concert I saw on DVD was better than the one I wittnessed in the summer.
- Doxa
Suprise, surprise - when they had two shows to select the best takes from
I don't think it's only that, Dandelion. It may have something to do with something called heavy editing. Where did Keith's infamous intros go for instance?
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MGetzner
Very rarely, videos could really show the greatness of a stones concert...
Actually I came to the opposite conclusion when Santa Claus surprised me with SWEET SUMMER SUN. The concert I saw on DVD was better than the one I wittnessed in the summer.
- Doxa
Suprise, surprise - when they had two shows to select the best takes from
I don't think it's only that, Dandelion. It may have something to do with something called heavy editing. Where did Keith's infamous intros go for instance?
But is the show "better" because they removed that? I don't think so. They kept mistakes that were just as bad. I don't think it has to do with the editing in particular - although some of the visual editing, using clips from different shows within one song, makes it a better dvd, imo.
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The Joker
To me, the "Vegas Era" started when it became almost impossible to notice the difference between different renditions of the same song during different shows of a same tour.
Well, I'am a taylorite and I grew up listening the astonishing variations for the same songs (I'm free, Under My Thumb, Rambler, etc) listening to the bootlegs of the Taylor area
And you can tell the difference between RTJ from Charlotte and Philly 1972?
I don't know. My point is: most of the times, I would be able to listen to witch-ever rendition of a Stones song and know if I have heard it before, or not. It does not mean I would know if it was from Charlotte or Philly. Besides you pick up the fastest song of the STP tour with no room for the classic Stones groove. It make it more dificult, because Rip this Joint is a song enlighting at least the side musicians (horns and piano) as much as the Stones themselves.
My point was that they were even more conservative with their setlists (and the arrangements) back then. Just look at the length of the shows, and pick out a random Gimme Shelter. They sound more or less the same. So nothing new there
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NedKelly
To you bashers of the latter days Stones years; Why are you even here? Why writing about them? Why listening to their shit music? Why bother?
I just love the fact that they are still around, realizing that they are not in their twenties anymore. And if they give me more shows and maybe some more new songs, I´ll be more than happy, even if it doesn´t sound like 69….
If you want contemporary bands and music, go for it some other places. The Stones won´t give you want you want. You´re fifty years late…...
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Many or most times there often would not be a difference for a song between two shows, However, through time a tendency to nuances that are different, might arise. As a result a certain difference might come about from one tour to the next.
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In addition, from time to time and probably more for certain songs than others, their would be contrasts even in short run. The vinyl boot JEAN CLARKES'S MEMORIAL SERVICE (from Germany West (BDR) 1973 sounds clearly different from the vinyl boot NASTY SONGS (from Brussels 1973).
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Redhotcarpet
Im still a hard core fan and a bloody well near expert on Keiths guitar playing anno 1976/1977
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Im still a hard core fan and a bloody well near expert on Keiths guitar playing anno 1976/1977
CONGRATULATIONS
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Virgin Priest
I never used the term "Vegas Era."
From 1989 onwards I call it "The Never Ending Steel Wheels Tour".
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