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Does Clifford receive any royalties?
I believe Steve Jordan gets a 33% composer credit on one of the royalty sites for D and G.
Does Matt write?
No one gets royalties for recording demos. They get paid for session time if they get paid at all.
Well, I wasn't referring to the actual recording.
More the creation of the song...ie composer royalties.
So Keith receives 50% but did his creative input amount to anymore than say, Ronnie, for example?
Neither was I.
Helping someone record a demo is not the same as writing. What Keith does regarding helping Mick record percentage wise is moot - they split it 50-50 no matter what (at least that's what is implied).
You've seen what happens when Ronnie helps write (IORR, Hey Negrita) or, apparently, helps write (all Jagger-Richards-Wood songs).
They'd have horrible set lists if they went with your opinion. Fortunately your opinion has absolutely zero to do with facts or reality.
It's not very good in comparison to a lot of their songs, exactly like Don't Stop.
Fortunately they'll never do One Hit again. Nor would they do 3 songs in a row of any post-1981 albums.
Are you talking about the GRRR-version?
The Jeff Bhasker-mix is far superior, imo.
It is the mastering, and not the amount of tracks, that makes a song «loud» or with less «room» in the soundscape, btw. For instance, you can have 58 tracks in a song, and it will still sound dynamic and relatively stripped down, if mastered right.
Hey man that is very cool! Great story!
I bet the band are delighted to know "IT" worked! I always liked this song. I first heard it from a poor recording someone made from outside some rehearsal barn which was posted online and I thought it kicked ass, even on a poor recording. I loved the vibe and the energy. I thought it kicked ass on GRRRR and it kicked ass when I heard it live on the Zipcode tour.
If it introduced you to the greatest rock and roll band in the Universe then it will always be special for you. Focus on the positive and do your best to ignore the grumpy old naysayers who love to bash on this song and al ot of other great songs the Stones have. Just keep digging into their catalog and enjoy the songs you love... and ignore the songs that are not to your taste (yet).
I have been listening to The Stones for over 40 years and I am still surprised how out of the blue an old song I didn't really care for before suddenly (for some reason) takes root and I love it. There are (have been) plenty of Stones songs that are not to my tastes (yet) but I have never dwelt on them or complained about them ad nauseam like so many here do. I just focus on the the million Stones songs THAT ARE to my tastes and it is so much fun!
Cheers young Stones fan
You found the right band!
have to disagree...it's a good jagger solo song.
mostly agree...it's a good Jagger solo song and nothing more.
The (scant) melody of the verses screams 'Wired All Night' but at least he's ripping off his best solo album.
No wonder new material doesn't go over when he doesn't even attempt to sell it with any conviction.
wow that's so great. I hope you'll post some more soon!
It was nice hearing Keith and Ronnie blast away on a Mick solo-song. Finally!
He wanted to save his voice. The oldest trick in the book for singers. Same with TD and IORR. Avoid long notes, just talk through them.
Agree with Keithriff99: stones (jagger?) have no confidence in their new material.
When was the last time a new song was included in the greatest hits final run? Start Me Up 81/82?
Some how, it's been this way since the early 70's. Before Start Me Up, only Brown Sugar in 71 immediately achieved the status of warhorse.
In the past 25 years only Rocking made it to the opening slot a few times, but that is it.
Ok, fair enough, we haven't had many start me ups since 81, but I am sure that songs like Rock & Hard Place, Rocking, Saint of Me, Justice, Doom & Gloom, could have worked wonders in the final run. And probably even gained some sort of different status.
C
You probably like the GRRR-version better, then?
thats great, you are in for a trove of recordings and performances. ( as Im sure you know)
its fun for me, and others I'm thinking, who are longtime Stones fans, to read
your post. to think about discovering the Rolling Stones in this late phase..
they have so much to discover, for a new fan...happy for you.
The good news is that you've found the Rolling Stones. The better news is that there is so much Stones to enjoy that you'll be busy for the rest of your life! Some aspects of the Stones you may not enjoy now, you probably will later.
At first, I didn't like too many songs before 1967. Later I started to love "Out of Our Heads" then "England's Newest Hit Makers." Then came the bootlegs! It never ends! Smile!
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Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
jlowe
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Date: February 5, 2017 10:23
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Marhsall
So...Mick is doing demos with Clifford now instead of Keith? Wtf?
Does Clifford receive any royalties?
I believe Steve Jordan gets a 33% composer credit on one of the royalty sites for D and G.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: February 5, 2017 10:48
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jloweQuote
Marhsall
So...Mick is doing demos with Clifford now instead of Keith? Wtf?
Does Clifford receive any royalties?
I believe Steve Jordan gets a 33% composer credit on one of the royalty sites for D and G.
Does Matt write?
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: February 7, 2017 06:49
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jloweQuote
Marhsall
So...Mick is doing demos with Clifford now instead of Keith? Wtf?
Does Clifford receive any royalties?
I believe Steve Jordan gets a 33% composer credit on one of the royalty sites for D and G.
No one gets royalties for recording demos. They get paid for session time if they get paid at all.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
hopkins
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Date: February 7, 2017 10:14
I like it a lot. works live too. i like One More Shot even better.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
jlowe
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Date: February 7, 2017 14:32
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GasLightStreetQuote
jloweQuote
Marhsall
So...Mick is doing demos with Clifford now instead of Keith? Wtf?
Does Clifford receive any royalties?
I believe Steve Jordan gets a 33% composer credit on one of the royalty sites for D and G.
No one gets royalties for recording demos. They get paid for session time if they get paid at all.
Well, I wasn't referring to the actual recording.
More the creation of the song...ie composer royalties.
So Keith receives 50% but did his creative input amount to anymore than say, Ronnie, for example?
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
HonkeyTonkFlash
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Date: February 7, 2017 16:07
By 2012, no one could realistically expect another Jumping Jack Flash but the Stones in their prime set the bar impossibly high - even for their latter day selves. With that in mind D&G is a very good rock and roll track. It gives me hope that a new album of originals could be very enjoyable even if it's not of Big Four quality. Not much is. 
Not to mention how good they sound on the new blues album as well....
"Gonna find my way to heaven ..."
Not to mention how good they sound on the new blues album as well...."Gonna find my way to heaven ..."
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
HMS
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Date: February 7, 2017 16:52
Doom And Gloom is indeed a fantastic track and imo only a few steps away from songs like JJF. Never understood why they suddenly stopped to perform it live.
Should there be a tour in 2017 I hope Doom And Gloom becomes a regular part of the setlist. It´s not only a great tune, it also worked perfectly on stage.
One Hit, Flip The Switch & Doom And Gloom - what a live-trilogy that would be!
Should there be a tour in 2017 I hope Doom And Gloom becomes a regular part of the setlist. It´s not only a great tune, it also worked perfectly on stage.
One Hit, Flip The Switch & Doom And Gloom - what a live-trilogy that would be!
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: February 7, 2017 18:00
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jloweQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
jloweQuote
Marhsall
So...Mick is doing demos with Clifford now instead of Keith? Wtf?
Does Clifford receive any royalties?
I believe Steve Jordan gets a 33% composer credit on one of the royalty sites for D and G.
No one gets royalties for recording demos. They get paid for session time if they get paid at all.
Well, I wasn't referring to the actual recording.
More the creation of the song...ie composer royalties.
So Keith receives 50% but did his creative input amount to anymore than say, Ronnie, for example?
Neither was I.
Helping someone record a demo is not the same as writing. What Keith does regarding helping Mick record percentage wise is moot - they split it 50-50 no matter what (at least that's what is implied).
You've seen what happens when Ronnie helps write (IORR, Hey Negrita) or, apparently, helps write (all Jagger-Richards-Wood songs).
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
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Date: February 7, 2017 18:04
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HMS
Doom And Gloom is indeed a fantastic track and imo only a few steps away from songs like JJF.
They'd have horrible set lists if they went with your opinion. Fortunately your opinion has absolutely zero to do with facts or reality.
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HMS
Never understood why they suddenly stopped to perform it live.
It's not very good in comparison to a lot of their songs, exactly like Don't Stop.
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HMS
Should there be a tour in 2017 I hope Doom And Gloom becomes a regular part of the setlist. It´s not only a great tune, it also worked perfectly on stage.
One Hit, Flip The Switch & Doom And Gloom - what a live-trilogy that would be!
Fortunately they'll never do One Hit again. Nor would they do 3 songs in a row of any post-1981 albums.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
three16
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Date: February 7, 2017 23:43
I think if radio and the music industry including the internet and all that goes along with how music is delivered today had not changed to what it is now, the song would have been huge. It's a good one.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
Screamer
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Date: February 8, 2017 13:43
People can say what they want, but for me this was the song that got me hooked on the Rolling Stones in same way that "Start Me Up" did for kids in early 80's, and because of that it will always be very special for me.
I was just a regular 14-year-old browsing my Facebook feed one day in 2012 when I saw a friend of mine, who was more into classic rock music because of her father, shared this song. I was shocked to learn that not only this 50-year-old band was still active, but they even released a new song and had a tour. And oh boy, what an energetic, modern, fun and powerful song that was! I also finally understood what people meant by "moves like Jagger". It got me so hooked that I bought GRRR!, after that started listening to the albums chronologically, and the rest is history. I don't write often on this forum, but I visit it almost every day and sometimes I get sad because most people here have been fans since 60's, 70's and 80's and seems like I've missed the party by becoming a fan only in 2010's, but hey - better late than never.
I was just a regular 14-year-old browsing my Facebook feed one day in 2012 when I saw a friend of mine, who was more into classic rock music because of her father, shared this song. I was shocked to learn that not only this 50-year-old band was still active, but they even released a new song and had a tour. And oh boy, what an energetic, modern, fun and powerful song that was! I also finally understood what people meant by "moves like Jagger". It got me so hooked that I bought GRRR!, after that started listening to the albums chronologically, and the rest is history. I don't write often on this forum, but I visit it almost every day and sometimes I get sad because most people here have been fans since 60's, 70's and 80's and seems like I've missed the party by becoming a fan only in 2010's, but hey - better late than never.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: February 8, 2017 13:46
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Screamer
People can say what they want, but for me this was the song that got me hooked on the Rolling Stones in same way that "Start Me Up" did for kids in early 80's, and because of that it will always be very special for me.
I was just a regular 14-year-old browsing my Facebook feed one day in 2012 when I saw a friend of mine, who was more into classic rock music because of her father, shared this song. I was shocked to learn that not only this 50-year-old band was still active, but they even released a new song and had a tour. And oh boy, what an energetic, modern, fun and powerful song that was! I also finally understood what people meant by "moves like Jagger". It got me so hooked that I bought GRRR!, after that started listening to the albums chronologically, and the rest is history. I don't write often on this forum, but I visit it almost every day and sometimes I get sad because most people here have been fans since 60's, 70's and 80's and seems like I've missed the party by becoming a fan only in 2010's, but hey - better late than never.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
bitusa2012
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Date: February 8, 2017 14:03
Musically great.
Lyrically stupid.
Production wise... Too cluttered and loud.
Often on Perth radio, still, but hasn't aged well because it's too dense. 24 track recording? Don't fill up every track. 16 track? Ditto. Leave some space.
Rod
Lyrically stupid.
Production wise... Too cluttered and loud.
Often on Perth radio, still, but hasn't aged well because it's too dense. 24 track recording? Don't fill up every track. 16 track? Ditto. Leave some space.
Rod
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: February 8, 2017 14:18
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bitusa2012
Musically great.
Lyrically stupid.
Production wise... Too cluttered and loud.
Often on Perth radio, still, but hasn't aged well because it's too dense. 24 track recording? Don't fill up every track. 16 track? Ditto. Leave some space.
Are you talking about the GRRR-version?
The Jeff Bhasker-mix is far superior, imo.
It is the mastering, and not the amount of tracks, that makes a song «loud» or with less «room» in the soundscape, btw. For instance, you can have 58 tracks in a song, and it will still sound dynamic and relatively stripped down, if mastered right.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
KRiffhard
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Date: February 8, 2017 14:30
A decent Jagger's solo song and nothing more.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
HankM
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Date: February 8, 2017 14:34
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Screamer
People can say what they want, but for me this was the song that got me hooked on the Rolling Stones in same way that "Start Me Up" did for kids in early 80's, and because of that it will always be very special for me.
I was just a regular 14-year-old browsing my Facebook feed one day in 2012 when I saw a friend of mine, who was more into classic rock music because of her father, shared this song. I was shocked to learn that not only this 50-year-old band was still active, but they even released a new song and had a tour. And oh boy, what an energetic, modern, fun and powerful song that was! I also finally understood what people meant by "moves like Jagger". It got me so hooked that I bought GRRR!, after that started listening to the albums chronologically, and the rest is history. I don't write often on this forum, but I visit it almost every day and sometimes I get sad because most people here have been fans since 60's, 70's and 80's and seems like I've missed the party by becoming a fan only in 2010's, but hey - better late than never.
Hey man that is very cool! Great story!
I bet the band are delighted to know "IT" worked! I always liked this song. I first heard it from a poor recording someone made from outside some rehearsal barn which was posted online and I thought it kicked ass, even on a poor recording. I loved the vibe and the energy. I thought it kicked ass on GRRRR and it kicked ass when I heard it live on the Zipcode tour.
If it introduced you to the greatest rock and roll band in the Universe then it will always be special for you. Focus on the positive and do your best to ignore the grumpy old naysayers who love to bash on this song and al ot of other great songs the Stones have. Just keep digging into their catalog and enjoy the songs you love... and ignore the songs that are not to your taste (yet).
I have been listening to The Stones for over 40 years and I am still surprised how out of the blue an old song I didn't really care for before suddenly (for some reason) takes root and I love it. There are (have been) plenty of Stones songs that are not to my tastes (yet) but I have never dwelt on them or complained about them ad nauseam like so many here do. I just focus on the the million Stones songs THAT ARE to my tastes and it is so much fun!
Cheers young Stones fan
You found the right band!Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: February 9, 2017 08:20
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KRiffhard
A decent Jagger's solo song and nothing more.
have to disagree...it's a good jagger solo song.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
Swayed1967
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Date: February 9, 2017 08:32
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treaclefingersQuote
KRiffhard
A decent Jagger's solo song and nothing more.
have to disagree...it's a good jagger solo song.
mostly agree...it's a good Jagger solo song and nothing more.
The (scant) melody of the verses screams 'Wired All Night' but at least he's ripping off his best solo album.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
keefriff99
()
Date: February 9, 2017 08:34
It seems like Mick has no confidence in any new material they come up with. He almost assumes an apologetic stance when introducing new songs, automatically assuming that everyone is there only for the hits and couldn't possibly want to hear vital new material from an active, working band.Quote
GasLightStreet
Why did Mick rush this track live? I'll never understand that. Seems like his vision of having the Stones play that new song live as an ancient band was undermined by his rushing it.
No wonder new material doesn't go over when he doesn't even attempt to sell it with any conviction.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
hopkins
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Date: February 9, 2017 08:44
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Screamer
People can say what they want, but for me this was the song that got me hooked on the Rolling Stones in same way that "Start Me Up" did for kids in early 80's, and because of that it will always be very special for me.
I was just a regular 14-year-old browsing my Facebook feed one day in 2012 when I saw a friend of mine, who was more into classic rock music because of her father, shared this song. I was shocked to learn that not only this 50-year-old band was still active, but they even released a new song and had a tour. And oh boy, what an energetic, modern, fun and powerful song that was! I also finally understood what people meant by "moves like Jagger". It got me so hooked that I bought GRRR!, after that started listening to the albums chronologically, and the rest is history. I don't write often on this forum, but I visit it almost every day and sometimes I get sad because most people here have been fans since 60's, 70's and 80's and seems like I've missed the party by becoming a fan only in 2010's, but hey - better late than never.
wow that's so great. I hope you'll post some more soon!
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: February 9, 2017 11:03
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treaclefingersQuote
KRiffhard
A decent Jagger's solo song and nothing more.
have to disagree...it's a good jagger solo song.
It was nice hearing Keith and Ronnie blast away on a Mick solo-song. Finally!
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: February 9, 2017 11:04
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keefriff99It seems like Mick has no confidence in any new material they come up with. He almost assumes an apologetic stance when introducing new songs, automatically assuming that everyone is there only for the hits and couldn't possibly want to hear vital new material from an active, working band.Quote
GasLightStreet
Why did Mick rush this track live? I'll never understand that. Seems like his vision of having the Stones play that new song live as an ancient band was undermined by his rushing it.
No wonder new material doesn't go over when he doesn't even attempt to sell it with any conviction.
He wanted to save his voice. The oldest trick in the book for singers. Same with TD and IORR. Avoid long notes, just talk through them.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
liddas
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Date: February 9, 2017 11:44
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DandelionPowdermanQuote
keefriff99It seems like Mick has no confidence in any new material they come up with. He almost assumes an apologetic stance when introducing new songs, automatically assuming that everyone is there only for the hits and couldn't possibly want to hear vital new material from an active, working band.Quote
GasLightStreet
Why did Mick rush this track live? I'll never understand that. Seems like his vision of having the Stones play that new song live as an ancient band was undermined by his rushing it.
No wonder new material doesn't go over when he doesn't even attempt to sell it with any conviction.
He wanted to save his voice. The oldest trick in the book for singers. Same with TD and IORR. Avoid long notes, just talk through them.
Agree with Keithriff99: stones (jagger?) have no confidence in their new material.
When was the last time a new song was included in the greatest hits final run? Start Me Up 81/82?
Some how, it's been this way since the early 70's. Before Start Me Up, only Brown Sugar in 71 immediately achieved the status of warhorse.
In the past 25 years only Rocking made it to the opening slot a few times, but that is it.
Ok, fair enough, we haven't had many start me ups since 81, but I am sure that songs like Rock & Hard Place, Rocking, Saint of Me, Justice, Doom & Gloom, could have worked wonders in the final run. And probably even gained some sort of different status.
C
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
Markdog
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Date: February 9, 2017 16:03
It's a catchy tune for late day Stone's.
They crossed a line for me with the digital drums on it though. That is not Charlie in fact I am certain it's a drum program.
They allow a real analog drum fill at the very end to try to fool you.
They crossed a line for me with the digital drums on it though. That is not Charlie in fact I am certain it's a drum program.
They allow a real analog drum fill at the very end to try to fool you.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
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Date: February 9, 2017 16:13
Catchy indeed but not really good. I enjoy it a lot because of the rhythm and guitars but it's really just kitsch
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
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Date: February 9, 2017 16:33
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Markdog
It's a catchy tune for late day Stone's.
They crossed a line for me with the digital drums on it though. That is not Charlie in fact I am certain it's a drum program.
They allow a real analog drum fill at the very end to try to fool you.
You probably like the GRRR-version better, then?
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
24FPS
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Date: February 10, 2017 17:18
It's a GREAT Stones song. Mick dragged them into the 21st Century, whether they wanted to come or not. Unfortunately One More Shot sounds like a leftover from Dirty Work that couldn't even make that album.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
duke richardson
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Date: February 10, 2017 17:39
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Screamer
People can say what they want, but for me this was the song that got me hooked on the Rolling Stones in same way that "Start Me Up" did for kids in early 80's, and because of that it will always be very special for me.
I was just a regular 14-year-old browsing my Facebook feed one day in 2012 when I saw a friend of mine, who was more into classic rock music because of her father, shared this song. I was shocked to learn that not only this 50-year-old band was still active, but they even released a new song and had a tour. And oh boy, what an energetic, modern, fun and powerful song that was! I also finally understood what people meant by "moves like Jagger". It got me so hooked that I bought GRRR!, after that started listening to the albums chronologically, and the rest is history. I don't write often on this forum, but I visit it almost every day and sometimes I get sad because most people here have been fans since 60's, 70's and 80's and seems like I've missed the party by becoming a fan only in 2010's, but hey - better late than never.
thats great, you are in for a trove of recordings and performances. ( as Im sure you know)
its fun for me, and others I'm thinking, who are longtime Stones fans, to read
your post. to think about discovering the Rolling Stones in this late phase..
they have so much to discover, for a new fan...happy for you.
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
exilestones
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Date: February 10, 2017 17:54
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Screamer
People can say what they want, but for me this was the song that got me hooked on the Rolling Stones in same way that "Start Me Up" did for kids in early 80's, and because of that it will always be very special for me.
I was just a regular 14-year-old browsing my Facebook feed one day in 2012 when I saw a friend of mine, who was more into classic rock music because of her father, shared this song. I was shocked to learn that not only this 50-year-old band was still active, but they even released a new song and had a tour. And oh boy, what an energetic, modern, fun and powerful song that was! I also finally understood what people meant by "moves like Jagger". It got me so hooked that I bought GRRR!, after that started listening to the albums chronologically, and the rest is history. I don't write often on this forum, but I visit it almost every day and sometimes I get sad because most people here have been fans since 60's, 70's and 80's and seems like I've missed the party by becoming a fan only in 2010's, but hey - better late than never.
The good news is that you've found the Rolling Stones. The better news is that there is so much Stones to enjoy that you'll be busy for the rest of your life! Some aspects of the Stones you may not enjoy now, you probably will later.
At first, I didn't like too many songs before 1967. Later I started to love "Out of Our Heads" then "England's Newest Hit Makers." Then came the bootlegs! It never ends! Smile!
Re: Track Talk (GRRR! Tracks): Doom And Gloom
Posted by:
JJHMick
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Date: February 11, 2017 11:19
If Rock Music was still alive as in the 70s I Go Wild would have been the first single of Voodoo Lounge and a massive hit. That goes for Highwire, Doom & Gloom and so on, too. They all would be rated in the same league as JJF or Brown Sugar.
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