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Silver Dagger
A real new sound for the Stones. Quirky, very English and upbeat. You can definitely hear the sound of young, mod London here with all its cocky upstart arrogance.
A new wind has been blowing through the streets of the Stones' hometown, which fashion and music wise has become the centre of the rock'n'roll universe, and the song really captures this pop art insouciance.
I love the stop start rhythm and the metallic sheen of Keith's guitar. And then there's that really weird, almost distorted crescendo at the end of each verse which suggests that psychedelia is just a kiss away.
Not sure if it's aimed at Chrissie Shrimpton, Marianne or some young starlet that he was hoping to seduce but lyrically it's a continuation of Jagger's misogny from Aftermath, especially with lines like:
"You need teaching you're a girl
There are things in this world
That need teaching with discretion, my profession"
Once again a wonderful, eye-opening description by Silver Dagger, and putting the song insightfully to context, and I can't but agree with it.
But to me "My Connection" is an intersting case in the sense that despite The Stones being in the very height of their creavity and experentialism, looking for new sounds and, new musical soundcapes, this urge does not always come up with convincing results. In a way the song is a "good" representative of BETWEEN THE BUTTONS over-all, that is lacks certain direction and focus. They are apt to something, really sensing the hectic times they are living within, and want to reflect that, but are not quite content in translating that into convincing, original music yet.
To me it also sounds like they are a bit lost in having all the new possibilites - more tracks etc. - to use in studio, and they can't yet handle all that. Too many new 'tricks' ready to use. Andrew Loog Oldham's talents also start sounding limited, and I suppose one could blame rather a lot a producer for its lacks in focus.
I have always thought that playing with those "sion"/"tion" ending words in rhiming is some kind of sign of "dylanism", typical to times (I recall once someone talking about how that was almost a fashion at the time to sound lyricwise "cool", which came a bit corny. Didn't Paul Simon even made a parody song of that style?)
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Silver Dagger
A real new sound for the Stones. Quirky, very English and upbeat. You can definitely hear the sound of young, mod London here with all its cocky upstart arrogance.
A new wind has been blowing through the streets of the Stones' hometown, which fashion and music wise has become the centre of the rock'n'roll universe, and the song really captures this pop art insouciance.
I love the stop start rhythm and the metallic sheen of Keith's guitar. And then there's that really weird, almost distorted crescendo at the end of each verse which suggests that psychedelia is just a kiss away.
Not sure if it's aimed at Chrissie Shrimpton, Marianne or some young starlet that he was hoping to seduce but lyrically it's a continuation of Jagger's misogny from Aftermath, especially with lines like:
"You need teaching you're a girl
There are things in this world
That need teaching with discretion, my profession"
Once again a wonderful, eye-opening description by Silver Dagger, and putting the song insightfully to context, and I can't but agree with it.
But to me "My Connection" is an intersting case in the sense that despite The Stones being in the very height of their creavity and experentialism, looking for new sounds and, new musical soundcapes, this urge does not always come up with convincing results. In a way the song is a "good" representative of BETWEEN THE BUTTONS over-all, that is lacks certain direction and focus. They are apt to something, really sensing the hectic times they are living within, and want to reflect that, but are not quite content in translating that into convincing, original music yet.
To me it also sounds like they are a bit lost in having all the new possibilites - more tracks etc. - to use in studio, and they can't yet handle all that. Too many new 'tricks' ready to use. Andrew Loog Oldham's talents also start sounding limited, and I suppose one could blame rather a lot a producer for its lacks in focus.
I have always thought that playing with those "sion"/"tion" ending words in rhiming is some kind of sign of "dylanism", typical to times (I recall once someone talking about how that was almost a fashion at the time to sound lyricwise "cool", which came a bit corny. Didn't Paul Simon even made a parody song of that style?)
- Doxa
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Silver Dagger
Definitely spot on Doxa in that the song has the blueprint for the Between The Buttons' sound which I'd describe as quirky. The album in general doesn't owe much to the blues or African-American music at all. It's more a hotchpotch of European styles - vaudeville, French chanson, nascent psychedelia, and proto rock.
We would have to wait nearly another 2 years before the band would revisit their American roots albeit this time tapping the rich vein of southern inspired music such as country, country blues, and even Appalachian folk.
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wandering spirit
in my mind just an "ok" track on BTB, none of its highlights, and none of it lowpoints....
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michel
Doxa, I am glad you are back
Missed your input
greetings from holland
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Big Al
Can anyone shed any light as to why Jagger supposedly dislikes Between The Buttons so much? Is it too jolly and English for him? Perhaps he feels it's dated?
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Big Al
Can anyone shed any light as to why Jagger supposedly dislikes Between The Buttons so much? Is it too jolly and English for him? Perhaps he feels it's dated?
Uh, sure ... because Between the Buttons sucks.
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His Majesty
"To me it also sounds like they are a bit lost in having all the new possibilites - more tracks etc"
For the August 1966 Between The Buttons sessions at RCA they worked with 4 track same as they did for all of their previous RCA sessions. The sessions at Olympic Studios in November - December 1966 was also 4 track.
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Big Al
Can anyone shed any light as to why Jagger supposedly dislikes Between The Buttons so much? Is it too jolly and English for him? Perhaps he feels it's dated?
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Green Lady
- and when they'd finished My Obsession they used all the leftovers for Connection...
...or was it the other way around?
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Doxa
And to continue a bit... When I say that "Jagger had no reason to update his stance" I mean, he did that with EXILE, right? Had BETWEEN THE BUTTONS turned out to be a hailed 60's masterpiece by rock press, I think he might have had second thoughts some day...
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And to continue a bit... When I say that "Jagger had no reason to update his stance" I mean, he did that with EXILE, right? Had BETWEEN THE BUTTONS turned out to be a hailed 60's masterpiece by rock press, I think he might have had second thoughts some day...
- Doxa
I guess of all the Stones' albums it's Between The Buttons and Satanic which sound the most dated and locked in their own curious time.
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And to continue a bit... When I say that "Jagger had no reason to update his stance" I mean, he did that with EXILE, right? Had BETWEEN THE BUTTONS turned out to be a hailed 60's masterpiece by rock press, I think he might have had second thoughts some day...
- Doxa
I guess of all the Stones' albums it's Between The Buttons and Satanic which sound the most dated and locked in their own curious time.
They all sound dated and of their time.
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Doxa
And to continue a bit... When I say that "Jagger had no reason to update his stance" I mean, he did that with EXILE, right? Had BETWEEN THE BUTTONS turned out to be a hailed 60's masterpiece by rock press, I think he might have had second thoughts some day...
- Doxa
I guess of all the Stones' albums it's Between The Buttons and Satanic which sound the most dated and locked in their own curious time.
They all sound dated and of their time.
Well I guess you could say that about anything. What I mean is that you put on a classic Stones album like Exile or Let It Bleed and it still has the power to move a younger audience...if they like rock music.
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And to continue a bit... When I say that "Jagger had no reason to update his stance" I mean, he did that with EXILE, right? Had BETWEEN THE BUTTONS turned out to be a hailed 60's masterpiece by rock press, I think he might have had second thoughts some day...
- Doxa
I guess of all the Stones' albums it's Between The Buttons and Satanic which sound the most dated and locked in their own curious time.
They all sound dated and of their time.
Well I guess you could say that about anything. What I mean is that you put on a classic Stones album like Exile or Let It Bleed and it still has the power to move a younger audience...if they like rock music.
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Doxa
And to continue a bit... When I say that "Jagger had no reason to update his stance" I mean, he did that with EXILE, right? Had BETWEEN THE BUTTONS turned out to be a hailed 60's masterpiece by rock press, I think he might have had second thoughts some day...
- Doxa
I guess of all the Stones' albums it's Between The Buttons and Satanic which sound the most dated and locked in their own curious time.
They all sound dated and of their time.
Well I guess you could say that about anything. What I mean is that you put on a classic Stones album like Exile or Let It Bleed and it still has the power to move a younger audience...if they like rock music.
Interestingly, if we compare to their biggest rivals at the time, The Beatles output from that "curious time" seemingly still has a more universal appeal, which might attract even the younger audience today. Even though The Stones were a huge force in pop back at the day, musically the year 1967 didn't turned out be their most memorable one. I think BETWEEN THE BUTTONS and SATANIC MAJESTIES sound dated in a way The Beatles stuff does not (even though I think the biggest hype over SGT. PEPPER has calmed a bit down).
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I guess of all the Stones' albums it's Between The Buttons and Satanic which sound the most dated and locked in their own curious time.
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And to continue a bit... When I say that "Jagger had no reason to update his stance" I mean, he did that with EXILE, right? Had BETWEEN THE BUTTONS turned out to be a hailed 60's masterpiece by rock press, I think he might have had second thoughts some day...
- Doxa
I guess of all the Stones' albums it's Between The Buttons and Satanic which sound the most dated and locked in their own curious time.
They all sound dated and of their time.
Well I guess you could say that about anything. What I mean is that you put on a classic Stones album like Exile or Let It Bleed and it still has the power to move a younger audience...if they like rock music.
Interestingly, if we compare to their biggest rivals at the time, The Beatles output from that "curious time" seemingly still has a more universal appeal, which might attract even the younger audience today. Even though The Stones were a huge force in pop back at the day, musically the year 1967 didn't turned out be their most memorable one. I think BETWEEN THE BUTTONS and SATANIC MAJESTIES sound dated in a way The Beatles stuff does not (even though I think the biggest hype over SGT. PEPPER has calmed a bit down).
- Doxa
Possibly because The Beatles' songs at this time were better. Revolver and Sgt Pepper had far stronger and more memorable songs than Between The Buttons and Satanic.
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And to continue a bit... When I say that "Jagger had no reason to update his stance" I mean, he did that with EXILE, right? Had BETWEEN THE BUTTONS turned out to be a hailed 60's masterpiece by rock press, I think he might have had second thoughts some day...
- Doxa
I guess of all the Stones' albums it's Between The Buttons and Satanic which sound the most dated and locked in their own curious time.
They all sound dated and of their time.