I love the stones. But the sound of the stones on record to me is 64 through to 76, although i still enjoy and listen to stuff after that.

Some girls however always seemed a curse to me, the huge success built on a record that was indeed back to basics that they have tried to capture ever since. It's hard for me to comprend that the same band that made sticky fingers/exile could produce 7 years later the steaming turd that was emotional rescue and that to me is some girls curse. They have tried to remake that ever since and lost the ability to build up that layer of sound that was complex yet simple...i'm talking torn and frayed for example not many chords but layered to sound intricately brilliant.

Moonlight mile is another i could name countless others. Now before anyone jumps on the Ronnie verses mick taylor bandwagon, Ronnie is more that capable of layer a number of instruments and counter melodies so that's not the issue.

During the voodoo lounge era I remember seeing a video of them recording "i go wild" with just the backing....and Keith was laying down the very simple guitar chords that in the past would have been interwoven with session musians and flourishs from the like's of nicky hopkins, but in my view due to some girls and trying to recapture that sucess they never went back to doing that and I go wild comes out sounding like a half realised demo.

I appreciate there are some exceptions contential drift..moon is up but they are rare.

Anyone else feel this is the case. What's your view?

How very tiresome! We all have our favourite periods I believe but why do we all bother nowadays??

If every album after Some Girls sucked then maybe you can point to some kind of curse but this isn't the case imo. I think you are just over analyzing things.

"Lyin' awake in a cold, cold sweat. Am I overdrawn, am I going in debt?
It gets worse, the older that you get. No escape from the state of confusion I'm in.

Well, they polished up some older songs and came out with a BETTER albm than Some Girls. But I think that it's simply this; anything recorded 1977-1986 is hit-or-miss, the machine had been going for so long that they finally tapped out and had to struggle to put out good stuff.

You can't really talk about their Vegas stuff in the same context though, those 4-albums-plus-six-songs are pure, contrived tour product, not deserving of their name. They haven't even had to properly acknowledge a bass player at all because hey, they're the Rolling $tones.

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Some Girls is one of my favorite albums and I happen to like Emotional Rescue as well its not great but its solid. It is not a "turd" as you refer to it.

E.R was a good album.Tattoo You was a pretty good album too.. Haha...

I think the real difference is from 64 to the mid 70's they lived the life of a true creative rock band. They didn't question if every song was going to be a chart topper or not they just made the music they felt and loved, they were absorbed in modern music culture. By the mid 70's music was changing and the majority of music fans were tiring of the same old rock...nothing like being called out as old farts to re-light the fire and prove you weren't done yet. Although Some Girls kicked ass they made it more out of a reaction to the punk movement's popularity (and disco) then what they felt. Credit Mick 100% for this successful move, I don't think Keith saw it coming but certainly was on board. Ronnie was the right guy for this as I don't think MT's style fit as fans were moving away from his blues virtuoso type playing.

Very few band in their mid thirties could claim to be influencing pop culture musically in any era. So they were lucky to have this success. After that they realized they aren't leading the charge anymore they are following....

Please play me a new popular rock song that doesn't instantly get classified as an influence from the past.....The Stones created much of this very past!! Wow. Can't do that shit forever. So that makes it a blessing in my eyes.



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Some girls are a blessing... others, not so much.

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Well, they polished up some older songs and came out with a BETTER albm than Some Girls. But I think that it's simply this; anything recorded 1977-1986 is hit-or-miss, the machine had been going for so long that they finally tapped out and had to struggle to put out good stuff.

You can't really talk about their Vegas stuff in the same context though, those 4-albums-plus-six-songs are pure, contrived tour product, not deserving of their name. They haven't even had to properly acknowledge a bass player at all because hey, they're the Rolling $tones.

I agree with you james i much prefer the bonus disk. As for those that like emotional rescue i don't get it.

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I love the stones. But the sound of the stones on record to me is 64 through to 76, although i still enjoy and listen to stuff after that.

Some girls however always seemed a curse to me, the huge success built on a record that was indeed back to basics that they have tried to capture ever since. It's hard for me to comprend that the same band that made sticky fingers/exile could produce 7 years later the steaming turd that was emotional rescue and that to me is some girls curse. They have tried to remake that ever since and lost the ability to build up that layer of sound that was complex yet simple...i'm talking torn and frayed for example not many chords but layered to sound intricately brilliant.

Moonlight mile is another i could name countless others. Now before anyone jumps on the Ronnie verses mick taylor bandwagon, Ronnie is more that capable of layer a number of instruments and counter melodies so that's not the issue.

During the voodoo lounge era I remember seeing a video of them recording "i go wild" with just the backing....and Keith was laying down the very simple guitar chords that in the past would have been interwoven with session musians and flourishs from the like's of nicky hopkins, but in my view due to some girls and trying to recapture that sucess they never went back to doing that and I go wild comes out sounding like a half realised demo.

I appreciate there are some exceptions contential drift..moon is up but they are rare.

Anyone else feel this is the case. What's your view?

It's an intesting idea you're developing here...but it seems predicated on the assumption that if they hadn't made SG, they would have gone back to the rootsier, classic sound or something else. I don't think that's the case. I think SG gave us a lot of great music and memories, so in that sense, I'd have to just simply call it a blessing. There's no way of knowing if, absent SG, they would have created really great music again.

I'll take a great Stones album like SG over NO great Stones album like SG anyday!

MM

btw, I kinda like Emotional Rescue too! I'm a softie, what can I say? Not putting it in the same class as SG though, which would be just silly.

Blessing

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Some Girls is one of my favorite albums and I happen to like Emotional Rescue as well its not great but its solid. It is not a "turd" as you refer to it.

Some Girls is great.. they pulled it out the bag for that one.

Emotional Rescue is even better (don't respond... we had a whole "vigorous" thread about my view on that).

Some Girls was the perfect album, perfectly timed, and perfectly executed. And brought them screeching into the 80's. To bad the momentum couldn't be sustained, but understandable.

Some girls is R&R, with no guitar virtuoso solo and over production, brass, keyboards, etc..............

I prefer Emotional Rescue, the songs are of almost the same quality but Kimsey's production is even more tasty on ER. 68-83, 15 years in paradise recording wise.

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They have tried to remake that ever since...

I don't think they did.
Maybe Emotional Rescue has a lot in common with Some Girls, and about half of the songs
on Tattoo You. But after those two, they shifted course, I think. Undercover has maybe
two or three songs that would have fit on Some Girls (She was hot? Wanna hold you?
Too Tough?)
but all other songs have a complete new sound and feeling. Dirty Work is a case of its
own, with a strong influence of them Barbarian Twins taking the lead, by absence of Mick.

And from Steel Wheels on, their sound changed again. Lots of songs have, what I call,
"rich arrangements" on the Steel Wheels, Voodoo Lounge and Bridges to Babylon albums. Not many songs from this era would fit between the songs of Some Girls.

A Bigger Bang, to me, is the only album that has a Some Girl echo in a couple of songs.

So, despite what I think of your initial question, I don't think it is based on the
right assumption. I don't think they tried to remake Some Girls ever since.

Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away

After reading the thread title, I dismissed your idea; but,after reading your ideas, you have a point.

Some Girls was/is great but you are on to something in that it was a tough act to follow and an even tougher act to top. Despite trying -- it never happened. While they have created great songs since, no single disc comes close to Some Girls's greatness. I sometimes think that there was an almost great album between Emotional Rescue and Tatto You.

The richness vs. the stripped down? You might be right that while they have tried to dupilcate SG they have forgotten about their other 'thicker' sounds which were also great.

Now I am overthinking it.

Spot on about the song Emotional Rescue: A steaming turd indeed.

Put's an image in the minds eye!



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After four good, but not great albums (GHS, IORR, B & B and LYL), SG was just what the Stones and the fans needed. A stripped-down rock'n'roll album, with some beautiful songs in different genres thrown in to balance it up.

Simply great! I'll never stop listening to Beast Of Burden, Before They Make Me Run, Far Away Eyes and Shattered. I love all the rockers as well.

Lies gets bashed a lot here on this site. But listen to the playing, and Mick's vocals! He sings even better than on Rip This Joint. The guitar playing is better as well. Charlie is ace