Well now it's confirmed: Coachella is off the table.
Jagger says it's too early and the band isn't ready!

Can it be due to recording sessions for a new album?
Surely hope so!

Been Stoned since 1964 and still am!



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Can it be due to eventual recording sessions


Eventual is pretty obtuse these days......

"The band isn't ready"?

huh?

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Fan Since 1964
Well now it's confirmed: Coachella is off the table.
Jagger says it's too early and the band isn't ready!

Can it be due to recording sessions for a new album?
Surely hope so!

Plenty of bands have the ability to play a show while in the middle of recording an album. If that's the case here, then apparently the "greatest band in the history of the world" doesn't have that ability.
or perhaps The Stones just don't want to play Coachella? "too early" and "band isn't ready" are convenient excuses.

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treaclefingers
"The band isn't ready"?

huh?

Perhaps Chuck wasn't available on those dates, thus they're not ready.

I never believed Coachella was ever on the table.

Mick taylor is in australia in april.......................
jeroen

1) No Grammy appearance either. Maybe they're doing a double album.

1A) Re the Grammys, be sure to catch Sting dueting with Rihanna in a "special
performance". Sunday.

2) If Coachella want the Stones from this point forward, I think they're going to
have to open a casino.

Yeah, they're not ready, whatever that means, possibilities :
1. unrehearsed : 0% - see 50th Anniversary Tour
2. recording new tracks/album : 5% - no sighting, no annoucement
3. no offer/offers that Keith thinks "sound about right" : 99%
4. designing a new stage for stadiums : 99% if/when 3.

More seriously it does seem like they considered the 50th to be a separate entity that had to absorb all the fixed costs...or maybe that's what they're making it appear while they're waiting for the big offers to come in and allow them to piece together a schedule that will make it worth their while. Either way it's pretty sad it's really only about the money...the 50th had brought back some "emotion" (see Mick's speeches) that sounded heartfelt.

In any case I think they'll need to cook up something "new" for the upcoming tour, new music being unlikely, so a new idea ? Looks like they might be running out of fresh ones though, bring back the Lotus!

i dont think the stones would go out unless it was in the midst of a tour .no more one offs

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i dont think the stones would go out unless it was in the midst of a tour .no more one offs

I agree with this. I believe the Stones really did not have any dates in the planning stages beyond what they played in November and December and wanted to see for themselves and to show promoters what they could do. They showed they can play well, but to put together a tour, it's takes a lot of advance planning. We're hearing about dates for the second half of the year, maybe starting in June, so for for them to have played Coachella, those 2 performances would be enitrely separate from the tour later this year. That's why I think Jagger said that Coachella was too early, because it could not be played as part of a tour.

By the time they have a tour booked, they will have had many months without playing, so they'll go back in and do a few weeks of rehearsals. To have played Coachella,they still would have had to do some rehearsing prior to it, then had down time again for a maybe 2-3 months where they would have to rehearse again. Maybe they couldn't be bothered putting this much effort into playing the 2 Coachella shows. More than likely though, Coachella wasn't willing to pay the amount necessary to entice the Stones into doing these shows outside of a tour. I hope they will do recording during this down time, but I wouldn't count on it being the reason that the band are not ready to play live again.

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Fan Since 1964
Well now it's confirmed: Coachella is off the table.
Jagger says it's too early and the band isn't ready!

Can it be due to recording sessions for a new album?
Surely hope so!

Plenty of bands have the ability to play a show while in the middle of recording an album. If that's the case here, then apparently the "greatest band in the history of the world" doesn't have that ability.
or perhaps The Stones just don't want to play Coachella? "too early" and "band isn't ready" are convenient excuses.

They may be 'convenient' excuses, but they are stupid excuses.

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Yeah, they're not ready, whatever that means, possibilities :
1. unrehearsed : 0% - see 50th Anniversary Tour
2. recording new tracks/album : 5% - no sighting, no annoucement
3. no offer/offers that Keith thinks "sound about right" : 99%
4. designing a new stage for stadiums : 99% if/when 3.

That be some crazy math...

[thepowergoats.com]

Seems improbable that they'd play a festival, their amount of appearances have to be considered limited, still they showed on 12-12-12, they are capable and not afraid of a multi band event. The Stones are jet setters, what continent they are on is their biggest concern. Jagger has his hands full rehearsing or trying to make an album with a backline that takes pleasure in f**king with him. On stage there is hardly a set up for a vocal entrance, he has to fight his way through. Keith hangs notes extra long at the end of solos just to throw him off, he then looks at Stone faced Ronnie and giggles. Mick remains unflappable, he wants the cash but also strives for the best they can deliver. Seeing him sell Doom and Gloom live was truly inspiring, He both pleads and demands attention to the new songs but it's hard to do with just ok songs. What they and we so need for a great 2013 is not an appearance at a spring festival but ONE great mofo song. Easier said than done but the world will be rocked if they can pull off a "Miss You" like miracle. Can they lose the reverb and doubles and triples of guitar parts? Can they find some magic in their long term sidemen like Bobby Keys has done so many times before and Chuck had done so brilliantly for The Allmans and Clapton? It's all there, If I were producer I'd follow history and lock The Glimmers in a room and demand their best writing effort.



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I think we are going to see a handful of big North American dates one half of the summer and a handful of European dates the other half with possible dates south of the equator for their summer.

Coachella was never realistic because not only would it not necessarily serve the band and it's fans well, it wouldn't serve the festival well either.

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DoomandGloom
Seems improbable that they'd play a festival, their amount of appearances have to be considered limited, still they showed on 12-12-12, they are capable and not afraid of a multi band event. The Stones are jet setters, what continent they are on is their biggest concern. Jagger has his hands full rehearsing or trying to make an album with a backline that takes pleasure in f**king with him. On stage there is hardly a set up for a vocal entrance, he has to fight his way through. Keith hangs notes extra long at the end of solos just to throw him off, he then looks at Stone faced Ronnie and giggles. Mick remains unflappable, he wants the cash but also strives for the best they can deliver. Seeing him sell Doom and Gloom live was truly inspiring, He both pleads and demands attention to the new songs but it's hard to do with just ok songs. What they and we so need for a great 2013 is not an appearance at a spring festival but ONE great mofo song. Easier said than done but the world will be rocked if they can pull off a "Miss You" like miracle. Can they lose the reverb and doubles and triples of guitar parts? Can they find some magic in their long term sidemen like Bobby Keys has done so many times before and Chuck had done so brilliantly for The Allmans and Clapton? It's all there, If I were producer I'd follow history and lock The Glimmers in a room and demand their best writing effort.

with all respect Doom & Gloom

>>lock The Glimmers in a room and demand their best writing effort.

is probably not a good idea

It's really not rocket science, they are obviously going to record a new album sometime during the first half of the year and do more shows in the second, if not late in the first half, maybe sometime in June.

the chinchella fest thing was a non-starter from the get-go.

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T&A
the chinchella fest thing was a non-starter from the get-go.

too much noise...they don't like noise..

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Fan Since 1964
Well now it's confirmed: Coachella is off the table.
Jagger says it's too early and the band isn't ready!

Can it be due to recording sessions for a new album?
Surely hope so!

Plenty of bands have the ability to play a show while in the middle of recording an album. If that's the case here, then apparently the "greatest band in the history of the world" doesn't have that ability.
or perhaps The Stones just don't want to play Coachella? "too early" and "band isn't ready" are convenient excuses.

Anti-Stones, another one of your subtle below the belt jabs at the Stones. Go away, troll.

Is Coachella a big festival? I've never even heard of it. The thought of the Stones doing it is pretty hilarious, imo.

I think recording sessions are quite possible. Ronnie has been in the carribean for new year and traveled to London early January. Now he played at the Blues Festival at Mustique, where Mick lives. There might be some recording session with the other Stones.

Of course they won't do an all new studio album but overdubs on outtakes of the past 20 or 30 years might provide a "new" album in a Tattoo You kind of way.

We all now that at in the early 90s outtakes of Some Girls and Emotional Rescue were redone prior and during the Voodoo sessions. There must be more songs from the Bridges sessions and also from the Keith sessions with the Winos in the late 90s and early 00s. Then Mick was seen in the Being Mick documentary visiting the archive of old tapes in 2001. Also some tracks like "Still in Love" were recut during the Paris 2002 sessions and Dominique Tarle said in a french Stones magazine that they cut 20 complete songs.

maybe they will play the cuckeracha festival in brazil
jeroen

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corriecas
maybe they will play the cuckeracha festival in brazil
jeroen

Could be...there was a time ago when people said if there was ever a global nuclear war the only thing that would survive is cockroaches and Keith Richards.

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DoomandGloom
Seems improbable that they'd play a festival, their amount of appearances have to be considered limited, still they showed on 12-12-12, they are capable and not afraid of a multi band event. The Stones are jet setters, what continent they are on is their biggest concern. Jagger has his hands full rehearsing or trying to make an album with a backline that takes pleasure in f**king with him. On stage there is hardly a set up for a vocal entrance, he has to fight his way through. Keith hangs notes extra long at the end of solos just to throw him off, he then looks at Stone faced Ronnie and giggles. Mick remains unflappable, he wants the cash but also strives for the best they can deliver. Seeing him sell Doom and Gloom live was truly inspiring, He both pleads and demands attention to the new songs but it's hard to do with just ok songs. What they and we so need for a great 2013 is not an appearance at a spring festival but ONE great mofo song. Easier said than done but the world will be rocked if they can pull off a "Miss You" like miracle. Can they lose the reverb and doubles and triples of guitar parts? Can they find some magic in their long term sidemen like Bobby Keys has done so many times before and Chuck had done so brilliantly for The Allmans and Clapton? It's all there, If I were producer I'd follow history and lock The Glimmers in a room and demand their best writing effort.

Really good post. I thought Keith had long gotten over this notion of f*cking w/ Jagger on stage I agree that they need better, more lasting, penetrating songs, but the main reason IMO is that Jagger just doesn't trust the band. Well - mainly, Keith Were he to bring in something more challenging - he might see this as a dangerous set-up. And I don't mean "challenging", as in lots of chords like "
Rock in a hard place"; but a perfromance with subtleties, dynamics. Dynamics that you can count on. There are times Keith will deliver; other times not. And I think Jagger is tired of that Stones-y charm that many love in them.
That song he did with Rafael Saadiq at Grammy's - I think this is what he wishes he could do.

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DoomandGloom
Seems improbable that they'd play a festival, their amount of appearances have to be considered limited, still they showed on 12-12-12, they are capable and not afraid of a multi band event. The Stones are jet setters, what continent they are on is their biggest concern. Jagger has his hands full rehearsing or trying to make an album with a backline that takes pleasure in f**king with him. On stage there is hardly a set up for a vocal entrance, he has to fight his way through. Keith hangs notes extra long at the end of solos just to throw him off, he then looks at Stone faced Ronnie and giggles. Mick remains unflappable, he wants the cash but also strives for the best they can deliver. Seeing him sell Doom and Gloom live was truly inspiring, He both pleads and demands attention to the new songs but it's hard to do with just ok songs. What they and we so need for a great 2013 is not an appearance at a spring festival but ONE great mofo song. Easier said than done but the world will be rocked if they can pull off a "Miss You" like miracle. Can they lose the reverb and doubles and triples of guitar parts? Can they find some magic in their long term sidemen like Bobby Keys has done so many times before and Chuck had done so brilliantly for The Allmans and Clapton? It's all there, If I were producer I'd follow history and lock The Glimmers in a room and demand their best writing effort.

Really good post. I thought Keith had long gotten over this notion of f*cking w/ Jagger on stage I agree that they need better, more lasting, penetrating songs, but the main reason IMO is that Jagger just doesn't trust the band. Well - mainly, Keith Were he to bring in something more challenging - he might see this as a dangerous set-up. And I don't mean "challenging", as in lots of chords like "
Rock in a hard place"; but a perfromance with subtleties, dynamics. Dynamics that you can count on. There are times Keith will deliver; other times not. And I think Jagger is tired of that Stones-y charm that many love in them.
That song he did with Rafael Saadiq at Grammy's - I think this is what he wishes he could do.

That is true. However, the song with the most changes, in dynamics too, is Midnight Rambler. Keith still leads this number, and they never do a bad version.

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Is Coachella a big festival? I've never even heard of it. The thought of the Stones doing it is pretty hilarious, imo.

I'm not too sure, though the Isle of Wight Festival is hardly the event it was in
'69 and 1970. Glastonbury and Reading/Leeds get bigger billing. My point is that, IMO, the Stones performing Coachella is not a far-fetched idea. It's obvsiously not happening, of course.

Several possible reasons for no Coachella:

1. Money. They weren't going to get a huge payday
2. Audience. Would the Stones bring in a bigger crowd to a festival that sells well anyway to 20-somethings. The audience at the typical Coachella would be happier with Jack White or the Chili Peppers
3. Would playing Coachella dilute the audience for MUCH higher priced tix if they tour and want to play 2 shows in southern California? Seeing the band for $100 at Coachella in Spring then coming back and paying $450 in July is something many on this board might do, but the casual fan won't - skipping Coachella protects the promoter of the tour....follow the money!

This thread is a jump to conclusions mat.

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DoomandGloom
Seems improbable that they'd play a festival, their amount of appearances have to be considered limited, still they showed on 12-12-12, they are capable and not afraid of a multi band event. The Stones are jet setters, what continent they are on is their biggest concern. Jagger has his hands full rehearsing or trying to make an album with a backline that takes pleasure in f**king with him. On stage there is hardly a set up for a vocal entrance, he has to fight his way through. Keith hangs notes extra long at the end of solos just to throw him off, he then looks at Stone faced Ronnie and giggles. Mick remains unflappable, he wants the cash but also strives for the best they can deliver. Seeing him sell Doom and Gloom live was truly inspiring, He both pleads and demands attention to the new songs but it's hard to do with just ok songs. What they and we so need for a great 2013 is not an appearance at a spring festival but ONE great mofo song. Easier said than done but the world will be rocked if they can pull off a "Miss You" like miracle. Can they lose the reverb and doubles and triples of guitar parts? Can they find some magic in their long term sidemen like Bobby Keys has done so many times before and Chuck had done so brilliantly for The Allmans and Clapton? It's all there, If I were producer I'd follow history and lock The Glimmers in a room and demand their best writing effort.

Really good post. I thought Keith had long gotten over this notion of f*cking w/ Jagger on stage I agree that they need better, more lasting, penetrating songs, but the main reason IMO is that Jagger just doesn't trust the band. Well - mainly, Keith Were he to bring in something more challenging - he might see this as a dangerous set-up. And I don't mean "challenging", as in lots of chords like "
Rock in a hard place"; but a perfromance with subtleties, dynamics. Dynamics that you can count on. There are times Keith will deliver; other times not. And I think Jagger is tired of that Stones-y charm that many love in them.
That song he did with Rafael Saadiq at Grammy's - I think this is what he wishes he could do.

That is true. However, the song with the most changes, in dynamics too, is Midnight Rambler. Keith still leads this number, and they never do a bad version.

MR is a song where KR plays a specific part, his guitar is capoed I think at the 5th fret so he's not doing solos. As a side note Keith claims he uses open E tuning on MR but I find it impossible to play that way but the usual G configuration works fine. Seems like a weird thing to lie about, someone here will know for sure. The one great song concept is something we should speculate on. It's seems that their usual practice of searching the archives for unreleased songs and then building from there has dried up. Partly because they are no longer drawing from their best eras and partly because they've gone to that well much too often. Many of their finest songs in their golden era lean on the great musicians they hired. What would SFD, Loving Cup or TWFNO be without Nicky, the first two sides of Exile be without Bobby? Not to forget member Mick Taylor's undeniable contributions everywhere. Might they have become overly sensitive to criticism from musicians who claim they've contributed more than they're recognized for and are now weary of working tracks out like in the great SFTD video? Presently they're stuck in composing mud, seemingly starting a song by grabbing a catchy title and then fitting in the puzzle pieces. Certainly they must have some life experiences left to evoke, Keith can start with a reggae about a coconut tree. On the reverse it must be overwhelming for The Glimmers to compete with their own successes and some empathy from us hard core fans is proper. Perhaps it will just take a steady stream of faith in the band from all involved to capture lightning in a bottle, delivering us one more Jumping Jack Flash or Wild Horses.



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