I was thinking of upgrading some of my Stones discs from the 94 remasters and wanted to know what the verdict on these was. I hear some like Emotional Rescue sound better than ever but some are too loud.



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Don't throw away your old copy of Goats Head Soup. To the best of my knowledge, unless something has changed, there isn't a version of the remaster with an un-edited "Star Star". I know one is un-edited until the John Wayne line, and they pump the volume up in the guitars and drown out Mick's voice so the line is mostly gone from the mix. There's another that has a really strange edit on the "betcha keep your p%$$y clean". They really butcher the edit by inserting a second line of Mick singing so it sounds jumbled and strange. The first time I heard it I thought I had a defective CD, it's terrible. Apparently it's the actual U.S. radio version from the time.

I think the general consensus is that in most cases you will be 'downgrading' not upgrading going with 2009's because of the brickwalling.

If you have the Virgin remasters you're good.

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Both 1994 Virgin remasters and 2009 UMG remasters are very overrated IMO.
But if I had to choose I would pick the Virgin remasters because they're a bit less compressed than their UMG counterparts which are terrible according to most accounts... (plus original artwork is very well reproduced on Virgin's)

If you're looking for a real upgrade try to get the CBS CD"s from the 80's (not all are on par but for instance GHS and ER sound really nice on this edition)... The Japanese SACD's released in 2011 with flat transfer from original master tapes would be a real upgrade though but they are very expensive.

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Don't throw away your old copy of Goats Head Soup. To the best of my knowledge, unless something has changed, there isn't a version of the remaster with an un-edited "Star Star". I know one is un-edited until the John Wayne line, and they pump the volume up in the guitars and drown out Mick's voice so the line is mostly gone from the mix. There's another that has a really strange edit on the "betcha keep your p%$$y clean". They really butcher the edit by inserting a second line of Mick singing so it sounds jumbled and strange. The first time I heard it I thought I had a defective CD, it's terrible. Apparently it's the actual U.S. radio version from the time.

I truly hate that version and don't undertand it either. A song that has dozens of F words becomes offensive when p$$$y is said????

I actually like the UMC Sticky Fingers! Made me jump fiorst time I PLAYed it. Yes - it's LOUD. And "compressed"...but I like it. The rest.... mmmm and GOATS IS a travesty because of that Star Star editing....

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Don't throw away your old copy of Goats Head Soup. To the best of my knowledge, unless something has changed, there isn't a version of the remaster with an un-edited "Star Star". I know one is un-edited until the John Wayne line, and they pump the volume up in the guitars and drown out Mick's voice so the line is mostly gone from the mix. There's another that has a really strange edit on the "betcha keep your p%$$y clean". They really butcher the edit by inserting a second line of Mick singing so it sounds jumbled and strange. The first time I heard it I thought I had a defective CD, it's terrible. Apparently it's the actual U.S. radio version from the time.

The censored version was only on the first batch of re-releases. It changed back to the normal version afterwards.

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The censored version was only on the first batch of re-releases. It changed back to the normal version afterwards.

But only in the USA.

I know it's butchered, but it's the version that sounds normal to me and I wouldn't mind getting hold of a digital version. Can you tell me what to look for? I'll buy a copy if I ever see it.



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I like the sudden loud guitars, always have. I figured it was intentional from the get-go.

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Don't throw away your old copy of Goats Head Soup. To the best of my knowledge, unless something has changed, there isn't a version of the remaster with an un-edited "Star Star". I know one is un-edited until the John Wayne line, and they pump the volume up in the guitars and drown out Mick's voice so the line is mostly gone from the mix. There's another that has a really strange edit on the "betcha keep your p%$$y clean". They really butcher the edit by inserting a second line of Mick singing so it sounds jumbled and strange. The first time I heard it I thought I had a defective CD, it's terrible. Apparently it's the actual U.S. radio version from the time.

The censored version was only on the first batch of re-releases. It changed back to the normal version afterwards.

Right, but that version still has the John Wayne line edited, unless there's a third version that I don't know of that's completely unedited.

send me your 94 discs and I GLADLY give you Universals

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Thread titling is quite misleading. The last Stones release on Virgin Records was Biggest Mistake CD single and 7" vinyl on August 21, 2006...

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Thread titling is quite misleading. The last Stones release on Virgin Records was Biggest Mistake CD single and 7" vinyl on August 21, 2006...

Ha ha. Yeah, ha, that's why I did that quasi-lifespan... Not sure why they thought it was Virgin that did the 2009 remasters. Either a simple mistake or didn't/don't know and just assummed?

I never heard the censored version of Star Star. Since it was replaced after the first batch of pressings is there anywhere else to hear it?

I also hear that his is the best version of the Emotional Rescue cd's. Not sure if that's true.

The best CD version of Emotional Rescue is the CBS/Columbia CD released in the 80's. No compression or limiting and full dynamic range.

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The best CD version of Emotional Rescue is the CBS/Columbia CD released in the 80's. No compression or limiting and full dynamic range.

You're starting to make me think that getting those damn CDs again is a must.

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The best CD version of Emotional Rescue is the CBS/Columbia CD released in the 80's. No compression or limiting and full dynamic range.

You're starting to make me think that getting those damn CDs again is a must.

They're the best sounding CD's of the Stones 70's albums to my ears (and a few others apparently) mainly because they all feature a clear "open" sound which is not compressed (in order to make it louder).
However all are not sounding the same because they were mastered for CD by different engineers. Those featuring the best sound are maybe ER, GHS, IORR, Exile and Undercover. Depending on your listening habits Sticky and Some Girls may sound not so good... though I like a lot SG in this series.
They're still easy to find and on second hand market sell for nothing.

I see there's a bunch of new 2012 sacd uploaded into the 'Internet library' from japan. Is this old releases done again?m

"'Internet library' from japan" ? What's this?

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The best CD version of Emotional Rescue is the CBS/Columbia CD released in the 80's. No compression or limiting and full dynamic range.

You're starting to make me think that getting those damn CDs again is a must.

They're the best sounding CD's of the Stones 70's albums to my ears (and a few others apparently) mainly because they all feature a clear "open" sound which is not compressed (in order to make it louder).
However all are not sounding the same because they were mastered for CD by different engineers. Those featuring the best sound are maybe ER, GHS, IORR, Exile and Undercover. Depending on your listening habits Sticky and Some Girls may sound not so good... though I like a lot SG in this series.
They're still easy to find and on second hand market sell for nothing.

The Virgin Sticky Fingers through Black And Blue, ER, TY and U sounded a lot better to my ears, although the CBS discs sounded fine. Perhaps the compression made some things stick out more, like horns and bass? The Virgins just sound a bit more full. The difference in volume is there but it's more subtle, not like the jump UMe did.

Nothing could help Some Girls, Dirty Work or Steel Wheels, those albums sound neutered, flat and stale. Too bright, too clean, not enough ooomph on the bottom end.

Doesn't it seem strange that Marcussen would remaster the albums to sound so bad when that's what he does? Oh wait, that IS what he does - masters albums beyond listening.

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"'Internet library' from japan" ? What's this?

I have seen some Japanese Remasters with 2012 date available from a web site of dubious origin. I wondered if these were possible new releases, remixed.
It's on the pirate ship .... Also known in my house as the 'Internet library'

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"'Internet library' from japan" ? What's this?

I have seen some Japanese Remasters with 2012 date available from a web site of dubious origin. I wondered if these were possible new releases, remixed.
It's on the pirate ship .... Also known in my house as the 'Internet library'

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Latest Stones releases from Japan are the SHM-SACD series released in 2011/2012. Technically they were not remastered but directly transferred from analog tapes to DSD. Some sites from Japan are selling those "flat transferred" files online as well but in high resolution PCM (192kHz/24bit) : [music.e-onkyo.com]

I think they remaster these albums over and over and you're not going to get a better sound out of them because of the mix. The bass is nearly non-existent in a lot of the Stones albums. It only seems that certain songs have any bottom end on them at all. You hear the kick drum, but the bass guitar, mid range is often gone. 'Emotional Rescue', 'Dirty Work', 'Steel Wheels', portions of 'Some Girls'. 'Goats Head Soup' needs to be totally remixed, there is no kick drum or any particular bass, nothing but a murky puree at best. Let's see some remixed work!

I don't think they need a remix. Only a proper mastering for digital era, which is yet to be seen...

I think something packaged as an 'alternate remix' would be interesting, ie with more upfront bass/drums, although commercially not sure of the viability of something like that.