Any idea why Mick did use a double mic during Hyde Park performance? He has a strange device, with 2 mics upside down.

I think that it's a safety if the first one stop working.

JumpingKentFlash

I´m no expert when it comes to sound technology but I think one mic was used for the PA system and the other one for recording purpose.

he doesn't use it during the hole show, if I remember it correctly. He sings in a single microphone for a few songs.

I agree with Tornandfrayed`s suggestion....One for PA and one to provide a "clean" source for the recording.

You can record the voice directly from the mixing desk, you don´t need another mike for that. Isn´t it a trick from the old mono days to get a sort of doubletracking? I mean they didn´t have stereo delays those days (where you can put different delay times on the two channels to get the effect), so they simply put one signal through a delay and the other one not. Voices sound much brighter with this effect, its like a second voice doubling (but to hear that, the second voice/signal phase has to be shifted a few 1/100 seconds, which the delay effect is for).

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> You can record the voice directly from the mixing
> desk, you don´t need another mike for that.

I know that. But there are a lot of 60s/70s concerts that were FILMED (e.g. Jimi Hendrix at Royal Albert Hall 1969, Led Zeppelin at RAH 1970, Isle Of Wight Festival,...) where the film crew used a second mic in order to record their own vocal track.

Well, whatever the reason for it.........it didn't work. The sound of this show must be the worst quality of all Stones concerts ever, including the vocals.

>Well, whatever the reason for it.........it didn't work. The sound of this show must be the worst quality of all Stones concerts ever, including the vocals.

What do we learn? Never hold a mic upside down. :-)

As far as I know, The Stones hired the Who's sound system for Hyde Park concert.

Bearing in mind that self-proclamed-genuine-rocker Daltrey hated Jagger's posh, bourgeois style, maybe it was to avoid some Daltrey's trick, ah ah.

I think Bill's memories reads something about the Hyde Park's sono. He said in short it was a bit weird, not fitting very well for the Stones.

Anyway, the Stones hadn't play on stage for a real concert since 1967, the Melody Maker's appereance in 1968 being only a two-song sets.

The reason is: in those days PA's were still fairly weak in power. So, at larger concerts they simply used two PA's for the vocals, one left and one right. The mixing boards didn't have the facility yet to connect easily, so two microfones were used. If you just tigh them together the sound gets awfull as somne frequencies will interfere, therefore the second mike is taped approx. 5 cm. behind the other. There's many concerts and festivals from that time, mainly the bigger ones, where they used two microfones for the singer. I have wondered myself for 20 years why they do this, but if I remember well it is explained on the comments section from the Gimme Shelter DVD.

Mathijs

As usual, Mathijs' expertise helps. Bravo.

Why did they use two PA's for the vocals but only one for the guitar/drums?

Cheers,
Wuudy

Because you need a lot less power to amplify a blasting 350 watt Ampeg SVT than you need for a voice. In fact, when Cream whent on tour i 1968, they only ammplified the vox and drums -guitar and bass were unamplified, just the big Marshall towers.

Mathijs

And Claption still can hear something?

It sounds very bad - and maybe did sound bad.

Nowadays, the band "dispatches" the sound all over. In the Cream case/ crime case all the blast first hitted the muscians themselves.

Maybe there is a moral in the story. You put yourself deaf to death before putting the others deaf.

The Joker Wrote:
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> And Claption still can hear something?

I don´t know about Clapton but Ginger, "the poor bastard stuck in the middle of those noise making things", is more or less deaf since 1968.

Watch Hendrix at the Monterey festival warning the first couple rows when he hits the stage: "go away, you will be deaf within 3 minutes" he seems to say...

Mathijs

LOL You think you have the best seat in the house...

But if it's that loud, how does Hendrix put up with it?

Cheers,
Wuudy

About the finger:

The pic looks as if it is the right hand, so it would not matter too much.

But it may be a "reversed" pic.

What is your opinion?