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Well done.
Seems appropriate to quote this just next to the above link. What a tremendous performance. And if you listen to the different mixes (official and all the boots) it highlights different aspects of that performance as well.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but MR wasn't played at all on the B2B tour of 97 and 98.
Which is kinda strange as that song IMHO fitted the overall theme of the tour. Only The Stones can skip such an important tune and easily one of their best 3 songs ever and you still feel satisfied after the gig. It was amazing in 2014 but my favourite version was in Paris 2006 when Mick took us down to Loiusiana during the breakdown, I'll never forget that one, PURE MAGIC
As in 81-82 MR didn't show up. Are there any more examples of this "Warhorse omitted from a whole tour" except for the obvious three, Satisfaction between 73-78 (except Knebworth and 5 showings in '78) Sympathy in 81-82 and Brown Sugar since 2021? Granted, one could say PIB as well between 67-89 but it wasn't a warhorse a la Flash, Dice or Sympathy in the 70's.
I can't think of any right now
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-02 10:05 by MadMax.
Well, Paint it, Black returned in time for the Stones' first tour as a 'nostalgia act' Prior to their rebirth, they generally tended to perform the contemporary recordings and whatever 'oldies' they simply had to perform. The likes of Jumpin' Jack Flash and Tumbling Dice were - as you know, of course - very much part of their touring repertoire. Paint it, Black, etc, fit into a different category.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-02 10:53 by Big Al.
Ahh Dandy yes of course! No Sympathy in '78 as well, which actually made it a lesser show up piece than Satisfaction ne'c'est pas? 
73-78 (although 6 outings) for Satisfaction versus 70-73 and 77 to 89 for Sympathy!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-02 14:09 by MadMax.
Why are Hyde Park '13 and Havanna no regular live albums?
When you see Eagle, Promotone or Mercury Records, those are archival releases, even something new like HAVANA MOON or HYDE PARK LIVE, where as Polydor (some with with Interscope) is "current" in line with STILL LIFE, FLASHPOINT etc kind of regular live albums: overdubbing and editing was involved (except for HACKNEY DIAMONDS LIVE AT RACKET which is on Geffen).
Why something new like HM or HPL would be "archival" is unknown but maybe it's because of them being exclusive Google Music or iTunes releases digitally.
Why so many different labels? No idea. They're all owned by UMG except Promotone.
When you go strictly by label then El Mocambo is a "current" release and should be counted as an official live album AS it's released on Polydor. For me Hyde Park Live/Sweet Summer Sun (audio released under two different names) and Havanna Moon are official live albums because they were released soon after their recording.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-03 01:26 by hockenheim95.
It seems that way, the label. Aside from mixing the shows and editing the gaps between songs, if there's any post-production done, which in this case means overdubs, like they did for GYYYO, LYL, SL, F and LL, instead of a straight up mixed show - like 1982 Leeds... "from the vault" type releases aren't really "official" live albums, right?
Yet if it wasn't for what has been released, some outstanding Midnight Rambler performances would be locked away forever - and it's the only song they've never screwed up or played bad, whatever, like so many songs they've released over and over, officially and otherwise!
Compare all the live versions of Midnight Rambler to, well, this is too easy: Can't You Hear Me Knocking. LIVE LICKS and what few 'bootleg' albums it appears on, it's essentially unlistenable.
Because they perform Midnight Rambler so damn good every time.
Yes, and more generally,
The fascination of listening to many live arrangements of the same song often comes from a similar experience .
Sometimes you'll hear a lick and realise that it's just what was played on the record...but it was low in the mix , not prominent and just hadn't been on your radar .
I agree with 78 and 81/82. Still, imagine a MR version 1981. Wild, nasty, trashy...
beautiful !!! great work
thanks for sharing
Ohhhhh not with the outfit Mick wore yet alone the rest of the band sans Bill, although even he looked - holy crap, he was MIAMI VICE before it was even thought of. Mick was too camp for such a diabolical song, yet alone SFTD.
What!!??
When!!???
2011. The 2020 re-release was on RS Records as well.
[www.discogs.com]
Not to forget the 2023 release which is really hot!
[www.discogs.com]
LOL nowhere on any release starting with JUMP BACK is Rolling Stones Records involved.
No idea why discogs includes RS Records on anything post-1991. BRUSSELS is Polydor/Universal. RS Records was shut down when they signed with Virgin, and when they signed with Sony after Atlantic, RS Records only had the Stones, all other artists/releases went elsewhere.
That's the 1st show, with tracks from Wembley. The second show is the official release.
Mathijs
something about midnight rambler on the 81 stage just doesn't fit for me at all
but yeah it would've been a wild, nasty, and trashy version especially with mick in that get up
and i have a strong suspicion that it would have probably been played at the first two or three shows and then abandoned because they would have realized it didn't work well
and to gls they did perform satisfaction four times in 1978
and it was pretty rough sounding
fun but rough
youtube
Yeah 78 is nothing to brag about. Not a good time live for them.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-08 00:09 by More Hot Rocks.
that very much depends on the show
the early shows were particularly bad both from what i can hear on recordings and contemporary reviews
later shows were much better especially the some girls materail once they got it down
but it could still differ quite a bit from show to show
however i could maybe see them doing midnight rambler on this tour more then 81
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Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
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Date: October 1, 2024 20:36
Quote
ekelundh
Sorry if this has been posted already. Here's a link to a YouTube video which seems to be an excellent tutorial on how to play KR and MT guitar parts in the Brussels Affair masterpiece Midnight Rambler version.
[youtu.be]
Well done.Re: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
schwonek
()
Date: October 2, 2024 09:17
Quote
Doxa
Brussels 1973. Like I tend to say the greatest rock and roll recorded performance by anyone ever. My absolute favourite piece of music.
- Doxa
Seems appropriate to quote this just next to the above link. What a tremendous performance. And if you listen to the different mixes (official and all the boots) it highlights different aspects of that performance as well.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
MadMax
()
Date: October 2, 2024 10:01
Quote
slew
I witnessed the show in Foxbor the other night and MR was simply awesome. The interplay between Mick and Keith was like the old days. For me it was an epic performance. I saw the first Metlife show a week earlier and it was not played. The show somehow came off as incomplete without it. It is always the highlight of the show for me. I know some shows from 94 to 2007 didn't include it. When they came back for the Fifty and counting I believe it was played on every tour. Miss You paled in comparison even though the Metlife verison was prety good. They need to play Rambler it's so good live. Speaking of shows feeling incomplete this is the first tour I've seen without Brown Sugar but that's a whole other topic.....I must say I do miss the song in the set and find it less disturbing lyrically than Rambler.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but MR wasn't played at all on the B2B tour of 97 and 98.
Which is kinda strange as that song IMHO fitted the overall theme of the tour. Only The Stones can skip such an important tune and easily one of their best 3 songs ever and you still feel satisfied after the gig. It was amazing in 2014 but my favourite version was in Paris 2006 when Mick took us down to Loiusiana during the breakdown, I'll never forget that one, PURE MAGIC
As in 81-82 MR didn't show up. Are there any more examples of this "Warhorse omitted from a whole tour" except for the obvious three, Satisfaction between 73-78 (except Knebworth and 5 showings in '78) Sympathy in 81-82 and Brown Sugar since 2021? Granted, one could say PIB as well between 67-89 but it wasn't a warhorse a la Flash, Dice or Sympathy in the 70's.
I can't think of any right now
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-02 10:05 by MadMax.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
Big Al
()
Date: October 2, 2024 10:45
Quote
MadMaxQuote
slew
I witnessed the show in Foxbor the other night and MR was simply awesome. The interplay between Mick and Keith was like the old days. For me it was an epic performance. I saw the first Metlife show a week earlier and it was not played. The show somehow came off as incomplete without it. It is always the highlight of the show for me. I know some shows from 94 to 2007 didn't include it. When they came back for the Fifty and counting I believe it was played on every tour. Miss You paled in comparison even though the Metlife verison was prety good. They need to play Rambler it's so good live. Speaking of shows feeling incomplete this is the first tour I've seen without Brown Sugar but that's a whole other topic.....I must say I do miss the song in the set and find it less disturbing lyrically than Rambler.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but MR wasn't played at all on the B2B tour of 97 and 98.
Which is kinda strange as that song IMHO fitted the overall theme of the tour. Only The Stones can skip such an important tune and easily one of their best 3 songs ever and you still feel satisfied after the gig. It was amazing in 2014 but my favourite version was in Paris 2006 when Mick took us down to Loiusiana during the breakdown, I'll never forget that one, PURE MAGIC
As in 81-82 MR didn't show up. Are there any more examples of this "Warhorse omitted from a whole tour" except for the obvious three, Satisfaction between 73-78 (except Knebworth and 5 showings in '78) Sympathy in 81-82 and Brown Sugar since 2021? Granted, one could say PIB as well between 67-89 but it wasn't a warhorse a la Flash, Dice or Sympathy in the 70's.
I can't think of any right now
Well, Paint it, Black returned in time for the Stones' first tour as a 'nostalgia act' Prior to their rebirth, they generally tended to perform the contemporary recordings and whatever 'oldies' they simply had to perform. The likes of Jumpin' Jack Flash and Tumbling Dice were - as you know, of course - very much part of their touring repertoire. Paint it, Black, etc, fit into a different category.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-02 10:53 by Big Al.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 2, 2024 10:46
They only played MR a few times on the 94/95 tours (The Brixton version was surprisingly rusty). They didn't play it at all on the 78 tour.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
MadMax
()
Date: October 2, 2024 11:47
'Quote
DandelionPowderman
They only played MR a few times on the 94/95 tours (The Brixton version was surprisingly rusty). They didn't play it at all on the 78 tour.
Ahh Dandy yes of course!
No Sympathy in '78 as well, which actually made it a lesser show up piece than Satisfaction ne'c'est pas? 73-78 (although 6 outings) for Satisfaction versus 70-73 and 77 to 89 for Sympathy!
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-02 14:09 by MadMax.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
Taylor1
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Date: October 2, 2024 12:31
Sympathy would have been awesome on the 1972-1973 tours
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 2, 2024 20:08
It's good to not play every warhorse every tour. For me, 1989 and 2019, with 1989 being absolutely amazing, for Midnight Rambler.
Certain tours - 1978 is obvious why no MR, with, at the time, only 4-5 warhorses (and fortunately no Satisfaction). New album, fast paced songs, a country song... MR would not fit.
Similar with 1981-82.
If they left out Satisfaction, Miss You, IORR, SFTD, SMU, Gimme Shelter, YCAGWYW JJF and HTW and kept MR, and played a few other tunes, like Street Fighting Man, Shattered, All Down The Line, When The Whip Comes Down, Dancing With Mr D, threw in a few recent tunes, something daring like All The Way Down and Get Close, then maybe some usuals like Mixed Emotions etc...
Hell, I find myself skipping those warhorses when listening to the more recent live albums!!!
Weird, though, that Midnight Rambler is only on one regular live album. Fortunately it's on at least 7 official bootlegs.
Certain tours - 1978 is obvious why no MR, with, at the time, only 4-5 warhorses (and fortunately no Satisfaction). New album, fast paced songs, a country song... MR would not fit.
Similar with 1981-82.
If they left out Satisfaction, Miss You, IORR, SFTD, SMU, Gimme Shelter, YCAGWYW JJF and HTW and kept MR, and played a few other tunes, like Street Fighting Man, Shattered, All Down The Line, When The Whip Comes Down, Dancing With Mr D, threw in a few recent tunes, something daring like All The Way Down and Get Close, then maybe some usuals like Mixed Emotions etc...
Hell, I find myself skipping those warhorses when listening to the more recent live albums!!!
Weird, though, that Midnight Rambler is only on one regular live album. Fortunately it's on at least 7 official bootlegs.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
hockenheim95
()
Date: October 2, 2024 20:29
Quote
GasLightStreet
It's good to not play every warhorse every tour. For me, 1989 and 2019, with 1989 being absolutely amazing, for Midnight Rambler.
Certain tours - 1978 is obvious why no MR, with, at the time, only 4-5 warhorses (and fortunately no Satisfaction). New album, fast paced songs, a country song... MR would not fit.
Similar with 1981-82.
If they left out Satisfaction, Miss You, IORR, SFTD, SMU, Gimme Shelter, YCAGWYW JJF and HTW and kept MR, and played a few other tunes, like Street Fighting Man, Shattered, All Down The Line, When The Whip Comes Down, Dancing With Mr D, threw in a few recent tunes, something daring like All The Way Down and Get Close, then maybe some usuals like Mixed Emotions etc...
Hell, I find myself skipping those warhorses when listening to the more recent live albums!!!
Weird, though, that Midnight Rambler is only on one regular live album. Fortunately it's on at least 7 official bootlegs.
Why are Hyde Park '13 and Havanna no regular live albums?
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 2, 2024 22:57
Quote
hockenheim95
Why are Hyde Park '13 and Havanna no regular live albums?
When you see Eagle, Promotone or Mercury Records, those are archival releases, even something new like HAVANA MOON or HYDE PARK LIVE, where as Polydor (some with with Interscope) is "current" in line with STILL LIFE, FLASHPOINT etc kind of regular live albums: overdubbing and editing was involved (except for HACKNEY DIAMONDS LIVE AT RACKET which is on Geffen).
Why something new like HM or HPL would be "archival" is unknown but maybe it's because of them being exclusive Google Music or iTunes releases digitally.
Why so many different labels? No idea. They're all owned by UMG except Promotone.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
hockenheim95
()
Date: October 3, 2024 01:21
Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
hockenheim95
Why are Hyde Park '13 and Havanna no regular live albums?
When you see Eagle, Promotone or Mercury Records, those are archival releases, even something new like HAVANA MOON or HYDE PARK LIVE, where as Polydor (some with with Interscope) is "current" in line with STILL LIFE, FLASHPOINT etc kind of regular live albums: overdubbing and editing was involved (except for HACKNEY DIAMONDS LIVE AT RACKET which is on Geffen).
Why something new like HM or HPL would be "archival" is unknown but maybe it's because of them being exclusive Google Music or iTunes releases digitally.
Why so many different labels? No idea. They're all owned by UMG except Promotone.
When you go strictly by label then El Mocambo is a "current" release and should be counted as an official live album AS it's released on Polydor. For me Hyde Park Live/Sweet Summer Sun (audio released under two different names) and Havanna Moon are official live albums because they were released soon after their recording.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-03 01:26 by hockenheim95.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 3, 2024 02:05
Quote
hockenheim95Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
hockenheim95
Why are Hyde Park '13 and Havanna no regular live albums?
When you see Eagle, Promotone or Mercury Records, those are archival releases, even something new like HAVANA MOON or HYDE PARK LIVE, where as Polydor (some with with Interscope) is "current" in line with STILL LIFE, FLASHPOINT etc kind of regular live albums: overdubbing and editing was involved (except for HACKNEY DIAMONDS LIVE AT RACKET which is on Geffen).
Why something new like HM or HPL would be "archival" is unknown but maybe it's because of them being exclusive Google Music or iTunes releases digitally.
Why so many different labels? No idea. They're all owned by UMG except Promotone.
When you go strictly by label then El Mocambo is a "current" release and should be counted as an official live album AS it's released on Polydor. For me Hyde Park Live/Sweet Summer Sun (audio released under two different names) and Havanna Moon are official live albums because they were released soon after their recording.
It seems that way, the label. Aside from mixing the shows and editing the gaps between songs, if there's any post-production done, which in this case means overdubs, like they did for GYYYO, LYL, SL, F and LL, instead of a straight up mixed show - like 1982 Leeds... "from the vault" type releases aren't really "official" live albums, right?
Yet if it wasn't for what has been released, some outstanding Midnight Rambler performances would be locked away forever - and it's the only song they've never screwed up or played bad, whatever, like so many songs they've released over and over, officially and otherwise!
Compare all the live versions of Midnight Rambler to, well, this is too easy: Can't You Hear Me Knocking. LIVE LICKS and what few 'bootleg' albums it appears on, it's essentially unlistenable.
Because they perform Midnight Rambler so damn good every time.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 3, 2024 09:32
The first physical release of The Brussels Affair was released on RS Records.
Re: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: October 3, 2024 09:52
Quote
schwonekQuote
Doxa
Brussels 1973. Like I tend to say the greatest rock and roll recorded performance by anyone ever. My absolute favourite piece of music.
- Doxa
Seems appropriate to quote this just next to the above link. What a tremendous performance. And if you listen to the different mixes (official and all the boots) it highlights different aspects of that performance as well.
Yes, and more generally,
The fascination of listening to many live arrangements of the same song often comes from a similar experience .
Sometimes you'll hear a lick and realise that it's just what was played on the record...but it was low in the mix , not prominent and just hadn't been on your radar .
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
schwonek
()
Date: October 3, 2024 09:59
Quote
GasLightStreet
Certain tours - 1978 is obvious why no MR, with, at the time, only 4-5 warhorses (and fortunately no Satisfaction). New album, fast paced songs, a country song... MR would not fit.
Similar with 1981-82.
I agree with 78 and 81/82. Still, imagine a MR version 1981. Wild, nasty, trashy...
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
djgab
()
Date: October 3, 2024 15:04
Quote
ekelundh
Sorry if this has been posted already. Here's a link to a YouTube video which seems to be an excellent tutorial on how to play KR and MT guitar parts in the Brussels Affair masterpiece Midnight Rambler version.
beautiful !!! great work
thanks for sharing
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 4, 2024 11:25
Quote
schwonekQuote
GasLightStreet
Certain tours - 1978 is obvious why no MR, with, at the time, only 4-5 warhorses (and fortunately no Satisfaction). New album, fast paced songs, a country song... MR would not fit.
Similar with 1981-82.
I agree with 78 and 81/82. Still, imagine a MR version 1981. Wild, nasty, trashy...
Ohhhhh not with the outfit Mick wore yet alone the rest of the band sans Bill, although even he looked - holy crap, he was MIAMI VICE before it was even thought of. Mick was too camp for such a diabolical song, yet alone SFTD.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 4, 2024 11:27
Quote
DandelionPowderman
The first physical release of The Brussels Affair was released on RS Records.
What!!??
When!!???
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: October 7, 2024 14:26
Quote
GasLightStreetQuote
DandelionPowderman
The first physical release of The Brussels Affair was released on RS Records.
What!!??
When!!???
2011. The 2020 re-release was on RS Records as well.
[www.discogs.com]
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
schwonek
()
Date: October 7, 2024 17:35
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
DandelionPowderman
The first physical release of The Brussels Affair was released on RS Records.
What!!??
When!!???
2011. The 2020 re-release was on RS Records as well.
[www.discogs.com]
Not to forget the 2023 release which is really hot!
[www.discogs.com]
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 7, 2024 17:56
Quote
DandelionPowdermanQuote
GasLightStreetQuote
DandelionPowderman
The first physical release of The Brussels Affair was released on RS Records.
What!!??
When!!???
2011. The 2020 re-release was on RS Records as well.
[www.discogs.com]
LOL nowhere on any release starting with JUMP BACK is Rolling Stones Records involved.
No idea why discogs includes RS Records on anything post-1991. BRUSSELS is Polydor/Universal. RS Records was shut down when they signed with Virgin, and when they signed with Sony after Atlantic, RS Records only had the Stones, all other artists/releases went elsewhere.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
TheflyingDutchman
()
Date: October 7, 2024 18:55
I cannot follow the exact discussion here, or I overlook something, but I do remember that we had the entire Brussels concert like it is now on reel to reel tape around 1975 already.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: October 7, 2024 19:03
Quote
TheflyingDutchman
I cannot follow the exact discussion here, or I overlook something, but I do remember that we had the entire Brussels concert like it is now on reel to reel tape around 1975 already.
That's the 1st show, with tracks from Wembley. The second show is the official release.
Mathijs
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
hockenheim95
()
Date: October 7, 2024 19:58
Quote
MathijsQuote
TheflyingDutchman
I cannot follow the exact discussion here, or I overlook something, but I do remember that we had the entire Brussels concert like it is now on reel to reel tape around 1975 already.
That's the 1st show, with tracks from Wembley. The second show is the official release.
Mathijs[/quote
Brown Sugar, Midnight Rambler and Street Fighting Man are from the first show on the official release. The rest is from the second show.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: October 7, 2024 20:53
Quote
schwonekQuote
GasLightStreet
Certain tours - 1978 is obvious why no MR, with, at the time, only 4-5 warhorses (and fortunately no Satisfaction). New album, fast paced songs, a country song... MR would not fit.
Similar with 1981-82.
I agree with 78 and 81/82. Still, imagine a MR version 1981. Wild, nasty, trashy...
something about midnight rambler on the 81 stage just doesn't fit for me at all
but yeah it would've been a wild, nasty, and trashy version especially with mick in that get up
and i have a strong suspicion that it would have probably been played at the first two or three shows and then abandoned because they would have realized it didn't work well
and to gls they did perform satisfaction four times in 1978
and it was pretty rough sounding
fun but rough
youtube
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
GasLightStreet
()
Date: October 7, 2024 22:35
Oh. Damn. Never noticed they played Satisfaction in 1978. Just looked, found three shows.
Ha ha yeah that was pretty bad. At least they got it over with!
Ha ha yeah that was pretty bad. At least they got it over with!
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
More Hot Rocks
()
Date: October 7, 2024 22:58
Quote
GasLightStreet
Oh. Damn. Never noticed they played Satisfaction in 1978. Just looked, found three shows.
Ha ha yeah that was pretty bad. At least they got it over with!
Yeah 78 is nothing to brag about. Not a good time live for them.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2024-10-08 00:09 by More Hot Rocks.
Re: Track Talk: Midnight Rambler
Posted by:
ProfessorWolf
()
Date: October 8, 2024 00:34
Quote
More Hot RocksQuote
GasLightStreet
Oh. Damn. Never noticed they played Satisfaction in 1978. Just looked, found three shows.
Ha ha yeah that was pretty bad. At least they got it over with!
Yeah 78 is nothing to brag about. Not a good time live for them.
that very much depends on the show
the early shows were particularly bad both from what i can hear on recordings and contemporary reviews
later shows were much better especially the some girls materail once they got it down
but it could still differ quite a bit from show to show
however i could maybe see them doing midnight rambler on this tour more then 81
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