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Ok, sorry, i thought i was talking to someone who made sense. You contradict your first point by the end of the third line. Rocket science aside, as you say, the promoter looks at the costs and decides what he needs to charge in order to make his profit. Exactly right. And one of those costs is the number that the Stones have given him that they need to walk away with each night. What are you not getting?Quote
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Jagger has nothing to do with ticket prices. The promotor decides at what price he needs to sell them to recover his costs and make a profit. That does not take rocket science to understand....
Jagger has sold his services to another party and we, the third party will face the consequences. It is called risk-controlling.
Jagger is looking for a profit and so is the promotor.
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Well, my comment on the ticket prices. I have never complained about them and will never do so either. I can only speculate in the reason for why they are on a this level today.
It is not The Stones who set the ticket price. So I can never blame them for what I pay for my ticket. They have sold their services as a band to a promotor for 80 plus million USD for 2013. I think that there has been talks about 18 gigs or something. So the promotor has a cost of 80 millions. Now he has to recover his costs and how to do that? Well, simple mathematics, mmmbl... I have 80 million in cost....mmbl... and 18 gigs.....mmmbl...and i will get x amount of people into my venues....aah... that will make 200 usd a head I guess. Then I have some additional cost and then I need to do a profit I gues.....mmmmbl......mbl... OK I need to get an average of 400 usd for every sold ticket. Ok, fine, done deal!
Then you may have some thoughts about why Jagger asks for 80 million USD for 18 gigs and why a promotor is ready to pay Jagger 80 million USD for the tour.
Because thy're both intent on making a shed loada money?
I think the idea that Mick Jagger has no say in the ticket prices is wrong. All he has to do is make sure that the contract he signs says "ticket prices should be no more than X"........(ie. Keep control of the product)
If the promoter then says "well in that case we can't give you $80 million".....well then, they proceed from there.
In the 60's the Stones amongst others naively surrendered control of their product to Allen Klein......and paid the price.
I reckon anyone who thinks he's done the same here vis-a-vis these shows in 2013 (ie. it's all out of his control) is also, well, naive.
Ths Stones set the prices 100%. Their take is the single largest cost element by far. The ONE reason why prices are so high is that the Stones need to make $X per show or they won't do it. The negotiations start with Jagger saying "we need to take away $X million from the tour in profit." Everything else proceeds from there.
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hold the phone. just HOLD THE PHONE RIGHT THERE. i thought it was agreed here that the stones are doing this tour for sheer love of playing music with one another. what gives???
Ahhh, nobody's saying they don't like it, it just sooooooo much sweeter with a $80 mill cheque in your back pocket......."and if 'you' can get 200,000 people to put it there, we're on!...otherwise I'll... where's Joss and Dave Stewart, that was great fun - sic"
Jagger has nothing to do with ticket prices. The promotor decides at what price he needs to sell them to recover his costs and make a profit. That does not take rocket science to understand....
Jagger has sold his services to another party and we, the third party will face the consequences. It is called risk-controlling.
Jagger is looking for a profit and so is the promotor.
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I think there should just be one arena show to cover the $80,000,000 tour fee, with the average ticket priced around $4,000.
(Solely to read the responses in this thread and for my own amusement.)
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I think there should just be one arena show to cover the $80,000,000 tour fee, with the average ticket priced around $4,000.
(Solely to read the responses in this thread and for my own amusement.)
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I think there should just be one arena show to cover the $80,000,000 tour fee, with the average ticket priced around $4,000.
(Solely to read the responses in this thread and for my own amusement.)
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I think if the ticket could seel out at the price, why shouldnt they do it?
Isnt the only indicator of ticket prices being too high is it doesnt sell out?
If shows are selling out, ticket prices are not too high.
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I think if the ticket could seel out at the price, why shouldnt they do it?
Isnt the only indicator of ticket prices being too high is it doesnt sell out?
If shows are selling out, ticket prices are not too high.
Absolutely agree.
If it were me, I'd play one show and sell four tickets @ $20,000,000 each. Somebody would buy them.
Actually, I'd be tempted to just sell a single $80,000,000 ticket, but I'm not sure people would still believe me when I started talking about my passion for the craft.
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I think there should just be one arena show to cover the $80,000,000 tour fee, with the average ticket priced around $4,000.
(Solely to read the responses in this thread and for my own amusement.)
I think if the ticket could seel out at the price, why shouldnt they do it?
Isnt the only indicator of ticket prices being too high is it doesnt sell out?
If shows are selling out, ticket prices are not too high.
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cirrhosis
I think there should just be one arena show to cover the $80,000,000 tour fee, with the average ticket priced around $4,000.
(Solely to read the responses in this thread and for my own amusement.)
I think if the ticket could seel out at the price, why shouldnt they do it?
Isnt the only indicator of ticket prices being too high is it doesnt sell out?
If shows are selling out, ticket prices are not too high.
That's a sound LSE analysis but I always thought the Stones were about emotion, dancing and passion not just economics............
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"Depending on if you have seen them enough (I have) you might consider taking that 3grand and blowing a $1000 on ebay, today, on a bunch of Stones crap and then spending the other $2000 taking your honey to an all inclusive beach resort in the Caribbean for a week.... versus a 3 hour concert.
i know what you're saying max but i can do both. its just that sometimes in life just because you can doesnt mean you should.
i'm actually gonna give it a name-mc hammer gold toilet seat syndrome.
i threw back a couple of pairs-one in the toungue pit and 14th row floor for san jose.[they were sitting there 2 hours after the onsale by the way.]
im embarrassed and so should everyone involved in this fiasco.my problem isnt "can i pay" my probalem is--"is this rock and roll" cause it doesnt feel like it.
i've seen every tour since 75 so i might go to vegas just to keep the streak alive but geez,whole things kinda silly.
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I think there should just be one arena show to cover the $80,000,000 tour fee, with the average ticket priced around $4,000.
(Solely to read the responses in this thread and for my own amusement.)
I think if the ticket could seel out at the price, why shouldnt they do it?
Isnt the only indicator of ticket prices being too high is it doesnt sell out?
If shows are selling out, ticket prices are not too high.
That's a sound LSE analysis but I always thought the Stones were about emotion, dancing and passion not just economics............
Once everyone is inside, and the lights go down, and Mick comes out with a funny hat on, and the music starts, everyone forgets about the money
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I know you're right Max - a bit like Christmas day - you forget the cost for a day or two,,,,,,but for me there's still something a bit, well, a dark spot on the sun that wasn't there before.......hmmmm
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Just bought two in "Tongue Pit" tickets--$3005.75
I may be sick if my wife doesn't kill me first.
let's have some basic rules and guidelines for this thread. you can't spend a fortune on tickets and then complain. it's one or the other. please.
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I figure my recent trip to Australia and New Zealand came in at about $1200 to $1300 under budget. That should take care of the Stones tickets.
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No matter how much money one is worth it is a deal where.... "I have 3Grand in this hand, not a pitance.... now.... what in the wide wide world can Ispendsplurge it on". (No fair buying something sensible like some cool business equipment)... so.... Should I go to a 2 hour concert or should I spend 7-10 days in Bermuda, or Nevis, riding around on a moped with my gals arms wrapped around me?
I dont know.... I just dont know.
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I figure my recent trip to Australia and New Zealand came in at about $1200 to $1300 under budget. That should take care of the Stones tickets.
Then there is having your cake and eating it too. PROPS!
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Max, want to start a Stones-themed cruise trip this summer? $3k a couple, everything included, two weeks in the Caribbean!
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The only hope for lower prices, ever again, is if people refused to buy at these prices and the arenas were only 1/4-1/2 full.