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Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: JN99 ()
Date: March 2, 2018 19:35

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shortfatfanny
I don't complain.
I simply won't see any No Filter '18 show.
Seen them in Düsseldorf '17 and I enjoyed it very much.
Cost me a hell of money and I didn't regret it.
Just don't feel the wish or need to repeat that about half a year later.

I'm kind of in the same boat though my 2017 memory didn;t cost a lot as the trip was already planned and I got LD tickets. But the memory is one of a somewhat lackluster show in Lucca - the band, especially Keith (my hero I should mention) just weren't that great. Then there was the mass of people, too many really for the GA space and it just wasn't the best and probably close to the worst of my 50 shows.

So while on the one hand I'd like to replace that memory with a new/better one for what will likely become my last show, a part of me worries that just won't happen if I see them again. And I'll have to pay A LOT to find out...

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: Leonioid ()
Date: March 2, 2018 19:52

If The Stones play show close by where a fan lives... and that fan decides to skip the show cuz "whatever"... The odds are very high that in the end one will regret not going to see them so easily. Lucky Dips are priced right... go and have a beer... hear some Stones songs. Have fun.


Get it while the getting is good or probably regret it later.

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: March 2, 2018 19:54

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JN99
Quote
shortfatfanny
I don't complain.
I simply won't see any No Filter '18 show.
Seen them in Düsseldorf '17 and I enjoyed it very much.
Cost me a hell of money and I didn't regret it.
Just don't feel the wish or need to repeat that about half a year later.

I'm kind of in the same boat though my 2017 memory didn;t cost a lot as the trip was already planned and I got LD tickets. But the memory is one of a somewhat lackluster show in Lucca - the band, especially Keith (my hero I should mention) just weren't that great. Then there was the mass of people, too many really for the GA space and it just wasn't the best and probably close to the worst of my 50 shows.

So while on the one hand I'd like to replace that memory with a new/better one for what will likely become my last show, a part of me worries that just won't happen if I see them again. And I'll have to pay A LOT to find out...

That's a sticky situation, and not sure if it's worth the gamble to find out, but then again, why not? The last three Stones shows I saw were a rollercoaster - Desert Trip 1 below average at best. Desert Trip 2 much better, but far from the best. *Las Vegas - short setlist and Mick was sick. Yes they tried, and yes it's admirable Mick gave it a shot, and yes Midnight Rambler was great, and yes I paid a fraction of face value, but it didn't add up to a great show when compared to a show when all members are 100% healthy and able to give their all. I'm sure if I ever see them again it will be better than "Vegas '16 (how can it not?), and the No Filter shows of last year proved that as even at their worst it was an improvement, but not sure if it's even worth the bother (or gamble) anymore. Already have memories for a lifetime - don't want to sully them any more. That said, never say never and I'll always be open to seeing the Stones, but depending on a variety of circumstances (price, location, etc.).

By the way, how did you do with Lucky Dips at Lucca?

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: JN99 ()
Date: March 2, 2018 20:33

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Hairball
Quote
JN99
Quote
shortfatfanny
I don't complain.
I simply won't see any No Filter '18 show.
Seen them in Düsseldorf '17 and I enjoyed it very much.
Cost me a hell of money and I didn't regret it.
Just don't feel the wish or need to repeat that about half a year later.

I'm kind of in the same boat though my 2017 memory didn;t cost a lot as the trip was already planned and I got LD tickets. But the memory is one of a somewhat lackluster show in Lucca - the band, especially Keith (my hero I should mention) just weren't that great. Then there was the mass of people, too many really for the GA space and it just wasn't the best and probably close to the worst of my 50 shows.

So while on the one hand I'd like to replace that memory with a new/better one for what will likely become my last show, a part of me worries that just won't happen if I see them again. And I'll have to pay A LOT to find out...

That's a sticky situation, and not sure if it's worth the gamble to find out, but then again, why not? The last three Stones shows I saw were a rollercoaster - Desert Trip 1 below average at best. Desert Trip 2 much better, but far from the best. *Las Vegas - short setlist and Mick was sick. Yes they tried, and yes it's admirable Mick gave it a shot, and yes Midnight Rambler was great, and yes I paid a fraction of face value, but it didn't add up to a great show when compared to a show when all members are 100% healthy and able to give their all. I'm sure if I ever see them again it will be better than "Vegas '16 (how can it not?), and the No Filter shows of last year proved that as even at their worst it was an improvement, but not sure if it's even worth the bother (or gamble) anymore. Already have memories for a lifetime - don't want to sully them any more. That said, never say never and I'll always be open to seeing the Stones, but depending on a variety of circumstances (price, location, etc.).

By the way, how did you do with Lucky Dips at Lucca?

The whole experience getting tickets for Lucca was a bit of a nightmare. 1:00 am here in the U.S. I am trying to get tickets, trying even for Pit, they showed up along with front section GA (what is golden circle this time) but I could never get them, click and then "sorry no tickets" message. Over and over, this went on for an hour until I gave up. Finally I decided and tried for LD tix, got them no problem but CC was auto declined for foreign transaction so start again and try a different card. Finally by 2:30 or so I had LD tickets.

When I picked them up they were just regular GA and there were just sooooooo many people it was hard to even move around once through the gates, which took well over an hour. Once inside, it was over an hour wait for a toilet, same to get anywhere near a merchandise table. People just kept pouring in. It was crazy, but fun in a way too, great vibe in the whole city. That part was unlike anything I've experienced elsewhere.

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: Hairball ()
Date: March 2, 2018 20:39

I recall seeing pics and videos of the masses of people in the GA section - it looked like they were even spilling out to the sides under some trees, etc, but evidently that was considered GA as well.
Oh well, for Lucky Dips you did OK, and in the end it was somewhat of a fun and memorable experience despite the band not being that great! thumbs up

EDIT: Found these pics of Lucca w/ the mobs of people and trees.





( Source: Stones Lucca)

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Rip this joint, gonna save your soul, round and round and round we go......



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2018-03-02 20:47 by Hairball.

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: JN99 ()
Date: March 2, 2018 20:57

Ha-ha, yep that first picture in particular captures it pretty well!

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: Elmo ()
Date: March 3, 2018 12:51

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GuessWho
First saw the Stones in 1976 at the Glasgow Apollo.

All seats £3.50 in a 2,500 seater venue

Corrected for inflation - £27.00 in 2018.

So, in Edinburgh this year the equivalent GA is now over £100 (with fees)and seats, apart from those far from the stage, are even more expensive.

As much as I appreciate that the finances of the music business have shifted from record sales to live gigs it has now got out of hand.

Have seen the Stones many times in Scotland but this time round, which will be the last, I can't really justify the cost.

This is not just related to Stones' ticket prices - it's across the board now that "major" acts have ticket prices that are way too high - but people seem willing to pay.

I saw the Stones at the 'Leeds Lungs' gig in 1971 and paid less than £1GBP and saw two support bands too. I walked 4 miles in the snow to queue overnight for tickets. It was worth it in all respects. Now, some 40 odd years later, both the band and my attitude towards them has changed and it's no longer worth it in any respect.

I only hang around here in the hope that someone will find the Gomelsky tape or similar.

Just saying...

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: grzegorz67 ()
Date: March 3, 2018 13:02

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Elmo
Quote
GuessWho
First saw the Stones in 1976 at the Glasgow Apollo.

All seats £3.50 in a 2,500 seater venue

Corrected for inflation - £27.00 in 2018.

So, in Edinburgh this year the equivalent GA is now over £100 (with fees)and seats, apart from those far from the stage, are even more expensive.

As much as I appreciate that the finances of the music business have shifted from record sales to live gigs it has now got out of hand.

Have seen the Stones many times in Scotland but this time round, which will be the last, I can't really justify the cost.

This is not just related to Stones' ticket prices - it's across the board now that "major" acts have ticket prices that are way too high - but people seem willing to pay.

I saw the Stones at the 'Leeds Lungs' gig in 1971 and paid less than £1GBP and saw two support bands too. I walked 4 miles in the snow to queue overnight for tickets. It was worth it in all respects. Now, some 40 odd years later, both the band and my attitude towards them has changed and it's no longer worth it in any respect.

I only hang around here in the hope that someone will find the Gomelsky tape or similar.

Just saying...

That’s some benchmark! Oh well, at least you got your money’s worth that night grinning smiley

It’s 47 years ago no btw sad smiley

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Date: March 3, 2018 13:11

Prices that have been unoficially published for Prague have big difference between GA and FoS

GA 1990 CZK
FoS 4590 CZK

That surprised me negatively. Why FoS is 2,3 times more expensive than GA? I was considering FoS now I am not that sure what I'll buy next week.

thumbs down

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: March 3, 2018 18:27

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jumpingjackflash5
Prices that have been unoficially published for Prague have big difference between GA and FoS

GA 1990 CZK
FoS 4590 CZK

That surprised me negatively. Why FoS is 2,3 times more expensive than GA? I was considering FoS now I am not that sure what I'll buy next week.

thumbs down

Thats £70 GA. £161 FOS. (In the UK its £90 vs £250, which is an even bigger % gap)

Why is it more expensive? Well, I'd imagine the FOS is less crowded, its easier to come and go as you please and I guess by calling it 'Front of stage' its to give you the impression that you're getting something extra special. Standard bit of bullshit marketing thats been the norm for years (like the $700 'hot seat' nonsense from the Bigger Bang tour where for paying double what everyone else was paying you got a 'free' laminate and other such pointless kitsch that didnt justify the price hike)

Personally, while its obviously a better area to be in, I dont think its THAT much better that it justifies you paying 2 or 3 times as much for what is still only a standing ticket. I certainly wouldnt pay it.

My advice would be to buy a GA ticket and go early and get a good place near the front of that section. And if youre going with someone, then buy a Lucky Dip as well, because for only £30 each its worth the extra expense as the chances of an upgrade to that FOS area is pretty decent.



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Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: Adams ()
Date: March 3, 2018 18:35

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Hairball
I recall seeing pics and videos of the masses of people in the GA section - it looked like they were even spilling out to the sides under some trees, etc, but evidently that was considered GA as well.
Oh well, for Lucky Dips you did OK, and in the end it was somewhat of a fun and memorable experience despite the band not being that great! thumbs up

EDIT: Found these pics of Lucca w/ the mobs of people and trees.





( Source: Stones Lucca)


Actually the spots on the side were the best spots in GA area that night.
I think the same distance and perspective from stage as 239 EUR floor tickets in Hamburg. No to mention Hamburg tribunes

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Date: March 3, 2018 18:38

Thank you for your comments. If the price for FoS would be e.g. 3500 CZK I would not complain and buy it. This pricing is difficult.

I also do not think that it justifies the payment. Ot the other hand I am not sure that I can come and stay early enough to be in front of GA.

I'll think of it and decide.

But I wonder why the pricing is done so strangely. I know this is not charity, I know I can look at it that the GA tickets are "too cheap" actually. But here in Eastern Europe we also have less buying power than e.g. in UK. So I am not satisfied with the pricing they chose, given the capacity of the place is 85 000 people. If they charge on average approx 3 000 per ticket and will sell it out, they'll get 255 million CZK, which is 10 milion EUR .... sad smiley



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Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: angee ()
Date: March 3, 2018 18:54

JN99: You wrote, "It was crazy, but fun in a way too, great vibe in the whole city. That part was unlike anything I've experienced elsewhere."

Each show, to me, is unique, with memorable moments in or around the show, and this, on the city of Lucca sounds fantastic. Unlike you, I have decided to invest again. I doubt if I will regret it, except on the financial side.

~"Love is Strong"~

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: March 3, 2018 21:59

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jumpingjackflash5
Thank you for your comments. If the price for FoS would be e.g. 3500 CZK I would not complain and buy it. This pricing is difficult.

I also do not think that it justifies the payment. Ot the other hand I am not sure that I can come and stay early enough to be in front of GA.

I'll think of it and decide.

But I wonder why the pricing is done so strangely. I know this is not charity, I know I can look at it that the GA tickets are "too cheap" actually. But here in Eastern Europe we also have less buying power than e.g. in UK. So I am not satisfied with the pricing they chose, given the capacity of the place is 85 000 people. If they charge on average approx 3 000 per ticket and will sell it out, they'll get 255 million CZK, which is 10 milion EUR .... sad smiley

Because they know that whilst £100 or 3,000 CZK or whatever it may be is a somewhat high but perhaps not unaffordable price to a lot of people, they're also aware that to a section of that audience its an amount thats not very much at all. So they can offer them a 'better' area for double or triple that price and they'll pay it. And if not enough of them do? They'll cut their losses and let a few of those who have paid a lot less money in to fill up the space

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Date: March 3, 2018 22:05

OK, but the prices in 2007 in Brno were much cheaper (but OK it is ten years, inflation, overall shift of concert prices), but most of all the difference between GA and FoS was just 1,5 times.

I think that the promoters should do pricing reasonably, we are their customers and fan, of course it is not charity but should not be casino either.

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: March 4, 2018 00:53

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jumpingjackflash5
OK, but the prices in 2007 in Brno were much cheaper (but OK it is ten years, inflation, overall shift of concert prices), but most of all the difference between GA and FoS was just 1,5 times.

I think that the promoters should do pricing reasonably, we are their customers and fan, of course it is not charity but should not be casino either.

I know, but times change as does the business model. There are some changes from that era that in terms of being fan-friendly decisions that are for the better (Lucky Dip tickets meaning you can see the Stones on this tour for a ticket that costs what everyone was paying in 1995) and others (ridiculously inflated prices for anyone who wants to be down front) that aren't.

Its not solely down to the promoters. The Stones simply ask for a LOT of money per concert and with guaranteed amounts being so high, a promoter is obliged to find ways of generating enough revenue to make the financial risk worthwhile.



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Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: mnewman505 ()
Date: March 4, 2018 00:54

Are people still complaining about ticket prices? Floor seats for No Security in 1999 were $300. If you're shocked by ticket prices you haven't been following this band.

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Date: March 4, 2018 07:46

The promoters will have approx. 10 milion EUR income (not profit) at these prices from Prague, since the venue is large (approx 80 000 people means 80 000 x 3 000 CZK average ticket price = 240 000 000 CZK). Still they did not adujst the prices accordingly eye popping smiley

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Gazza
Quote
jumpingjackflash5
OK, but the prices in 2007 in Brno were much cheaper (but OK it is ten years, inflation, overall shift of concert prices), but most of all the difference between GA and FoS was just 1,5 times.

I think that the promoters should do pricing reasonably, we are their customers and fan, of course it is not charity but should not be casino either.

I know, but times change as does the business model. There are some changes from that era that in terms of being fan-friendly decisions that are for the better (Lucky Dip tickets meaning you can see the Stones on this tour for a ticket that costs what everyone was paying in 1995) and others (ridiculously inflated prices for anyone who wants to be down front) that aren't.

Its not solely down to the promoters. The Stones simply ask for a LOT of money per concert and with guaranteed amounts being so high, a promoter is obliged to find ways of generating enough revenue to make the financial risk worthwhile.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-03-04 07:51 by jumpingjackflash5.

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: bv ()
Date: March 4, 2018 12:04

I paid $300 every night to be on the floor at the three MSG shows in January 1998. It is now 20 years ago so ticket prices have been at a certain level all the time. These three MSG shows cost me more than the flight Oslo-NYC and also the hotel, but having close contact on the B-stage every nightw as all worth it, especially during the special hand delivery of a pick to me by Keith at MSG2.

[iorr.org]

Bjornulf

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Date: March 4, 2018 12:16

Unfortunately, purchasing power in the Czech Republic is half of that in Western Europe. And still it does not justify the big difference between GA and FoS, which did not happen in 2007.

I know that rock concerts are not a charity, but the pricing should be reasonable, at least for common options. If there are some marketing hypes or special prices for extra things, OK, I can buy it or leave it. But the normal ticket prices matter and local promoters should not abuse their monopoly power.



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Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: crumbling_mice ()
Date: March 4, 2018 12:51

At the end of the day it comes down to what each individual can afford or is prepared to afford. I've been lucky enough to see this band on every tour since 76...some average shows, some exceptional shows...no poor shows. So, the only reason I'd go to this tour is through the fear of missing their final show....I've been working on this theory since 82!

It's not just the Stones who are ripping off music fans, all bands do it these days because it has become their main revenue stream due to falling sales of recordings.....so whilst I'm annoyed about it, I accept it's the way of the rock world and sad as it is for those on low incomes...at least there are more opportunities to see live shows digitally....something we never had back in the 70s and 80s....everything now is more accessible...apart from the real thing!


Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Date: March 4, 2018 12:54

I do not complain that much about ticket prices in general, but about the 2,3 times difference between GA and FoS.

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crumbling_mice
At the end of the day it comes down to what each individual can afford or is prepared to afford. I've been lucky enough to see this band on every tour since 76...some average shows, some exceptional shows...no poor shows. So, the only reason I'd go to this tour is through the fear of missing their final show....I've been working on this theory since 82!

It's not just the Stones who are ripping off music fans, all bands do it these days because it has become their main revenue stream due to falling sales of recordings.....so whilst I'm annoyed about it, I accept it's the way of the rock world and sad as it is for those on low incomes...at least there are more opportunities to see live shows digitally....something we never had back in the 70s and 80s....everything now is more accessible...apart from the real thing!



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Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: laughinearlydied ()
Date: March 4, 2018 14:37

it is no longer about wether you can afford it or not, it is about rationality. if I spend the money for the pit, I won't get what I paid for. I will hear all the same songs I've been hearing for ages, probably even at the same order, on a huge stadium filled with a lot of people that do not give a rats ass about the band and are there because it is fashionable and shows your status. I will see closer how Keith is strolling around, not even playing the solos anymore. awesome.

they became a parody of a rock'n roll band. they became a fashion brand with a stale product. and the fact that the @#$%& jeep logo is often almost the same size as the bands logo makes me want to vomit.

they are living so far outside the reality they don't care, or even know. same as some people in this forum.

I mean if you want to go to every show of the band and pay pit every time, go ahead. whatever floats your boat. but you are an extreme case. these prices are not normal and you can try to apologise for it however you want.

and do not me even get started on the scalping.

I love the band, but I really hate this.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2018-03-04 14:38 by laughinearlydied.

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: Eleanor Rigby ()
Date: March 4, 2018 14:41

Quote
bv
I paid $300 every night to be on the floor at the three MSG shows in January 1998. It is now 20 years ago so ticket prices have been at a certain level all the time. These three MSG shows cost me more than the flight Oslo-NYC and also the hotel, but having close contact on the B-stage every nightw as all worth it, especially during the special hand delivery of a pick to me by Keith at MSG2.

[iorr.org]

Well done bv.
I wouldnt be gloating on this thread....

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Date: March 4, 2018 14:46

I would not critise the band. If I were deciding only according to performance quality, I'll choose FoS anytime.

But the pricing this year has negatively surprised me. It has not been like that in Brno 2007.



Quote
laughinearlydied
it is no longer about wether you can afford it or not, it is about rationality. if I spend the money for the pit, I won't get what I paid for. I will hear all the same songs I've been hearing for ages, probably even at the same order, on a huge stadium filled with a lot of people that do not give a rats ass about the band and are there because it is fashionable and shows your status. I will see closer how Keith is strolling around, not even playing the solos anymore. awesome.

they became a parody of a rock'n roll band. they became a fashion brand with a stale product. and the fact that the @#$%& jeep logo is often almost the same size as the bands logo makes me want to vomit.

they are living so far outside the reality they don't care, or even know. same as some people in this forum.

I mean if you want to go to every show of the band and pay pit every time, go ahead. whatever floats your boat. but you are an extreme case. these prices are not normal and you can try to apologise for it however you want.

and do not me even get started on the scalping.

I love the band, but I really hate this.

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: GuessWho ()
Date: March 4, 2018 14:53

Quote
laughinearlydied
it is no longer about wether you can afford it or not, it is about rationality. if I spend the money for the pit, I won't get what I paid for. I will hear all the same songs I've been hearing for ages, probably even at the same order, on a huge stadium filled with a lot of people that do not give a rats ass about the band and are there because it is fashionable and shows your status. I will see closer how Keith is strolling around, not even playing the solos anymore. awesome.

they became a parody of a rock'n roll band. they became a fashion brand with a stale product. and the fact that the @#$%& jeep logo is often almost the same size as the bands logo makes me want to vomit.

they are living so far outside the reality they don't care, or even know. same as some people in this forum.

I mean if you want to go to every show of the band and pay pit every time, go ahead. whatever floats your boat. but you are an extreme case. these prices are not normal and you can try to apologise for it however you want.

and do not me even get started on the scalping.

I love the band, but I really hate this.

Have to agree with this post.

An awful lot of folk who post here are "super" fans who obviously are willing to pay a very high price to see the band.

I am an "average" fan who, whilst I love the band, feel that ticket pricing has got out of control.

If people are willing to pay extreme prices it's their choice.

At least there are LD tickets so if you were quick you could get into the gig at a very reasonable cost.

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: March 4, 2018 16:06

Quote
bv
I paid $300 every night to be on the floor at the three MSG shows in January 1998. It is now 20 years ago so ticket prices have been at a certain level all the time. These three MSG shows cost me more than the flight Oslo-NYC and also the hotel, but having close contact on the B-stage every nightw as all worth it, especially during the special hand delivery of a pick to me by Keith at MSG2.

[iorr.org]

In fairness, the ticket prices on that tour were around $65. Those shows were an exception,

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Date: March 4, 2018 16:32

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Gazza


In fairness, the ticket prices on that tour were around $65. Those shows were an exception,

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: ycagwywpmd ()
Date: March 4, 2018 17:47

Speaking as an 'average' fan, I think it's all relative. I paid £95 for GA at Hyde Park 2013, now got tickets for £130 ea, but seated, for first London stadium show. So, better tickets, 5 years on, a bit more expensive. But this compares quite favourably to a top London theatre ticket, or a good Wimbledon ticket (if I could even get one).

Yeah, my first ticket in'66 was £0.50 (or ten bob as we said then), and I come from a generation that knows what it's like to have no money at all. But having lived in South of England all my life, these are the sort of prices I have to pay for decent entertainment. So I have to pay up or shut up, at least I am very lucky to now have that choice.

My kids say my ticket price is 'not bad', maybe easier to have that viewpoint as I paid for theirs too.........
I just know I am very lucky.

PS I've never had a Ferrari either.........

Re: The ticket prices and other complaints thread
Posted by: JN99 ()
Date: March 4, 2018 20:14

Quote
angee
JN99: You wrote, "It was crazy, but fun in a way too, great vibe in the whole city. That part was unlike anything I've experienced elsewhere."

Each show, to me, is unique, with memorable moments in or around the show, and this, on the city of Lucca sounds fantastic. Unlike you, I have decided to invest again. I doubt if I will regret it, except on the financial side.

Well it seems the pull of this band is still simply too strong for me to ignore. I'm in for a two week trip to the UK and 3 shows now! smiling smiley

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