Quote
stonesnow

Quote
johnnyguitar

Quote
stonesnow
Ah, Gram Parsons. Do you know about Gram's 'cremation ceremony' out in Joshua Tree? A friend of Gram's (Phil Kaufman), per Parson's funeral wishes, stole the body from an airport terminal where it was slated to be shipped home to family, and after getting filthy drunk on the way, set the coffin by the side of the road in Joshua Tree, opened it, poured gasoline over the body, lit it on fire, and drove off and left it there.

Wonder what all the high-minded moralistic self-righteous posters in this thread who find offense to touching Brian's head stone would have to say about that if they knew? It's in the movie Gram Parsons: Fallen Angel (2006).

I have known this story for 30 years, like most other Stones fans. Are you saying you learned of it from a 2006 movie-of-the-week? I'm not sure what to say about that.
Anyway my friend, the Gram story has zero relevancy to the misadventures of Mickijaggeroo at Brian's gravesite. Just for starters, Gram's body was stolen by a friend known to him, who was acting as per Gram's wishes.
Whereas Mickijaggeroo in those photos was acting like an over-jealous fan, who thinks he is entitled to a closeness with Brian that doesn't actually exist. Part of being a fan (and a human being) is knowing what the boundaries are.
Hopefully the next visitors show more respect.

Not sure what the "movie-of-the-week" reference is--sarcasm, perhaps? I could have learned of the story 30 years ago as well, but was never deep enough into Gram Parsons to find out about his life. An acquaintance mentioned the movie a few years back so I obtained a DVD copy. [Does network TV still do that "movie of the week" thing? I thought that TV feature format faded with the 70s.] If you're not sure what to say about that, it's probably because there is nothing to say about that. At any rate, funeral wishes aside, you also know from the film that some in Gram's family were mightily offended by Phil Kaufman's gesture ["You just don't do that... you just don't!"].

Still don't know what ticks you off about the Brian grave site photos. Posing by a grave stone with a hand resting gently atop the marker is grossly offensive, because it violates boundaries, but stealing a dead body prior to a family burial is okay.... well, my friend, I'm not sure what to say about that.... so I'll just go watch another zombie flick and get back to you....

Quote
RollingGnome
Noooo more zombie flicks please god in heaven noooo

Quote
2000 LYFH

Quote
stonesnow

Quote
2000 LYFH

Quote
stonesnow
Can't see the big judgmental moral fuss people are making over the tourists touching ["molesting"?!] the gravestone--it's the head stone, not the dead Stone. Don't see the necrophilia analogy there.

Regarding the Arlington reference, why were those tourists lucky they didn't get shot? They're sitting behind the fenced-off area. Don't see the analogy the poster was trying to make between Arlington National cemetery and the one in Cheltenham UK where Brian is buried. Is Brian's grave a sacred national monument? Is it fenced off? Does it have soldiers guarding it 24-7 3-6-5? No, so chill. At least they weren't sitting there drinking and drugging and spraying graffiti over the headstone like they do to Morrison's grave in Paris.

IMO after looking at these photo's they are paying their respect to BJ!
Their's no doubt about it!

Thanks to the graffiti in the Pere Lachaise in Paris I was able to find Jim's Grave.

They were just wanting to feel a connection, that's all. I'm sure no disrespect was intended, and they obviously left the grave site as neat and intact as they found it. "Feeling up his tombstone"--incredibly weird analogy.

Watch it again - Wasn't the people sitting but the people walking up the steps in the background who did an about face. I was there last year in July (must of been close to 100 out) and some little kid dropped a empty water bottle over the rope and it actually started to roll towards the soldier and everyone (must of been more than 75 people) was just waiting to see what would happen. The soldier ended up going over to a booth where he called someone to retrieve it. Very moving place to visit. JFK grave is close by..

I didn't actually watch that video, I was just commenting on the still photo in the frame of the people sitting there. I didn't bother watching it because I couldn't see the analogy between a military-guarded fenced-in public monument and a run-of-the-mill civilian cemetery in which Brian is buried. You draw analogies to point out similarities, but in that case, there were no similarities to be highlighted.

Ha Ha, I see your point. I actually agree with you about Brian's grave. As long as you are not destroying anything and are respectful, I see nothing wrong with the photos above. In fact, I've see many people in photos over the years posing there (including Pat Andrew's and other people who knew him).

Quote
runaway

Quote
2000 LYFH

Quote
stonesnow

Quote
2000 LYFH

Quote
stonesnow
Can't see the big judgmental moral fuss people are making over the tourists touching ["molesting"?!] the gravestone--it's the head stone, not the dead Stone. Don't see the necrophilia analogy there.

Regarding the Arlington reference, why were those tourists lucky they didn't get shot? They're sitting behind the fenced-off area. Don't see the analogy the poster was trying to make between Arlington National cemetery and the one in Cheltenham UK where Brian is buried. Is Brian's grave a sacred national monument? Is it fenced off? Does it have soldiers guarding it 24-7 3-6-5? No, so chill. At least they weren't sitting there drinking and drugging and spraying graffiti over the headstone like they do to Morrison's grave in Paris.
They were just wanting to feel a connection, that's all. I'm sure no disrespect was intended, and they obviously left the grave site as neat and intact as they found it. "Feeling up his tombstone"--incredibly weird analogy.

Watch it again - Wasn't the people sitting but the people walking up the steps in the background who did an about face. I was there last year in July (must of been close to 100 out) and some little kid dropped a empty water bottle over the rope and it actually started to roll towards the soldier and everyone (must of been more than 75 people) was just waiting to see what would happen. The soldier ended up going over to a booth where he called someone to retrieve it. Very moving place to visit. JFK grave is close by..

I didn't actually watch that video, I was just commenting on the still photo in the frame of the people sitting there. I didn't bother watching it because I couldn't see the analogy between a military-guarded fenced-in public monument and a run-of-the-mill civilian cemetery in which Brian is buried. You draw analogies to point out similarities, but in that case, there were no similarities to be highlighted.

Ha Ha, I see your point. I actually agree with you about Brian's grave. As long as you are not destroying anything and are respectful, I see nothing wrong with the photos above. In fact, I've see many people in photos over the years posing there (including Pat Andrew's and other people who knew him).

Quote
runaway

Quote
runaway

Quote
2000 LYFH

Quote
stonesnow

Quote
2000 LYFH

Quote
stonesnow
Can't see the big judgmental moral fuss people are making over the tourists touching ["molesting"?!] the gravestone--it's the head stone, not the dead Stone. Don't see the necrophilia analogy there.

Regarding the Arlington reference, why were those tourists lucky they didn't get shot? They're sitting behind the fenced-off area. Don't see the analogy the poster was trying to make between Arlington National cemetery and the one in Cheltenham UK where Brian is buried. Is Brian's grave a sacred national monument? Is it fenced off? Does it have soldiers guarding it 24-7 3-6-5? No, so chill. At least they weren't sitting there drinking and drugging and spraying graffiti over the headstone like they do to Morrison's grave in Paris.
They were just wanting to feel a connection, that's all. I'm sure no disrespect was intended, and they obviously left the grave site as neat and intact as they found it. "Feeling up his tombstone"--incredibly weird analogy.

Watch it again - Wasn't the people sitting but the people walking up the steps in the background who did an about face. I was there last year in July (must of been close to 100 out) and some little kid dropped a empty water bottle over the rope and it actually started to roll towards the soldier and everyone (must of been more than 75 people) was just waiting to see what would happen. The soldier ended up going over to a booth where he called someone to retrieve it. Very moving place to visit. JFK grave is close by..

I didn't actually watch that video, I was just commenting on the still photo in the frame of the people sitting there. I didn't bother watching it because I couldn't see the analogy between a military-guarded fenced-in public monument and a run-of-the-mill civilian cemetery in which Brian is buried. You draw analogies to point out similarities, but in that case, there were no similarities to be highlighted.

Ha Ha, I see your point. I actually agree with you about Brian's grave. As long as you are not destroying anything and are respectful, I see nothing wrong with the photos above. In fact, I've see many people in photos over the years posing there (including Pat Andrew's and other people who knew him).

IMO Looking at those photo's, the Stonesvikings are paying their respect to BJ!

When I was Looking for Jim's Grave in Pere Lachaise in Paris the graffity was showing me the way to the next whisky bar "Tombstone".

Quote
2000 LYFH

Quote
runaway

Quote
runaway

Quote
2000 LYFH

Quote
stonesnow

Quote
2000 LYFH

Quote
stonesnow
Can't see the big judgmental moral fuss people are making over the tourists touching ["molesting"?!] the gravestone--it's the head stone, not the dead Stone. Don't see the necrophilia analogy there.

Regarding the Arlington reference, why were those tourists lucky they didn't get shot? They're sitting behind the fenced-off area. Don't see the analogy the poster was trying to make between Arlington National cemetery and the one in Cheltenham UK where Brian is buried. Is Brian's grave a sacred national monument? Is it fenced off? Does it have soldiers guarding it 24-7 3-6-5? No, so chill. At least they weren't sitting there drinking and drugging and spraying graffiti over the headstone like they do to Morrison's grave in Paris.
They were just wanting to feel a connection, that's all. I'm sure no disrespect was intended, and they obviously left the grave site as neat and intact as they found it. "Feeling up his tombstone"--incredibly weird analogy.

Watch it again - Wasn't the people sitting but the people walking up the steps in the background who did an about face. I was there last year in July (must of been close to 100 out) and some little kid dropped a empty water bottle over the rope and it actually started to roll towards the soldier and everyone (must of been more than 75 people) was just waiting to see what would happen. The soldier ended up going over to a booth where he called someone to retrieve it. Very moving place to visit. JFK grave is close by..

I didn't actually watch that video, I was just commenting on the still photo in the frame of the people sitting there. I didn't bother watching it because I couldn't see the analogy between a military-guarded fenced-in public monument and a run-of-the-mill civilian cemetery in which Brian is buried. You draw analogies to point out similarities, but in that case, there were no similarities to be highlighted.

Ha Ha, I see your point. I actually agree with you about Brian's grave. As long as you are not destroying anything and are respectful, I see nothing wrong with the photos above. In fact, I've see many people in photos over the years posing there (including Pat Andrew's and other people who knew him).

IMO Looking at those photo's, the Stonesvikings are paying their respect to BJ!

When I was Looking for Jim's Grave in Pere Lachaise in Paris the graffity was showing me the way to the next whisky bar "Tombstone".

Any pictures of Jim's grave? Now I don't think that's right what the fans do at his grave with all the graffiti and such. What do you think since you were
there?