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johnnyguitar
In my opinion we should let the dead rest in peace.
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johnnyguitar
In my opinion we should let the dead rest in peace.
That's your opinion and here is mine
I think brian would have enjoyed visitors to his grave and people remembering him. Bring him some flowers or a gift and enjoy your visit.
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stonesnow
Can't see the big judgmental moral fuss people are making over the tourists touching ["molesting"?!] the gravestone--it's the head stone, not the dead Stone. Don't see the necrophilia analogy there.
Regarding the Arlington reference, why were those tourists lucky they didn't get shot? They're sitting behind the fenced-off area. Don't see the analogy the poster was trying to make between Arlington National cemetery and the one in Cheltenham UK where Brian is buried. Is Brian's grave a sacred national monument? Is it fenced off? Does it have soldiers guarding it 24-7 3-6-5? No, so chill. At least they weren't sitting there drinking and drugging and spraying graffiti over the headstone like they do to Morrison's grave in Paris.
They were just wanting to feel a connection, that's all. I'm sure no disrespect was intended, and they obviously left the grave site as neat and intact as they found it. "Feeling up his tombstone"--incredibly weird analogy.
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stonesnow
Exactly. It looks as though folks in that photo are quite moved by their visit, and there is nothing disrespectful in their posings. It appears as though they are touching Brian himself through the headstone, resting supportive hands on his departed shoulders.
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stonesnow
Exactly. It looks as though folks in that photo are quite moved by their visit, and there is nothing disrespectful in their posings. It appears as though they are touching Brian himself through the headstone, resting supportive hands on his departed shoulders.
Sorry but this takes the cake!!!
We are all fans but can we please get some perspective on it?
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stonesnow
Exactly. It looks as though folks in that photo are quite moved by their visit, and there is nothing disrespectful in their posings. It appears as though they are touching Brian himself through the headstone, resting supportive hands on his departed shoulders.
Sorry but this takes the cake!!!
We are all fans but can we please get some perspective on it?
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Edith Grove
It's always been my understanding that it is disrespectful to walk over someone's grave.
The actual spot where a person is buried is "sacred" ground in my opinion, and should be respected as much as possible.
I do not see a problem with standing behind a gravesite and laying one's hand on the stone, or to lay flowers, etc. in front of the stone or around the grave in a respectful manner.
It is also my opinion that it would not be disrespectful to post such pictures for all to see, who cannot be there to pay respect to the person who is no longer with us.
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Edith Grove
It's always been my understanding that it is disrespectful to walk over someone's grave.
The actual spot where a person is buried is "sacred" ground in my opinion, and should be respected as much as possible.
I do not see a problem with standing behind a gravesite and laying one's hand on the stone, or to lay flowers, etc. in front of the stone or around the grave in a respectful manner.
It is also my opinion that it would not be disrespectful to post such pictures for all to see, who cannot be there to pay respect to the person who is no longer with us.
I went to Westwood Village Memorial Park Cemetery in LA around 1994 where many famous people are buried (see link) and I'm just walking around and I stop someone who works there and ask - is it all right to view the grave stones? He tells me sure, thousands come to see the grave sites each year and oh by the way, you are standing directly over Frank Zappa's grave (which was un-marked)!
[www.seeing-stars.com]
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RollingGnome
I've been to Hendrix's grave the grass was worn completely off where he lays and booze bottles were all over, someone told me the grass was dead because people pour booze on it...that's not what I'm talking about...to say leave the dead to rest in peace and never visit or bring flowers just seems like the wrong thing to do too...visit bring flowers sing a song...be good.
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stonesnow
think of his grave site as a 'specimen jar'.
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stonesnow
Can't see the big judgmental moral fuss people are making over the tourists touching ["molesting"?!] the gravestone--it's the head stone, not the dead Stone. Don't see the necrophilia analogy there.
Regarding the Arlington reference, why were those tourists lucky they didn't get shot? They're sitting behind the fenced-off area. Don't see the analogy the poster was trying to make between Arlington National cemetery and the one in Cheltenham UK where Brian is buried. Is Brian's grave a sacred national monument? Is it fenced off? Does it have soldiers guarding it 24-7 3-6-5? No, so chill. At least they weren't sitting there drinking and drugging and spraying graffiti over the headstone like they do to Morrison's grave in Paris.
They were just wanting to feel a connection, that's all. I'm sure no disrespect was intended, and they obviously left the grave site as neat and intact as they found it. "Feeling up his tombstone"--incredibly weird analogy.
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stonesnow
Can't see the big judgmental moral fuss people are making over the tourists touching ["molesting"?!] the gravestone--it's the head stone, not the dead Stone. Don't see the necrophilia analogy there.
Regarding the Arlington reference, why were those tourists lucky they didn't get shot? They're sitting behind the fenced-off area. Don't see the analogy the poster was trying to make between Arlington National cemetery and the one in Cheltenham UK where Brian is buried. Is Brian's grave a sacred national monument? Is it fenced off? Does it have soldiers guarding it 24-7 3-6-5? No, so chill. At least they weren't sitting there drinking and drugging and spraying graffiti over the headstone like they do to Morrison's grave in Paris.
They were just wanting to feel a connection, that's all. I'm sure no disrespect was intended, and they obviously left the grave site as neat and intact as they found it. "Feeling up his tombstone"--incredibly weird analogy.
Watch it again - Wasn't the people sitting but the people walking up the steps in the background who did an about face. I was there last year in July (must of been close to 100 out) and some little kid dropped a empty water bottle over the rope and it actually started to roll towards the soldier and everyone (must of been more than 75 people) was just waiting to see what would happen. The soldier ended up going over to a booth where he called someone to retrieve it. Very moving place to visit. JFK grave is close by..
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Can't see the big judgmental moral fuss people are making over the tourists touching ["molesting"?!] the gravestone--it's the head stone, not the dead Stone. Don't see the necrophilia analogy there.
Regarding the Arlington reference, why were those tourists lucky they didn't get shot? They're sitting behind the fenced-off area. Don't see the analogy the poster was trying to make between Arlington National cemetery and the one in Cheltenham UK where Brian is buried. Is Brian's grave a sacred national monument? Is it fenced off? Does it have soldiers guarding it 24-7 3-6-5? No, so chill. At least they weren't sitting there drinking and drugging and spraying graffiti over the headstone like they do to Morrison's grave in Paris.
They were just wanting to feel a connection, that's all. I'm sure no disrespect was intended, and they obviously left the grave site as neat and intact as they found it. "Feeling up his tombstone"--incredibly weird analogy.
Watch it again - Wasn't the people sitting but the people walking up the steps in the background who did an about face. I was there last year in July (must of been close to 100 out) and some little kid dropped a empty water bottle over the rope and it actually started to roll towards the soldier and everyone (must of been more than 75 people) was just waiting to see what would happen. The soldier ended up going over to a booth where he called someone to retrieve it. Very moving place to visit. JFK grave is close by..
I didn't actually watch that video, I was just commenting on the still photo in the frame of the people sitting there. I didn't bother watching it because I couldn't see the analogy between a military-guarded fenced-in public monument and a run-of-the-mill civilian cemetery in which Brian is buried. You draw analogies to point out similarities, but in that case, there were no similarities to be highlighted.
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Edith Grove
Gram parson's site:
I spent about 15 minutes cleaning the dead grass off his marker before I could take this picture:
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stonesnow
Ah, Gram Parsons. Do you know about Gram's 'cremation ceremony' out in Joshua Tree? A friend of Gram's (Phil Kaufman), per Parson's funeral wishes, stole the body from an airport terminal where it was slated to be shipped home to family, and after getting filthy drunk on the way, set the coffin by the side of the road in Joshua Tree, opened it, poured gasoline over the body, lit it on fire, and drove off and left it there.
Wonder what all the high-minded moralistic self-righteous posters in this thread who find offense to touching Brian's head stone would have to say about that if they knew? It's in the movie Gram Parsons: Fallen Angel (2006).
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stonesnow
Ah, Gram Parsons. Do you know about Gram's 'cremation ceremony' out in Joshua Tree? A friend of Gram's (Phil Kaufman), per Parson's funeral wishes, stole the body from an airport terminal where it was slated to be shipped home to family, and after getting filthy drunk on the way, set the coffin by the side of the road in Joshua Tree, opened it, poured gasoline over the body, lit it on fire, and drove off and left it there.
Wonder what all the high-minded moralistic self-righteous posters in this thread who find offense to touching Brian's head stone would have to say about that if they knew? It's in the movie Gram Parsons: Fallen Angel (2006).
I have known this story for 30 years, like most other Stones fans. Are you saying you learned of it from a 2006 movie-of-the-week? I'm not sure what to say about that.
Anyway my friend, the Gram story has zero relevancy to the misadventures of Mickijaggeroo at Brian's gravesite. Just for starters, Gram's body was stolen by a friend known to him, who was acting as per Gram's wishes.
Whereas Mickijaggeroo in those photos was acting like an over-jealous fan, who thinks he is entitled to a closeness with Brian that doesn't actually exist. Part of being a fan (and a human being) is knowing what the boundaries are.
Hopefully the next visitors show more respect.