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Congrats to President Obama. The first African American voted into office TWICE. Four more years to regain what we lost during the Bush years. It is laughable how so many Americans think that within four years our nation could be fixed. Romney campaigned on cutting taxes for the wealthy, increasing military spending (when the Pentagon didn't even see a need for it!), and rolling back Women's health and the country's health. Obama has many faults, but his path is far more sane and reasonable, and will help our country recover. Romney offered either being "severely conservative" to revealing in the debates he would be more moderate. So will the real Mit please stand up? He is toast and his political career is done. Now he can move to the Camens and live a nice comfortable life with his horses.

We have a lot of hard choices and work to do now, and it is time to make some sacrifices and understand that breaking our country took more than 8 years, and it will take longer to fix. And to comment on the usual right wing cliche that Obama raised the deficit? Well hello, wake up call. Per-capita deficit was raised by a greater percentage by Ronald Reagan and George Bush Junior, far more than Obama. And there will be some big revenue savings once the Affordable Health Care act starts saving money. Additionally, a majority of major CEO's as polled in Forbes and other prestigious financial think tanks said that the only sane path is to follow Obama's plan, taxes for the wealthy, cutting the budget, and responsible cuts to the military. This will help balance the budget and will help ease pressure on the Middle Class.
I am neither a Democrat, or a Republican, and would support any candidate that had somewhat reasonable ideas. With Romney all I heard was massive flip flopping on ALL issues, depending on which crowd he was pandering to, and no clear succinct plans on how he would achieve his goals, other than financial smoke and mirrors that he knows so well. Ask his Swiss Banker and tax attorney.

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So you don't think that every American should have access to affordable health care? That health care companies should have the right to refuse health care coverage based on pre-existing conditions? That health care companies can continue to over charge and end a person's health care when they are terminally ill and the health care company determines you are now costing them too much? And how do you get the figure that 68 percent of the country is paying for 32 percent of the population. This is ridiculous. And I think you are conveniently forgetting that The Affordable Health Care Act was modeled after Governor Romney's plan in Massachusetts! And even Romney admitted that he would not throw out The AHCA! Only some provisions. Fine, it is not perfect, but it is a national shame that health care is not universal. I would challenge you to travel, see the world and experience sane health care in countries such as Singapore, England, France, and even a country considered developing, THAILAND, offers universal health care for all citizens. It is time to take back our country's health and out of the hands of corrupt HMOs, such as Kaieser Permanente, and give every American health care that they deserve as a citizen of our country. And another point to consider keef, did you realize that every US Senator and Representative receives life time universal health care insurance? They work for us! And they get better health care than the average American. Something is broken there, and it is time to realize that universal medical care helps our country, and increases economic growth.

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It's exciting.

The puppet on the left finger of the right hand got re-elected and the puppet on the right finger of the right hand didn't.

I could crush a grape.

It's all thanks to Mick.

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Congrats to President Obama. The first African American voted into office TWICE. Four more years to regain what we lost during the Bush years. It is laughable how so many Americans think that within four years our nation could be fixed. Romney campaigned on cutting taxes for the wealthy, increasing military spending (when the Pentagon didn't even see a need for it!), and rolling back Women's health and the country's health. Obama has many faults, but his path is far more sane and reasonable, and will help our country recover. Romney offered either being "severely conservative" to revealing in the debates he would be more moderate. So will the real Mit please stand up? He is toast and his political career is done. Now he can move to the Camens and live a nice comfortable life with his horses.

We have a lot of hard choices and work to do now, and it is time to make some sacrifices and understand that breaking our country took more than 8 years, and it will take longer to fix. And to comment on the usual right wing cliche that Obama raised the deficit? Well hello, wake up call. Per-capita deficit was raised by a greater percentage by Ronald Reagan and George Bush Junior, far more than Obama. And there will be some big revenue savings once the Affordable Health Care act starts saving money. Additionally, a majority of major CEO's as polled in Forbes and other prestigious financial think tanks said that the only sane path is to follow Obama's plan, taxes for the wealthy, cutting the budget, and responsible cuts to the military. This will help balance the budget and will help ease pressure on the Middle Class.
I am neither a Democrat, or a Republican, and would support any candidate that had somewhat reasonable ideas. With Romney all I heard was massive flip flopping on ALL issues, depending on which crowd he was pandering to, and no clear succinct plans on how he would achieve his goals, other than financial smoke and mirrors that he knows so well. Ask his Swiss Banker and tax attorney.

so the american dream is to have the 68% of the population who pays taxes pay for health care for the 32% that do not pay taxes and won't contribute to the health care plan? my job in life is to watch oout for me and my family not every person in america that wants to go to the doctor

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I was kind of interested in a conversation here on IORR a week or so ago about how (I think it was) NORWAY does not allow this to happen.... and it makes them a well off, happy, employed country from pizza maker to banker... but I did not ask a lot of questions about it..... But I liked the idea of a country taking care of its own, and the country does well.

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But sometimes you have to decide to pay for something collectively, as a society, in order to prevent individuals to be struck with something greater or larger than that individual can manage himself. If somebody has a car accident you’d want, as a society, to prevent that his hospital bills will basically ruin the rest of his live.

Look at what happened with the storm over New York last week –it just is truly unbelievable that such a storm can cause so much damage, kill so many people and disturb so many lives in such a rich, highly developed country. But that is basically ‘your’ (‘Americans’) own fault: as a society you have decided not to pay tax to invest in proper infrastructure, in proper roads, in proper power supply, in proper defence systems or water control like dykes and levees.

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I was kind of interested in a conversation here on IORR a week or so ago about how (I think it was) NORWAY does not allow this to happen.... and it makes them a well off, happy, employed country from pizza maker to banker... but I did not ask a lot of questions about it..... But I liked the idea of a country taking care of its own, and the country does well.

Yes, you're pretty right Max, there's lots of economic benefits here for people running a company that otherwise wouldn't pay off, due to competition from bigger, international organisations. If it wasn't for that....everybody would have deserted the northern parts, for example, and moved to Oslo - and we'd purchase everything from Asia instead of making it ourselves. So if you for instance have the guts to start a farm here, the state will pay you just for trying, and the bank will loan you money with very low interest fee. Wonder how lazy people here would have been if not for regulations or benefits.....nothing would have paid off, for the common man, anyway, since everything here's so damn expensive, incl hired labour. So we'd be buying everything from other countries, and only people working with marketing, share finance, and other things that not really "useful" for the society, etc would "make it" financially

Oh and congrats with the election to US

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But sometimes you have to decide to pay for something collectively, as a society, in order to prevent individuals to be struck with something greater or larger than that individual can manage himself. If somebody has a car accident you’d want, as a society, to prevent that his hospital bills will basically ruin the rest of his live.

Look at what happened with the storm over New York last week –it just is truly unbelievable that such a storm can cause so much damage, kill so many people and disturb so many lives in such a rich, highly developed country. But that is basically ‘your’ (‘Americans’) own fault: as a society you have decided not to pay tax to invest in proper infrastructure, in proper roads, in proper power supply, in proper defence systems or water control like dykes and levees.

Mathijs

Mathijs, forget it.

I work for Americans and I know generally they can't grasp the idea of a society.

They think Sweden is a communist country for instance.

If you can't exploit the system in America you're dead meat and apparently it's your own fault.

Socialism is an attempt to fight back against people at the top who created and own the system and exploit everyone else.

The American system is about hogging as much as you can for yourself and damn everyone else.

It's not a dream it's a nightmare.

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Congrats to President Obama. The first African American voted into office TWICE. Four more years to regain what we lost during the Bush years. It is laughable how so many Americans think that within four years our nation could be fixed. Romney campaigned on cutting taxes for the wealthy, increasing military spending (when the Pentagon didn't even see a need for it!), and rolling back Women's health and the country's health. Obama has many faults, but his path is far more sane and reasonable, and will help our country recover. Romney offered either being "severely conservative" to revealing in the debates he would be more moderate. So will the real Mit please stand up? He is toast and his political career is done. Now he can move to the Camens and live a nice comfortable life with his horses.

We have a lot of hard choices and work to do now, and it is time to make some sacrifices and understand that breaking our country took more than 8 years, and it will take longer to fix. And to comment on the usual right wing cliche that Obama raised the deficit? Well hello, wake up call. Per-capita deficit was raised by a greater percentage by Ronald Reagan and George Bush Junior, far more than Obama. And there will be some big revenue savings once the Affordable Health Care act starts saving money. Additionally, a majority of major CEO's as polled in Forbes and other prestigious financial think tanks said that the only sane path is to follow Obama's plan, taxes for the wealthy, cutting the budget, and responsible cuts to the military. This will help balance the budget and will help ease pressure on the Middle Class.
I am neither a Democrat, or a Republican, and would support any candidate that had somewhat reasonable ideas. With Romney all I heard was massive flip flopping on ALL issues, depending on which crowd he was pandering to, and no clear succinct plans on how he would achieve his goals, other than financial smoke and mirrors that he knows so well. Ask his Swiss Banker and tax attorney.

so the american dream is to have the 68% of the population who pays taxes pay for health care for the 32% that do not pay taxes and won't contribute to the health care plan? my job in life is to watch oout for me and my family not every person in america that wants to go to the doctor

But sometimes you have to decide to pay for something collectively, as a society, in order to prevent individuals to be struck with something greater or larger than that individual can manage himself. If somebody has a car accident you’d want, as a society, to prevent that his hospital bills will basically ruin the rest of his live.

Look at what happened with the storm over New York last week –it just is truly unbelievable that such a storm can cause so much damage, kill so many people and disturb so many lives in such a rich, highly developed country. But that is basically ‘your’ (‘Americans’) own fault: as a society you have decided not to pay tax to invest in proper infrastructure, in proper roads, in proper power supply, in proper defence systems or water control like dykes and levees.

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Yes.. let's get back to whining.

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Congrats to President Obama. The first African American voted into office TWICE. Four more years to regain what we lost during the Bush years. It is laughable how so many Americans think that within four years our nation could be fixed. Romney campaigned on cutting taxes for the wealthy, increasing military spending (when the Pentagon didn't even see a need for it!), and rolling back Women's health and the country's health. Obama has many faults, but his path is far more sane and reasonable, and will help our country recover. Romney offered either being "severely conservative" to revealing in the debates he would be more moderate. So will the real Mit please stand up? He is toast and his political career is done. Now he can move to the Camens and live a nice comfortable life with his horses.

We have a lot of hard choices and work to do now, and it is time to make some sacrifices and understand that breaking our country took more than 8 years, and it will take longer to fix. And to comment on the usual right wing cliche that Obama raised the deficit? Well hello, wake up call. Per-capita deficit was raised by a greater percentage by Ronald Reagan and George Bush Junior, far more than Obama. And there will be some big revenue savings once the Affordable Health Care act starts saving money. Additionally, a majority of major CEO's as polled in Forbes and other prestigious financial think tanks said that the only sane path is to follow Obama's plan, taxes for the wealthy, cutting the budget, and responsible cuts to the military. This will help balance the budget and will help ease pressure on the Middle Class.
I am neither a Democrat, or a Republican, and would support any candidate that had somewhat reasonable ideas. With Romney all I heard was massive flip flopping on ALL issues, depending on which crowd he was pandering to, and no clear succinct plans on how he would achieve his goals, other than financial smoke and mirrors that he knows so well. Ask his Swiss Banker and tax attorney.

so the american dream is to have the 68% of the population who pays taxes pay for health care for the 32% that do not pay taxes and won't contribute to the health care plan? my job in life is to watch oout for me and my family not every person in america that wants to go to the doctor

But sometimes you have to decide to pay for something collectively, as a society, in order to prevent individuals to be struck with something greater or larger than that individual can manage himself. If somebody has a car accident you’d want, as a society, to prevent that his hospital bills will basically ruin the rest of his live.

Look at what happened with the storm over New York last week –it just is truly unbelievable that such a storm can cause so much damage, kill so many people and disturb so many lives in such a rich, highly developed country. But that is basically ‘your’ (‘Americans’) own fault: as a society you have decided not to pay tax to invest in proper infrastructure, in proper roads, in proper power supply, in proper defence systems or water control like dykes and levees.

Mathijs

what are you even talking about? nothing about healthcare was voted on by the american people.

also you want dykes and levees for hundreds of miles of beach at the atlantic ocean or sink money into some system just in caser every few decades it rains 10+ inches in new york city? thats the most insane thing i've ever heard. where do you live? in some freak of nature it might snow 7 feet there in 1 day, is your area prepared for that?

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It's exciting.

The puppet on the left finger of the right hand got re-elected and the puppet on the right finger of the right hand didn't.

I could crush a grape.

It's all thanks to Mick.

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I was kind of interested in a conversation here on IORR a week or so ago about how (I think it was) NORWAY does not allow this to happen.... and it makes them a well off, happy, employed country from pizza maker to banker... but I did not ask a lot of questions about it..... But I liked the idea of a country taking care of its own, and the country does well.

Yes, you're pretty right Max, there's lots of economic benefits here for people running a company that otherwise wouldn't pay off, due to competition from bigger, international organisations. If it wasn't for that....everybody would have deserted the northern parts, for example, and moved to Oslo - and we'd purchase everything from Asia instead of making it ourselves. So if you for instance have the guts to start a farm here, the state will pay you just for trying, and the bank will loan you money with very low interest fee. Wonder how lazy people here would have been if not for regulations or benefits.....nothing would have paid off, for the common man, anyway, since everything here's so damn expensive, incl hired labour. So we'd be buying everything from other countries, and only people working with marketing, share finance, and other things that not really "useful" for the society, etc would "make it" financially

Oh and congrats with the election to US

Thank you for filling in some details,
I respect very much how well your country has done.

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@ EdithGrove:
I do not want to offend you, but to me it seems that there is no other world than the notorious God Bless America. Perhaps you know a little bit more because you are communicating within this forum and yes there are countries accross the Atlantic Ocean and Pacific who have done a much better job since World War II.

Don't get me wrong I travelled accross the US and CAN quite extensively and I love it and my monthly snowboarding in Western Canada is just great. But to see a country and its middle class people going down the drain and as result of these multi billionaire republicats the infrastructure is worse than in most third world country.

It is very hard for a leading country and its citizens to understand that other countries have also very good legal action and democratic systems which surpass the US by far. Look at your voting system which is ancient as the Creek Myth.

I do not want to say that Obama is the best president, but one must admit that he was the least choice to surpass the years to come. What gets me is that the US is getting more and more diveded and left and expecially right wing groups tend to break any democratic rule. This is the most dangerous part.

Anyway I wish all citizens of the US all the best, but stop your homeland security and let Europeans come for visits and don't treat them at customs like criminals.
Once again I do not want to offend anybody, but travelling a lot of countries I take the permission also to judge a little bit the situation of other countres than where I am residing at the moment.

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The country is doing well because of oil and natural gas, not socialism.

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But sometimes you have to decide to pay for something collectively, as a society, in order to prevent individuals to be struck with something greater or larger than that individual can manage himself. If somebody has a car accident you’d want, as a society, to prevent that his hospital bills will basically ruin the rest of his live.

Look at what happened with the storm over New York last week –it just is truly unbelievable that such a storm can cause so much damage, kill so many people and disturb so many lives in such a rich, highly developed country. But that is basically ‘your’ (‘Americans’) own fault: as a society you have decided not to pay tax to invest in proper infrastructure, in proper roads, in proper power supply, in proper defence systems or water control like dykes and levees.

Mathijs

Mathijs, forget it.

I work for Americans and I know generally they can't grasp the idea of a society.

They think Sweden is a communist country for instance.

If you can't exploit the system in America you're dead meat and apparently it's your own fault.

Socialism is an attempt to fight back against people at the top who created and own the system and exploit everyone else.

The American system is about hogging as much as you can for yourself and damn everyone else.

It's not a dream it's a nightmare.

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Ole Mitch still has not conceded... no phone call.... no concession.


poor Mitch... oh well.. at least he is still rich and he
can now get back to his business of shipping jobs to China.

congrats on believing the mud slinging campaign. most of the companys romney helped outsource to china were already looking to send the jobs overseas and then hired bain capital to help maximize their profits from outsourcing. basically romney most of the time was brought in as a facilitator and was not the person who pushed for the outsourcing to begin with

I wasnt sold on mud slinging, I saw it happen right here. They bought out the company and shipped the shipped all to China... but nice try to say it not so.

my department in bank of america was outsourced to HP last year. i know all about outsourcing and deals under the table. pretty obvious if he bought out a company then the company was looking to move the work force already. you can say there was never a hint that the company wanted to let go of the work force but i was notified feb. 2011 that we were being outsourced in april 2011 and we later found out the deal went down almost a year prior to that

What we need in this country is an attitude similar on some things like they have in China, for instance where they focus on what is good for China the country first, then on what ios good for a couple of scumbag business people.

The whole concept of shipping American, middle class jobs to China and then using slave type labor over there to make crap cheap is a bad idea.