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Re: MOGADOR informations
Date: October 31, 2012 05:52

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vermontoffender
Thanks to bv for all of his hard work. It must be incredibly frustrating at times to create an environment like this and see it populated by whiners and people who stopped liking the band anywhere between 40 years ago and right now.

There is a vast expanse between valid, artistic, criticism and the incredibly pathetic whining that goes on so often here.

The Stones are active again and most off the people at IORR are royally pi$$ed about it.

Sad.

Put me down as a fan that is happy, (very happy) that they are "active" once again.

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: drbryant ()
Date: October 31, 2012 10:00

I don't have anything against the band playing private shows. In many ways, it's somehow suitable for the digital age. It recalls the days of the Troubador, going from town to town, playing for his living. Handel would have never written Water Music if he wasn't being paid by King Whatever the Whatever to prepare a performance on barges floating past his majesty. Remember that old interview when Dylan, asked whether he was a poet or a musician, replied "I'm a song and dance man". That's what the Stones are, and that's what musical performance has long been about. The sale of recorded music is actually something new.

Re: MOGADOR informations
Date: October 31, 2012 10:16

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stonesnow
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DandelionPowderman
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stonesnow
A review from the Rocker Paris blogspot, who were apparently the only ones allowed to photograph the show at Mogador:

The theatre was full tonight (all 3 levels) with numbered seat downstairs and 1st balcony then reserved for the rest. So I guess it was sold-out in this 1600 capacity theatre. Not sure if there was anyone on the top balcony. Haven't checked.

Security was tight, to get in and during the show, impossible to take pics, except for our photographer, Patrice Guino, but he's the Man.

The band is on top form starting with It's Only Rock n Roll, no one seems to know the next song All Down The Line from where we were but downstairs down the front it was rocking with musicians from American-French band Moriarty, they could easily get tix tonight as the bass player in the band is the son of M Carmignac who introduced the band on stage.

During Miss You Mick Jagger had a few problems with his ear monitor and had it fixed by a roadie on the side of the stage: he was furious. So he had an extra guitar solo by Ronnie and of course a groovy bass solo by Darryl.

Once again Mick pushed Ronnie several times on the front of the stage.

Keith Richards' playing is kept to a minimum which is very worrying. Ronnie is now holding the house together taking all the lead.

Bernard Fowler is back with The Stones (he rehearsed with them for the first time one day after the Trabendo October 26, setlist to come shortly for the completists). Jagger is playing guitar on Doom & Gloom.

The not so funny bit was when Mick Jagger talked about a letter M Carmignac sent to French President Francois Hollande (probably complaining about taxing the rich a bit more) and Mick laughed with all those bankers saying that "he never read (or heard of any of) Hollande's reply".

As soon as the name of Hollande was heard everybody booed.

He also asked if Hollande has been invited to the gig! With the audience laughing!

It really shows what a c*nt Mick Jagger has become: a rich laughing with the rich.

No surprise that he's charging his fans so much for London & Newark, disrespectful for the working class who have bought and are buying his records. What a f*cking shame!

The biggest Rock n Roll band playing & laughing with bankers and brokers!!! So sad!

Anyway enough of politics it was a great show!!! Glad we could make it.

75 min set (?)

Setlist
1. It's Only Rock n Roll
2. All Down The Line
3. You Got Me Rocking
4. Tumbling Dice
5. Miss You
6. You Can't Always Get What You Want
7. Doom And Gloom
8. Midnight Rambler
9. Start Me Up
10. Honky Tonk Women
11. Jumping Jack Flash
12. Brown Sugar

rockerparis.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-rolling-stones-theatre-mogador.html

Thanks! But didn't Keith play the lead on IORR and You Got Me Rocking?

Many of the other songs are in open G, so that might be the reason for Ronnie taking most of the leads yesterday.

Unless a recording is made available to YouTube or somewhere, we will have no way of knowing. However, the reviewer did mention specifically that Ronnie was handling all the lead parts in that particular show.

That is already confirmed as wrong, as Keith was playing the HTW-lead fine. I suspect he did IORR and YGMR as well.

AND, as Justin say, the distinction between lead and rhythm guitar in the Stones is very different than in other bands - because Keith's riffs are so dominant, and because of his loose style (+ the weaving). That's why I love them so much - they sound like no other band thumbs up



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-31 10:20 by DandelionPowderman.

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: otonneau ()
Date: October 31, 2012 10:23

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drbryant
I don't have anything against the band playing private shows. In many ways, it's somehow suitable for the digital age. It recalls the days of the Troubador, going from town to town, playing for his living. Handel would have never written Water Music if he wasn't being paid by King Whatever the Whatever to prepare a performance on barges floating past his majesty. Remember that old interview when Dylan, asked whether he was a poet or a musician, replied "I'm a song and dance man". That's what the Stones are, and that's what musical performance has long been about. The sale of recorded music is actually something new.

Well, I'll try to not spout the leftist stuff that gets on everyone's nerves but I disagree. Firstly, I think the comparison with Handel is not accurate because a king is not the same thing as an investment fund. Besides, a lot of composers thought hard to be free-lance and not subject to the whims of their masters - Bach whose compositions were deemed "too operatic" for the church, Mozart who was kicked in the bum by some aristocrat, Haydn who had to wear the servant's dress at the court of the Esterhazy. Beethoven was the first to - moderately - succeed.

The big difference between then and now is that there is a mass market, so that pop artists can also make money from us (provided they take a little money from many of us rather than a lot of money from a few). I say "pop artists" because if you do conceptual art then there is no such market.

Secondly, one thing is to do the concert and another is the attitude at the concert. There IS something strange in seeing Jagger congratulate a banquer on the nice words that the queen said about him. Don't you think? Anybody remembers Their Satanic Majesties Request? The Rolling Stones made their fame by being anti-establishment and that's a fact; and it is still THAT fame that they are now selling to the establishment which, however you look at it, is bizarre and, to me, unpleasant.

Sure, the anti-establishment pose was a kind of pose from the start and the Stones have confessed it since a while: the Beatles wore the white hat, we took the black, etc. But it was their pose and if they take the reverse pose, they are not the same act. The ice-cold irony of Salt of the Earth is now their straight-forward belief, and Street Fighting Man is now the ironical song: please let's not wake up sleepy London town, for that's where the bankers dream sweet dreams.

Already in 95, a French rapper said in an interview that he liked some sounds from the Stones but they represented nothing but the establishment. I thought he was wrong because although the Stones represented nothing ACTUAL, they still were a sort of commemorative act: remember the sixties, like watching a documentary on TV. But now they have rewritten their past. They have made the story uninteresting and even depressing and I am reminded of a Clash song: "He who fu*ks nuns will later join the church" (Death or glory).

Anyway... that's the tear-eyed leftist's feelings for you.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-31 10:27 by otonneau.

Re: MOGADOR informations
Date: October 31, 2012 11:18

I have two minor thoughts:
Keith's involvement, at Trabendo gig at least, was not kept to a minimum. How many times during last tours have I seen posts saying "I wish Keith would knuckle down on straight rhythm like he did in '72". And it looks like this is what he is doing. All; songs I heard from Trabendo have him holding it down pretty solid.

My other question is that it says Mogador is the first time Bernard has worked with the Stones again. Who was doing all those BU vox in Trabendo show?

Re: MOGADOR informations
Date: October 31, 2012 11:24

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Palace Revolution 2000
I have two minor thoughts:
Keith's involvement, at Trabendo gig at least, was not kept to a minimum. How many times during last tours have I seen posts saying "I wish Keith would knuckle down on straight rhythm like he did in '72". And it looks like this is what he is doing. All; songs I heard from Trabendo have him holding it down pretty solid.

My other question is that it says Mogador is the first time Bernard has worked with the Stones again. Who was doing all those BU vox in Trabendo show?

Chuck and Darryl were both doing the BU-vox.

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Justin ()
Date: October 31, 2012 20:49

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Palace Revolution 2000
How many times during last tours have I seen posts saying "I wish Keith would knuckle down on straight rhythm like he did in '72". And it looks like this is what he is doing..

Yup. We can't really have it both ways. Keith's demeanor from what I can see in these videos is very low-key..much like how he was on stage in the 70's. Kept to himself, hardly looked at the crowd, head down and kept his eyes on the guitar. We've all crapped on him for all the posing he's done throughout the years and so now here he is actually playing the guitar and people want the posing again?

Re: Mogador secret club show reports
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: October 31, 2012 20:56



Oh and those who still can't believe their luck for being in the front at the Trabendo beg to differ, he looked at the crowd pretty often, including straight in the eye a few times, a fascinating experience. Not sure what would have happened to anyone calling him on his playing at that very moment, that rocker dude would possibly have missed the Mogador show ;-)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-31 20:57 by gotdablouse.

Re: Mogador secret club show reports
Date: October 31, 2012 21:20

Hey Olivier. Nice to see you in this forum again. I think it's been awhile.

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: October 31, 2012 21:23

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Palace Revolution 2000
I have two minor thoughts:
Keith's involvement, at Trabendo gig at least, was not kept to a minimum. How many times during last tours have I seen posts saying "I wish Keith would knuckle down on straight rhythm like he did in '72". And it looks like this is what he is doing. All; songs I heard from Trabendo have him holding it down pretty solid.

My other question is that it says Mogador is the first time Bernard has worked with the Stones again. Who was doing all those BU vox in Trabendo show?

Chuck and/or Darryl, I think?

Very good point re: the playing over posing argument, by the way.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-31 21:55 by Gazza.

Re: Mogador secret club show reports
Posted by: martin0113 ()
Date: October 31, 2012 21:30

100 CLUB LONDON SHOW ON THE CARDS

Re: Mogador secret club show reports
Posted by: Gazza ()
Date: October 31, 2012 21:32

great first post!

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: andrea66 ()
Date: October 31, 2012 21:47

This has really noting to do with the fact that you were born in ussr. European socialism and european socialist politicians, including hollande, have nothing to do with ussr. Please, let's talk about music, let's leave Picasso in peace and let's wAit for the NeXT stones concert.

Re: Mogador secret club show reports
Posted by: andrea66 ()
Date: October 31, 2012 21:49

And also, hate to' say that, Mick 's words about hollande Are pathetic..

Re: Mogador secret club show reports
Posted by: crumbling_mice ()
Date: October 31, 2012 22:39

I've always found these corporate mini gigs very distasteful, but very Jagger. What surprises me is that Keith goes along with it even though in interviews he expresses his personal dislike of such prostitution. As BV said, they have been doing it for many tours, but I think this time is really hurts simply because as it stands it looks as though it is not going to be a full World tour and therefore proportionally these corporate gigs essentially rob us of an extra gig.

As regards the reviews, I'm pleased to see Keith seems to be concentrating on playing guitar as opposed to posturing and noodling. Without hearing it personally I won't judge if his playing is good or bad, it seemed ok on the clips.

These are early days and we don't know where it's all going so I guess we should just be happy they are playing and hope that things go well and inspire as many dates as possible. Shame for us in Europe that we will miss out on the pay per view gig. Still holding out for Glastonbury!


Re: Mogador secret club show reports
Posted by: otonneau ()
Date: November 1, 2012 00:05

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Richard from Canada
Hey Olivier. Nice to see you in this forum again. I think it's been awhile.

Hey Richard, we're the old guard! I still read occasionnally but what more is there to say about the Stones? I have not much to contribute, although obviously the new tour draws my attention - only to irritate me I'm afraid, so that i just spout leftwing propaganda that gets deleted, heh!

It's a funny impression when one stops being a hardcore fan - which has happened to me, I guess, around 2003. When I hear a lot of boots I used to love I can't even remember how I could enjoy them - from 69 to 2012. The signs of the decline in the love: I prefer Still Life to Hampton, cannot stand LA 75, sometimes give Brussels a spin, never listen to L&G... and often listen to my personal best of which, apart from a few "deep cuts", is more or less the official greatest hits! I think when you're a fan, you are so deep in the "logic" of the band that everything is interesting, even a sloppy show, because it's an aspect of something you are really interested in for itself, as an entity, not as a sum of songs. When that stops, the number of songs one returns to is surprisingly small.

Anyway, are you going to the show? If so, enjoy!

Re: Mogador secret club show reports
Posted by: Justin ()
Date: November 1, 2012 00:08

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gotdablouse
he looked at the crowd pretty often, including straight in the eye a few times, a fascinating experience.

Good to hear! I'm sure there was a lot of stuff to catch being that close to these guys. Must have been a great time.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-11-01 00:27 by Justin.

Re: Mogador secret club show reports
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: November 1, 2012 00:20

Yeah it's riveting, you see see all the interaction between them, the cues, you see the bodyguards in the wings scanning the crowd, well that was Keith's and Ronnie's and a couple of other ones, Mick's was in front of the pit for some quick action if required. You see Chuck's jovial demeanor, it really makes you understand why they like and need the guy. Mick looking in the distance and then taking some quick glances at the morons shouting at him 2 feet away...and checking out what needs to be checked out, Mick being Mick ;-) Keith strolling around and looking you straight in the eye, winking too. A lot to take in obviously. It's hard to remember to look at Charlie in fact. A once in a lifetime opportunity as they say and it really feels like it in this case, which is a bit heartbreaking...



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Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: buffalo7478 ()
Date: November 1, 2012 02:40

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Justin
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Palace Revolution 2000
How many times during last tours have I seen posts saying "I wish Keith would knuckle down on straight rhythm like he did in '72". And it looks like this is what he is doing..

Yup. We can't really have it both ways. Keith's demeanor from what I can see in these videos is very low-key..much like how he was on stage in the 70's. Kept to himself, hardly looked at the crowd, head down and kept his eyes on the guitar. We've all crapped on him for all the posing he's done throughout the years and so now here he is actually playing the guitar and people want the posing again?

I would be thrilled if Keith stuck to rhythm. He and Chuck Berry might be the two best rhythm players ever. Let Ronnie solo....or bring back Taylor to solo. Keith is not a soloist...but he can drive a song thru rhythm like few have ever been able to do.

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: arthritis ()
Date: November 1, 2012 04:04

I'm definately looking forward to more hq youtube videos if/when they become available of these 2012 shows. I agree keith should stick to rhythm, especially after watching sympathy for the devil in shine a light. It made me physically uncomfortable. But i'm glad they're still alive and trying, and even if the songs are molasses slow, integral guitar parts are omitted, and the shows devolve into the stones staring at each other like deer in headlights while keith zones out and decides to invent new keys and chords to play in on the spot, it'll still be interesting and in it's own way entertaining. I don't want to see them fail. But if they fail, i won't think any less of all the tunes they've written that i love, and at least for me it won't tarnish their legacy. It'll be more of a case where i'm just suprised they lived as long as they did.

Re: MOGADOR informations
Date: November 1, 2012 10:47

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arthritis
I'm definately looking forward to more hq youtube videos if/when they become available of these 2012 shows. I agree keith should stick to rhythm, especially after watching sympathy for the devil in shine a light. It made me physically uncomfortable. But i'm glad they're still alive and trying, and even if the songs are molasses slow, integral guitar parts are omitted, and the shows devolve into the stones staring at each other like deer in headlights while keith zones out and decides to invent new keys and chords to play in on the spot, it'll still be interesting and in it's own way entertaining. I don't want to see them fail. But if they fail, i won't think any less of all the tunes they've written that i love, and at least for me it won't tarnish their legacy. It'll be more of a case where i'm just suprised they lived as long as they did.

Now, after you've watched the clip of When The Whip Comes Down, you clearly can see an improvement from SAL, right?

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: arthritis ()
Date: November 1, 2012 14:16

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DandelionPowderman
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arthritis
I'm definately looking forward to more hq youtube videos if/when they become available of these 2012 shows. I agree keith should stick to rhythm, especially after watching sympathy for the devil in shine a light. It made me physically uncomfortable. But i'm glad they're still alive and trying, and even if the songs are molasses slow, integral guitar parts are omitted, and the shows devolve into the stones staring at each other like deer in headlights while keith zones out and decides to invent new keys and chords to play in on the spot, it'll still be interesting and in it's own way entertaining. I don't want to see them fail. But if they fail, i won't think any less of all the tunes they've written that i love, and at least for me it won't tarnish their legacy. It'll be more of a case where i'm just suprised they lived as long as they did.

Now, after you've watched the clip of When The Whip Comes Down, you clearly can see an improvement from SAL, right?

It's hard for me to judge the 2012 stones on that when the whip comes down clip, because you basically have 3 guitars playing only 2 chords through most of that song.

Re: MOGADOR informations
Date: November 1, 2012 14:50

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arthritis
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DandelionPowderman
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arthritis
I'm definately looking forward to more hq youtube videos if/when they become available of these 2012 shows. I agree keith should stick to rhythm, especially after watching sympathy for the devil in shine a light. It made me physically uncomfortable. But i'm glad they're still alive and trying, and even if the songs are molasses slow, integral guitar parts are omitted, and the shows devolve into the stones staring at each other like deer in headlights while keith zones out and decides to invent new keys and chords to play in on the spot, it'll still be interesting and in it's own way entertaining. I don't want to see them fail. But if they fail, i won't think any less of all the tunes they've written that i love, and at least for me it won't tarnish their legacy. It'll be more of a case where i'm just suprised they lived as long as they did.

Now, after you've watched the clip of When The Whip Comes Down, you clearly can see an improvement from SAL, right?

It's hard for me to judge the 2012 stones on that when the whip comes down clip, because you basically have 3 guitars playing only 2 chords through most of that song.

SFTD has 4 chords, just as Whip has grinning smiley

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: arthritis ()
Date: November 1, 2012 15:05

I said "most" of the song is two cords. Varying between a&d. Also, mick is strumming a guitar on whip, and i can't see anybody's fingers. Mick's playing helps conceal keith, and mick ain't playing on sftd. Which as a halfass guitar player myself is the main reason i want to see them play on video in 2012. To see their fingers play guitar, not watch mick mime throwing confetti.

Re: MOGADOR informations
Date: November 1, 2012 15:26

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arthritis
I said "most" of the song is two cords. Varying between a&d. Also, mick is strumming a guitar on whip, and i can't see anybody's fingers. Mick's playing helps conceal keith, and mick ain't playing on sftd. Which as a halfass guitar player myself is the main reason i want to see them play on video in 2012. To see their fingers play guitar, not watch mick mime throwing confetti.

I can reassure you that Keith is playing fine on Whip, being quite active there grinning smiley

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: micwer ()
Date: November 1, 2012 20:13

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otonneau
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drbryant
I don't have anything against the band playing private shows. In many ways, it's somehow suitable for the digital age. It recalls the days of the Troubador, going from town to town, playing for his living. Handel would have never written Water Music if he wasn't being paid by King Whatever the Whatever to prepare a performance on barges floating past his majesty. Remember that old interview when Dylan, asked whether he was a poet or a musician, replied "I'm a song and dance man". That's what the Stones are, and that's what musical performance has long been about. The sale of recorded music is actually something new.

Well, I'll try to not spout the leftist stuff that gets on everyone's nerves but I disagree. Firstly, I think the comparison with Handel is not accurate because a king is not the same thing as an investment fund. Besides, a lot of composers thought hard to be free-lance and not subject to the whims of their masters - Bach whose compositions were deemed "too operatic" for the church, Mozart who was kicked in the bum by some aristocrat, Haydn who had to wear the servant's dress at the court of the Esterhazy. Beethoven was the first to - moderately - succeed.

The big difference between then and now is that there is a mass market, so that pop artists can also make money from us (provided they take a little money from many of us rather than a lot of money from a few). I say "pop artists" because if you do conceptual art then there is no such market.

Secondly, one thing is to do the concert and another is the attitude at the concert. There IS something strange in seeing Jagger congratulate a banquer on the nice words that the queen said about him. Don't you think? Anybody remembers Their Satanic Majesties Request? The Rolling Stones made their fame by being anti-establishment and that's a fact; and it is still THAT fame that they are now selling to the establishment which, however you look at it, is bizarre and, to me, unpleasant.

Sure, the anti-establishment pose was a kind of pose from the start and the Stones have confessed it since a while: the Beatles wore the white hat, we took the black, etc. But it was their pose and if they take the reverse pose, they are not the same act. The ice-cold irony of Salt of the Earth is now their straight-forward belief, and Street Fighting Man is now the ironical song: please let's not wake up sleepy London town, for that's where the bankers dream sweet dreams.

Already in 95, a French rapper said in an interview that he liked some sounds from the Stones but they represented nothing but the establishment. I thought he was wrong because although the Stones represented nothing ACTUAL, they still were a sort of commemorative act: remember the sixties, like watching a documentary on TV. But now they have rewritten their past. They have made the story uninteresting and even depressing and I am reminded of a Clash song: "He who fu*ks nuns will later join the church" (Death or glory).

Anyway... that's the tear-eyed leftist's feelings for you.

My thoughts indeed...

"Lets think of the wavering millions
Who need leaders but get gamblers instead"

Re: Mogador secret club show reports
Posted by: Stoneage ()
Date: November 1, 2012 21:59

I wonder if Commander Jagger recieved any tax dodging tips from those French bankers. Maybe they should change the name of the tour to "50 Years of Accounting"? Just thinking...

Re: Mogador secret club show reports
Posted by: Woz ()
Date: November 1, 2012 22:05

I hope he did.

Re: Mogador secret club show reports
Posted by: micwer ()
Date: November 2, 2012 01:01

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Stoneage
I wonder if Commander Jagger recieved any tax dodging tips from those French bankers. Maybe they should change the name of the tour to "50 Years of Accounting"? Just thinking...

He should ask Bono instead.

Re: Mogador secret club show reports
Posted by: Green Lady ()
Date: November 2, 2012 02:14

Counting the takings from the 1492 tour:


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