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vermontoffender
Thanks to bv for all of his hard work. It must be incredibly frustrating at times to create an environment like this and see it populated by whiners and people who stopped liking the band anywhere between 40 years ago and right now.
There is a vast expanse between valid, artistic, criticism and the incredibly pathetic whining that goes on so often here.
The Stones are active again and most off the people at IORR are royally pi$$ed about it.
Sad.
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A review from the Rocker Paris blogspot, who were apparently the only ones allowed to photograph the show at Mogador:
The theatre was full tonight (all 3 levels) with numbered seat downstairs and 1st balcony then reserved for the rest. So I guess it was sold-out in this 1600 capacity theatre. Not sure if there was anyone on the top balcony. Haven't checked.
Security was tight, to get in and during the show, impossible to take pics, except for our photographer, Patrice Guino, but he's the Man.
The band is on top form starting with It's Only Rock n Roll, no one seems to know the next song All Down The Line from where we were but downstairs down the front it was rocking with musicians from American-French band Moriarty, they could easily get tix tonight as the bass player in the band is the son of M Carmignac who introduced the band on stage.
During Miss You Mick Jagger had a few problems with his ear monitor and had it fixed by a roadie on the side of the stage: he was furious. So he had an extra guitar solo by Ronnie and of course a groovy bass solo by Darryl.
Once again Mick pushed Ronnie several times on the front of the stage.
Keith Richards' playing is kept to a minimum which is very worrying. Ronnie is now holding the house together taking all the lead.
Bernard Fowler is back with The Stones (he rehearsed with them for the first time one day after the Trabendo October 26, setlist to come shortly for the completists). Jagger is playing guitar on Doom & Gloom.
The not so funny bit was when Mick Jagger talked about a letter M Carmignac sent to French President Francois Hollande (probably complaining about taxing the rich a bit more) and Mick laughed with all those bankers saying that "he never read (or heard of any of) Hollande's reply".
As soon as the name of Hollande was heard everybody booed.
He also asked if Hollande has been invited to the gig! With the audience laughing!
It really shows what a c*nt Mick Jagger has become: a rich laughing with the rich.
No surprise that he's charging his fans so much for London & Newark, disrespectful for the working class who have bought and are buying his records. What a f*cking shame!
The biggest Rock n Roll band playing & laughing with bankers and brokers!!! So sad!
Anyway enough of politics it was a great show!!! Glad we could make it.
75 min set (?)
Setlist
1. It's Only Rock n Roll
2. All Down The Line
3. You Got Me Rocking
4. Tumbling Dice
5. Miss You
6. You Can't Always Get What You Want
7. Doom And Gloom
8. Midnight Rambler
9. Start Me Up
10. Honky Tonk Women
11. Jumping Jack Flash
12. Brown Sugar
rockerparis.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-rolling-stones-theatre-mogador.html
Thanks! But didn't Keith play the lead on IORR and You Got Me Rocking?
Many of the other songs are in open G, so that might be the reason for Ronnie taking most of the leads yesterday.
Unless a recording is made available to YouTube or somewhere, we will have no way of knowing. However, the reviewer did mention specifically that Ronnie was handling all the lead parts in that particular show.
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drbryant
I don't have anything against the band playing private shows. In many ways, it's somehow suitable for the digital age. It recalls the days of the Troubador, going from town to town, playing for his living. Handel would have never written Water Music if he wasn't being paid by King Whatever the Whatever to prepare a performance on barges floating past his majesty. Remember that old interview when Dylan, asked whether he was a poet or a musician, replied "I'm a song and dance man". That's what the Stones are, and that's what musical performance has long been about. The sale of recorded music is actually something new.
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I have two minor thoughts:
Keith's involvement, at Trabendo gig at least, was not kept to a minimum. How many times during last tours have I seen posts saying "I wish Keith would knuckle down on straight rhythm like he did in '72". And it looks like this is what he is doing. All; songs I heard from Trabendo have him holding it down pretty solid.
My other question is that it says Mogador is the first time Bernard has worked with the Stones again. Who was doing all those BU vox in Trabendo show?
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Palace Revolution 2000
How many times during last tours have I seen posts saying "I wish Keith would knuckle down on straight rhythm like he did in '72". And it looks like this is what he is doing..
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Palace Revolution 2000
I have two minor thoughts:
Keith's involvement, at Trabendo gig at least, was not kept to a minimum. How many times during last tours have I seen posts saying "I wish Keith would knuckle down on straight rhythm like he did in '72". And it looks like this is what he is doing. All; songs I heard from Trabendo have him holding it down pretty solid.
My other question is that it says Mogador is the first time Bernard has worked with the Stones again. Who was doing all those BU vox in Trabendo show?
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Richard from Canada
Hey Olivier. Nice to see you in this forum again. I think it's been awhile.
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gotdablouse
he looked at the crowd pretty often, including straight in the eye a few times, a fascinating experience.
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How many times during last tours have I seen posts saying "I wish Keith would knuckle down on straight rhythm like he did in '72". And it looks like this is what he is doing..
Yup. We can't really have it both ways. Keith's demeanor from what I can see in these videos is very low-key..much like how he was on stage in the 70's. Kept to himself, hardly looked at the crowd, head down and kept his eyes on the guitar. We've all crapped on him for all the posing he's done throughout the years and so now here he is actually playing the guitar and people want the posing again?
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arthritis
I'm definately looking forward to more hq youtube videos if/when they become available of these 2012 shows. I agree keith should stick to rhythm, especially after watching sympathy for the devil in shine a light. It made me physically uncomfortable. But i'm glad they're still alive and trying, and even if the songs are molasses slow, integral guitar parts are omitted, and the shows devolve into the stones staring at each other like deer in headlights while keith zones out and decides to invent new keys and chords to play in on the spot, it'll still be interesting and in it's own way entertaining. I don't want to see them fail. But if they fail, i won't think any less of all the tunes they've written that i love, and at least for me it won't tarnish their legacy. It'll be more of a case where i'm just suprised they lived as long as they did.
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I'm definately looking forward to more hq youtube videos if/when they become available of these 2012 shows. I agree keith should stick to rhythm, especially after watching sympathy for the devil in shine a light. It made me physically uncomfortable. But i'm glad they're still alive and trying, and even if the songs are molasses slow, integral guitar parts are omitted, and the shows devolve into the stones staring at each other like deer in headlights while keith zones out and decides to invent new keys and chords to play in on the spot, it'll still be interesting and in it's own way entertaining. I don't want to see them fail. But if they fail, i won't think any less of all the tunes they've written that i love, and at least for me it won't tarnish their legacy. It'll be more of a case where i'm just suprised they lived as long as they did.
Now, after you've watched the clip of When The Whip Comes Down, you clearly can see an improvement from SAL, right?
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I'm definately looking forward to more hq youtube videos if/when they become available of these 2012 shows. I agree keith should stick to rhythm, especially after watching sympathy for the devil in shine a light. It made me physically uncomfortable. But i'm glad they're still alive and trying, and even if the songs are molasses slow, integral guitar parts are omitted, and the shows devolve into the stones staring at each other like deer in headlights while keith zones out and decides to invent new keys and chords to play in on the spot, it'll still be interesting and in it's own way entertaining. I don't want to see them fail. But if they fail, i won't think any less of all the tunes they've written that i love, and at least for me it won't tarnish their legacy. It'll be more of a case where i'm just suprised they lived as long as they did.
Now, after you've watched the clip of When The Whip Comes Down, you clearly can see an improvement from SAL, right?
It's hard for me to judge the 2012 stones on that when the whip comes down clip, because you basically have 3 guitars playing only 2 chords through most of that song.
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arthritis
I said "most" of the song is two cords. Varying between a&d. Also, mick is strumming a guitar on whip, and i can't see anybody's fingers. Mick's playing helps conceal keith, and mick ain't playing on sftd. Which as a halfass guitar player myself is the main reason i want to see them play on video in 2012. To see their fingers play guitar, not watch mick mime throwing confetti.
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drbryant
I don't have anything against the band playing private shows. In many ways, it's somehow suitable for the digital age. It recalls the days of the Troubador, going from town to town, playing for his living. Handel would have never written Water Music if he wasn't being paid by King Whatever the Whatever to prepare a performance on barges floating past his majesty. Remember that old interview when Dylan, asked whether he was a poet or a musician, replied "I'm a song and dance man". That's what the Stones are, and that's what musical performance has long been about. The sale of recorded music is actually something new.
Well, I'll try to not spout the leftist stuff that gets on everyone's nerves but I disagree. Firstly, I think the comparison with Handel is not accurate because a king is not the same thing as an investment fund. Besides, a lot of composers thought hard to be free-lance and not subject to the whims of their masters - Bach whose compositions were deemed "too operatic" for the church, Mozart who was kicked in the bum by some aristocrat, Haydn who had to wear the servant's dress at the court of the Esterhazy. Beethoven was the first to - moderately - succeed.
The big difference between then and now is that there is a mass market, so that pop artists can also make money from us (provided they take a little money from many of us rather than a lot of money from a few). I say "pop artists" because if you do conceptual art then there is no such market.
Secondly, one thing is to do the concert and another is the attitude at the concert. There IS something strange in seeing Jagger congratulate a banquer on the nice words that the queen said about him. Don't you think? Anybody remembers Their Satanic Majesties Request? The Rolling Stones made their fame by being anti-establishment and that's a fact; and it is still THAT fame that they are now selling to the establishment which, however you look at it, is bizarre and, to me, unpleasant.
Sure, the anti-establishment pose was a kind of pose from the start and the Stones have confessed it since a while: the Beatles wore the white hat, we took the black, etc. But it was their pose and if they take the reverse pose, they are not the same act. The ice-cold irony of Salt of the Earth is now their straight-forward belief, and Street Fighting Man is now the ironical song: please let's not wake up sleepy London town, for that's where the bankers dream sweet dreams.
Already in 95, a French rapper said in an interview that he liked some sounds from the Stones but they represented nothing but the establishment. I thought he was wrong because although the Stones represented nothing ACTUAL, they still were a sort of commemorative act: remember the sixties, like watching a documentary on TV. But now they have rewritten their past. They have made the story uninteresting and even depressing and I am reminded of a Clash song: "He who fu*ks nuns will later join the church" (Death or glory).
Anyway... that's the tear-eyed leftist's feelings for you.
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I wonder if Commander Jagger recieved any tax dodging tips from those French bankers. Maybe they should change the name of the tour to "50 Years of Accounting"? Just thinking...