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Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Highwire75 ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:15


Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Highwire75 ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:16


Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Highwire75 ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:17


Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Highwire75 ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:17


Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: roby ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:20

Ah ah ah....thumbs down How mystify reality. He was at the show and he know talking about Music for sure !

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Keith Richards' playing is kept to a minimum which is very worrying. Ronnie is now holding the house together taking all the lead.

And I don't particularly put much stock in this guy's comment here about Ronnie taking all the leads and Keith's playing is at a minimum. I have a feeling this dude really doesn't know the Stones music well enough and he may be misinterpreting the guitar parts, confusing Keith's role as the "guitar God" who takes all the solos and still does all the riffs. He may have been surprised to realize that Ronnie takes most of the solos while Keith has always stuck to rhythm. The blogger is probably just unfamiliar.



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Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:22

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I get why everyone is so cynical but I don't particularly see the reason to be that way for every little thing.

It's called human nature and understanding and "every little thing" in question happens to be a Rolling Stones gig - which doesn't happen too often, and surprisingly gathers some interest in a Rolling Stones fan board.

- Doxa

It's human nature and understanding to be so cynical? My point was not about dissecting or discussing a Stones gig. My point was the need to be cynical and undermined every thing they do as some two-faced, evil agenda. It works sometimes--but not all the time. That's just me, I guess.

Then call it experience.

But seriously, I've always known how greedy these rock stars are (and always been), but still they managed to surprise me in that front - and I thought I've seen everything! I think the old 'Vegas' concept should be finally put to rest and to come up with a new term to describe latest happenings. They really founded a new and terribly bigger gear from their machine now (as far as greediness goes). I am counting one plus one here. My picture is that the days and shows really are numbered now - they can't play as much, as many grand-scale gigs, as before - and for the minimal effort they will maximise the potential gross. The very last time a chance to make HUGE bucks.

- Doxa



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Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Irix ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:25

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Irix, October 29, 2012 16:30

Somebody know, how much the Investment Fund (Carmignac Gestion) has paid for this private concert tonight?

Remembers me of the idea some years ago: a Club gig, only for - and sponsored by - IORR-fans … winking smiley


www.investmenteurope.net: "It is not known, nor revealed, how much Carmignac paid for the privilege, but figures of up to €5m were being mentioned in the audience."


(Thanks to Rockman)

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: aprilfool ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:33

On these pictures, keith seems focusing on his playing. This is a good point for him. Posing for him is a attitude from the past and the most important is playing and taking fun for him and the audience. That does not excuse the fact of playing for companies. If he could focuse on his playing, it means if he takes the time, he could record songs, slowly songs like old blues. Good old blues from this old man now.

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: gotdablouse ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:47

@Justin - my thoughts exactly on that review, he was already harping on Keith in his review of Trabendo, and I didn't recognize what I saw with my own eyes 3 meters away from Keith. He takes great pictures but I don't think he knows the Stones well enough to be passing judgement like that. DoctorStones' and PierreQuiRoule's reviews are more interesting in that respect.

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And obviously he plays the guitar in HTW not something you can do if you're standing there "Brian Wilson" style like some reviews would let you think.

So no IORRians were inside after all?

It will be interesting to hear what he does in that one.

That's the acid test.

He famously messed that up a few times in the last tour, playing in the wrong key - or maybe the right notes but not necessarily in the right order :-)

Ok I've now heard from someone who was there and who knows his stuff that he was fine on HTW and played the whole solo, not something you can do if you're in "Brian Wilson" mode.



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Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Tajlibar ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:50


Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: proudmary ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:52

As a person who was born and raised in the Soviet Union - I say it as diplomatically as possible - I'm sick of your socialist bs

I understand you boycott the exhibitions of Picasso, Dali or Chagall because in their old years they have received millions for any sketch, you do not read Count Tolstoy, because he was a landlord and a millionaire, you ignore Lennon who sang Working Class Hero and Revolution but was living alone in a the eight store Dakota building, etc...

and by the way about Hollande's joke - when he took the office the first thing he did he gave the Legion of Honor to Paul McCartney, and said to the whole world that have always believed that the Beatles were much better than the Stones.
So well done Mick!

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Tajlibar ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:55



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Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: 1962 ()
Date: October 30, 2012 11:57

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As a person who was born and raised in the Soviet Union - I say it as diplomatically as possible - I'm sick of your socialist bs

I understand you boycott the exhibitions of Picasso, Dali or Chagall because in their old years they have received millions for any sketch, you do not read Count Tolstoy, because he was a landlord and a millionaire, you ignore Lennon who sang Working Class Hero and Revolution but was living alone in a the eight store Dakota building, etc...

and by the way about Hollande's joke - when he took the office the first thing he did he gave the Legion of Honor to Paul McCartney, and said to the whole world that have always believed that the Beatles were much better than the Stones.
So well done Mick!

Agree

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:04

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and by the way about Hollande's joke - when he took the office the first thing he did he gave the Legion of Honor to Paul McCartney, and said to the whole world that have always believed that the Beatles were much better than the Stones.
So well done Mick!

>grinning smiley<

But I guess the former president of France wasn't a particular Jagger fan either...

- Doxa

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: razorback9200 ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:10

For french fans , the significance of this needs to be fully appreciated.

[www.gestiondefortune.com]

If you don't speak french ,ask your friends for a translation...can't do it at the moment..I'm in a hurry !

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: olivier33 ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:14

here they write stones could have play on 'cirque d'hiver' (parisian venue) or Opera.
Mick said that the queen talked him about carmignacc...financil french revue

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: otonneau ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:15

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As a person who was born and raised in the Soviet Union - I say it as diplomatically as possible - I'm sick of your socialist bs

I understand you boycott the exhibitions of Picasso, Dali or Chagall because in their old years they have received millions for any sketch, you do not read Count Tolstoy, because he was a landlord and a millionaire, you ignore Lennon who sang Working Class Hero and Revolution but was living alone in a the eight store Dakota building, etc...

and by the way about Hollande's joke - when he took the office the first thing he did he gave the Legion of Honor to Paul McCartney, and said to the whole world that have always believed that the Beatles were much better than the Stones.
So well done Mick!

What a lot of rubbish...

1) I actually read Tolstoy who is one of my favourite auhors and he would certainly be scandalized by the world we live in. Do you know anything at all about Tolstoy to write what you write? To put Tolstoy on the side of the high and mighty capitalist solely on account of his birth is so grotesque I refer you to wikipedia for an answer, if you are too lazy to actually read his memoirs, his short stories, his brilliant novel "Resurrection".

2) Please nuance. Dali, Picasso or Chagall did not have a mass-market. The Stones, on the other hand, do not need to play for bankers to be rich. Contrary to what you think, I do not hate wealth. And I even make a difference between an aristocracy or an upper-class who, within a terribly unfair social structure, were also the patrons of the arts, of architecture etc. I don't think things are comparable with a bunch of bankers and financiers. The social structure is different.

3) So you were born in the soviet union. So what? I have many friends in your case. My grand father fled the revolution. This doesn't mean that I must kneel before the altar of money, as if the horrors of soviet russia were proof that the horrors of capitalism are actually wonderful. It's not binary, it's not either/or, some people still THINK, you know.

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: proudmary ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:18

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some people still THINK, you know.

absolutely, but it is not your case

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Grison ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:22

P L E E E Z Eeye popping smiley

Could we go back to the MOGADOR informations threat.
I do not want to know whether there were millionaires who attended
I do not want to know whether you envy or hate those guests.

I wanna know about the Stones and the concert and how they did.
They kept low profile in the song selection which they did as well for the Deutsche Bank concert in Barcelona, so what did you expext?

At last. thanks to all those contributions of people who had some photos and real value information.

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: proudmary ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:24

By the way, a little bit about Tolstoy. He received the largest fees in Russia per printed sheet - twice more than Dostoevsky who was not the landowner and lived solely on his literary earnings. And I must tell you that Dostoevsky was very unhappy about this fact

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:28

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Grison
P L E E E Z Eeye popping smiley

Could we go back to the MOGADOR informations threat.
I do not want to know whether there were millionaires who attended
I do not want to know whether you envy or hate those guests.

I wanna know about the Stones and the concert and how they did.
They kept low profile in the song selection which they did as well for the Deutsche Bank concert in Barcelona, so what did you expext?

At last. thanks to all those contributions of people who had some photos and real value information.

Well, the problem is that "information" concerning the actual performance is damn hard to get from these "private parties". And that's one raeson why not to particurly like very much of them. They are a bit like 'lost gigs'.

- Doxa

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:36

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For french fans , the significance of this needs to be fully appreciated.

[www.gestiondefortune.com]

If you don't speak french ,ask your friends for a translation...can't do it at the moment..I'm in a hurry !

Don't know how much I get it right, but some points I hadn't noticed yet were: the guests were given a DVD, and they speculate who might perform next year: Dylan, Springsteen and Johnny Hollyday were the wild guesses.

- Doxa

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Grison ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:37

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P L E E E Z Eeye popping smiley

Could we go back to the MOGADOR informations threat.
I do not want to know whether there were millionaires who attended
I do not want to know whether you envy or hate those guests.

I wanna know about the Stones and the concert and how they did.
They kept low profile in the song selection which they did as well for the Deutsche Bank concert in Barcelona, so what did you expext?

At last. thanks to all those contributions of people who had some photos and real value information.

Well, the problem is that "information" concerning the actual performance is damn hard to get from these "private parties". And that's one raeson why not to particurly like very much of them. They are a bit like 'lost gigs'.

- Doxa
Doxa I pretty accept it, but then it would be nice to keep it low profile and not moaning and whining all the time about the big fat guyseye rolling smiley who are in and the ones who are left out like us. Don't get me wrong, but there are enough threads about that, and I am rather sick of it.angry smiley Can you understand my point of view? eye rolling smiley



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Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: otonneau ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:38

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Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: superrevvy ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:53

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The Mogador show has just been upped at Dime :

[www.dimeadozen.org]

Quote : "one of the biggest selling acts in France
It was truly magic to see the 69 year old doing his thing !"

No don't thank me! >grinning smiley<

This is the most interesting post in the whole thread. Unfortunately I don't do
Dime. But a lot of you do. How about some reviews?

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:56

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Grison
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Grison
P L E E E Z Eeye popping smiley

Could we go back to the MOGADOR informations threat.
I do not want to know whether there were millionaires who attended
I do not want to know whether you envy or hate those guests.

I wanna know about the Stones and the concert and how they did.
They kept low profile in the song selection which they did as well for the Deutsche Bank concert in Barcelona, so what did you expext?

At last. thanks to all those contributions of people who had some photos and real value information.

Well, the problem is that "information" concerning the actual performance is damn hard to get from these "private parties". And that's one raeson why not to particurly like very much of them. They are a bit like 'lost gigs'.

- Doxa
Doxa I pretty accept it, but then it would be nice to keep it low profile and not moaning and whining all the time about the big fat guyseye rolling smiley who are in and the ones who are left out like us. Don't get me wrong, but there are enough threads about that, and I am rather sick of it.angry smiley Can you understand my point of view? eye rolling smiley

Surely, but personally the only 'big fat guys' I moan about are the four skinny guys on stage - coudn't care less about any others.winking smiley

- Doxa

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Doxa ()
Date: October 30, 2012 12:59

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The Mogador show has just been upped at Dime :

[www.dimeadozen.org]

Quote : "one of the biggest selling acts in France
It was truly magic to see the 69 year old doing his thing !"

No don't thank me! >grinning smiley<

This is the most interesting post in the whole thread. Unfortunately I don't do
Dime. But a lot of you do. How about some reviews?

I need to say that the setlist is really, I mean, really expectional, and Jagger's voice has changed dramatically....cool smiley

- Doxa

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: October 30, 2012 13:19

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I blame you for telling something that's not true.
Where is "it is part of the tour budget." this so called fact written? Who told you that? What make this 'a fact'? Talked to Mark?

Unless they have double accounting I would assume they have one budget for income and expenses. Income comes from ticket sales, sponsors, merchandise kick-back etc. I would say I know above average about how they price tickets and how they used to have first 5-20 rows low priced and how they subsidize some shows with other shows, so again there is a general accounting for any tour of course. A club show might not lower the ticket prices dramatically, but on the other hand it does not increase our ticket prices. The only problem is that most of us hate that other people can see a show we do not have access to. VIP's and rich people are unpopular, unless they play football or baseball.

I understand the argument you make, BV, but I can't really follow it through. And what happened in the past, does not imply it will happen again. The Cohlian days are past. If this show would have some effect to the ticket prices in London and New Jersey, that would mean that this show is a part of Branson deal (of that 16 million pounds). If it is not, whatever the Stones do outside that deal is their own business. Unless one figures that since they get this 'extra money' to their budget, they don't need to ask so much from Branson. So without bankers' gig, Branson would have needed to pay them, say, 20 million pounds. Theoretically possible, but honestly I don't believe in that. Can't see the link. The only link I see is the greed. They make as much money as they can, no matter the means (and what to think of that, is a different discussion, and irrelevant here)

It really starts to look like the gig last week was just a PR stunt. They know that this does not look good, and not all the people share the stoic and pragmatic attitude of yours, BV (and it is not just jealousy). Perhaps not even their notorius reputation had standed the fact that their long-waited first gig for five years and to celebrate their 50th Anniversary had been done as a private show for bankers. For example, it seemingly bothered Keith Richards so much that he needed to 'explain' these 'private gigs' in LIFE (he didn't do it well, but I'm glad he tried - and showed that it not alright for him, or his image, either. He recognizes the problem).

They really don't call this 'tour' 50 YEARS AND COUNTING... for nothing (even though Jagger's initial suggestion would have been even better..)

- Doxa

I agree Doxa. And thanks bv for explaining as you do but I also can't really follow it through. Your words "I assume" and "I know above average" just don't make it facts to me...it doesn't convince me. It's your interpretation and I certainly believe your intentions with this forum and all are sincere but that doesn't mean you are right. Your 'good work' as other people say is not broken down by people like me who don't follow your opinion; I like helping it to be more solid this way.
So to those of you who just keep making problems by whining about people like me who ask questions and don't believe everything written on a forum like this, cheers to you whiners; I'm a wino!

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: latebloomer ()
Date: October 30, 2012 13:27

There is a fine line between asking questions, whining, and then descending into being an a--hole. cool smiley

Re: MOGADOR informations
Posted by: Dreamer ()
Date: October 30, 2012 13:33

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Kind of like if a Stones shows happen in the woods Paris and no real fans are there to see/hear it... did it really happen?

Don't worry, this is how it will go down...

1) Verbal reports that Keith was great
2) Short video that indicates he was anything but.
3) Shill-ish types yelling at us not to believe our own eyes.

This has been the pattern since the Apollo and I fully expect it to last up
until and probably right thru the pay-per-view. In fact I would go so far as to
say that the Keith sucks/doesn't suck debate will be with us for the rest of their
career. Its the the new version of Taylor/Wood I'm afraid.

And its not just the hardcore. If you look at the comments for the one-minute
JJF on youtube, its there too. Its everywhere.

And how long can the Stones last with at least half the people who love them
thinking that Keith, in order to preserve what's left of their legacy, should
give it the fcuk up already?

We shall see.

Are you planning to attend any concerts to form your own opinion or are you only interested in internet jousts ? I must have said it ten times before but Keith was 4 meters away from me the other days, sometimes less and he certainly didn't embarrass himself or the band at the Trebando, and the fans were overjoyed, looks like it's a good deal for all involved, no?

So have anyone compared the setlists ? I haven't bothered yet ;-)

I don't know about superrevvy but I saw about 13% of the gig and that was enough for me to say what I had to say about it.
I don't mind that you saw the first (12 song warm up) show since 5 years and think it's great...
And of course there are plenty of fans who would be 'overjoyed' and think 'it's a good deal for all involved.'
But tell me: how do you know Keith 'certainly didn't embarrass himself.'?
In any case: he did embarrass me. Again.
And I really do hope he will do better in the near future, don't get me wrong.

You're not judging by the low-fi clips + the 1 minute trebly-sounding JJF-video here? Do you really think that's enough to jump to such conclusions on? confused smiley

Together with the observation made at the Mogador "Keith Richards' playing is kept to a minimum"...yes, that doesn't take away my embarrassment Dandy. It even makes me feel a little sorry...to see people write about him like that. To hear him play in the clips like that.
And it doesn't take away the fact that I hope he will do better in the near future. So again I'm not the one who's whining. Such bad readers here... Gosh I like their music, even after '81. Well not all of it. Not DW and stuff. But VL was ok and that tour too. I hope as much as you guys they will play a couple of great shows. But that doesn't make me blind or deaf and cheer about every chord they play. Especially when they play like this; not good (yet?) and Keith worries me like I said before "things don't look good." Again (!): I wish it was different! But it isn't.

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