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Keith Richards' playing is kept to a minimum which is very worrying. Ronnie is now holding the house together taking all the lead.

And I don't particularly put much stock in this guy's comment here about Ronnie taking all the leads and Keith's playing is at a minimum. I have a feeling this dude really doesn't know the Stones music well enough and he may be misinterpreting the guitar parts, confusing Keith's role as the "guitar God" who takes all the solos and still does all the riffs. He may have been surprised to realize that Ronnie takes most of the solos while Keith has always stuck to rhythm. The blogger is probably just unfamiliar.

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I get why everyone is so cynical but I don't particularly see the reason to be that way for every little thing.

It's called human nature and understanding and "every little thing" in question happens to be a Rolling Stones gig - which doesn't happen too often, and surprisingly gathers some interest in a Rolling Stones fan board.

- Doxa

It's human nature and understanding to be so cynical? My point was not about dissecting or discussing a Stones gig. My point was the need to be cynical and undermined every thing they do as some two-faced, evil agenda. It works sometimes--but not all the time. That's just me, I guess.

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Somebody know, how much the Investment Fund (Carmignac Gestion) has paid for this private concert tonight?

Remembers me of the idea some years ago: a Club gig, only for - and sponsored by - IORR-fans …

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And obviously he plays the guitar in HTW not something you can do if you're standing there "Brian Wilson" style like some reviews would let you think.

So no IORRians were inside after all?

It will be interesting to hear what he does in that one.

That's the acid test.

He famously messed that up a few times in the last tour, playing in the wrong key - or maybe the right notes but not necessarily in the right order :-)

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As a person who was born and raised in the Soviet Union - I say it as diplomatically as possible - I'm sick of your socialist bs

I understand you boycott the exhibitions of Picasso, Dali or Chagall because in their old years they have received millions for any sketch, you do not read Count Tolstoy, because he was a landlord and a millionaire, you ignore Lennon who sang Working Class Hero and Revolution but was living alone in a the eight store Dakota building, etc...

and by the way about Hollande's joke - when he took the office the first thing he did he gave the Legion of Honor to Paul McCartney, and said to the whole world that have always believed that the Beatles were much better than the Stones.
So well done Mick!

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and by the way about Hollande's joke - when he took the office the first thing he did he gave the Legion of Honor to Paul McCartney, and said to the whole world that have always believed that the Beatles were much better than the Stones.
So well done Mick!

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As a person who was born and raised in the Soviet Union - I say it as diplomatically as possible - I'm sick of your socialist bs

I understand you boycott the exhibitions of Picasso, Dali or Chagall because in their old years they have received millions for any sketch, you do not read Count Tolstoy, because he was a landlord and a millionaire, you ignore Lennon who sang Working Class Hero and Revolution but was living alone in a the eight store Dakota building, etc...

and by the way about Hollande's joke - when he took the office the first thing he did he gave the Legion of Honor to Paul McCartney, and said to the whole world that have always believed that the Beatles were much better than the Stones.
So well done Mick!

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some people still THINK, you know.

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P L E E E Z E

Could we go back to the MOGADOR informations threat.
I do not want to know whether there were millionaires who attended
I do not want to know whether you envy or hate those guests.

I wanna know about the Stones and the concert and how they did.
They kept low profile in the song selection which they did as well for the Deutsche Bank concert in Barcelona, so what did you expext?

At last. thanks to all those contributions of people who had some photos and real value information.

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For french fans , the significance of this needs to be fully appreciated.

[www.gestiondefortune.com]

If you don't speak french ,ask your friends for a translation...can't do it at the moment..I'm in a hurry !

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Could we go back to the MOGADOR informations threat.
I do not want to know whether there were millionaires who attended
I do not want to know whether you envy or hate those guests.

I wanna know about the Stones and the concert and how they did.
They kept low profile in the song selection which they did as well for the Deutsche Bank concert in Barcelona, so what did you expext?

At last. thanks to all those contributions of people who had some photos and real value information.

Well, the problem is that "information" concerning the actual performance is damn hard to get from these "private parties". And that's one raeson why not to particurly like very much of them. They are a bit like 'lost gigs'.

- Doxa

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The Mogador show has just been upped at Dime :

[www.dimeadozen.org]

Quote : "one of the biggest selling acts in France
It was truly magic to see the 69 year old doing his thing !"

No don't thank me! ><

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Could we go back to the MOGADOR informations threat.
I do not want to know whether there were millionaires who attended
I do not want to know whether you envy or hate those guests.

I wanna know about the Stones and the concert and how they did.
They kept low profile in the song selection which they did as well for the Deutsche Bank concert in Barcelona, so what did you expext?

At last. thanks to all those contributions of people who had some photos and real value information.

Well, the problem is that "information" concerning the actual performance is damn hard to get from these "private parties". And that's one raeson why not to particurly like very much of them. They are a bit like 'lost gigs'.

- Doxa

Doxa I pretty accept it, but then it would be nice to keep it low profile and not moaning and whining all the time about the big fat guys who are in and the ones who are left out like us. Don't get me wrong, but there are enough threads about that, and I am rather sick of it. Can you understand my point of view?

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The Mogador show has just been upped at Dime :

[www.dimeadozen.org]

Quote : "one of the biggest selling acts in France
It was truly magic to see the 69 year old doing his thing !"

No don't thank me! ><

This is the most interesting post in the whole thread. Unfortunately I don't do
Dime. But a lot of you do. How about some reviews?

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I blame you for telling something that's not true.
Where is "it is part of the tour budget." this so called fact written? Who told you that? What make this 'a fact'? Talked to Mark?

Unless they have double accounting I would assume they have one budget for income and expenses. Income comes from ticket sales, sponsors, merchandise kick-back etc. I would say I know above average about how they price tickets and how they used to have first 5-20 rows low priced and how they subsidize some shows with other shows, so again there is a general accounting for any tour of course. A club show might not lower the ticket prices dramatically, but on the other hand it does not increase our ticket prices. The only problem is that most of us hate that other people can see a show we do not have access to. VIP's and rich people are unpopular, unless they play football or baseball.

I understand the argument you make, BV, but I can't really follow it through. And what happened in the past, does not imply it will happen again. The Cohlian days are past. If this show would have some effect to the ticket prices in London and New Jersey, that would mean that this show is a part of Branson deal (of that 16 million pounds). If it is not, whatever the Stones do outside that deal is their own business. Unless one figures that since they get this 'extra money' to their budget, they don't need to ask so much from Branson. So without bankers' gig, Branson would have needed to pay them, say, 20 million pounds. Theoretically possible, but honestly I don't believe in that. Can't see the link. The only link I see is the greed. They make as much money as they can, no matter the means (and what to think of that, is a different discussion, and irrelevant here)

It really starts to look like the gig last week was just a PR stunt. They know that this does not look good, and not all the people share the stoic and pragmatic attitude of yours, BV (and it is not just jealousy). Perhaps not even their notorius reputation had standed the fact that their long-waited first gig for five years and to celebrate their 50th Anniversary had been done as a private show for bankers. For example, it seemingly bothered Keith Richards so much that he needed to 'explain' these 'private gigs' in LIFE (he didn't do it well, but I'm glad he tried - and showed that it not alright for him, or his image, either. He recognizes the problem).

They really don't call this 'tour' 50 YEARS AND COUNTING... for nothing (even though Jagger's initial suggestion would have been even better..)

- Doxa

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Kind of like if a Stones shows happen in the woods Paris and no real fans are there to see/hear it... did it really happen?

Don't worry, this is how it will go down...

1) Verbal reports that Keith was great
2) Short video that indicates he was anything but.
3) Shill-ish types yelling at us not to believe our own eyes.

This has been the pattern since the Apollo and I fully expect it to last up
until and probably right thru the pay-per-view. In fact I would go so far as to
say that the Keith sucks/doesn't suck debate will be with us for the rest of their
career. Its the the new version of Taylor/Wood I'm afraid.

And its not just the hardcore. If you look at the comments for the one-minute
JJF on youtube, its there too. Its everywhere.

And how long can the Stones last with at least half the people who love them
thinking that Keith, in order to preserve what's left of their legacy, should
give it the fcuk up already?

We shall see.

Are you planning to attend any concerts to form your own opinion or are you only interested in internet jousts ? I must have said it ten times before but Keith was 4 meters away from me the other days, sometimes less and he certainly didn't embarrass himself or the band at the Trebando, and the fans were overjoyed, looks like it's a good deal for all involved, no?

So have anyone compared the setlists ? I haven't bothered yet ;-)

I don't know about superrevvy but I saw about 13% of the gig and that was enough for me to say what I had to say about it.
I don't mind that you saw the first (12 song warm up) show since 5 years and think it's great...
And of course there are plenty of fans who would be 'overjoyed' and think 'it's a good deal for all involved.'
But tell me: how do you know Keith 'certainly didn't embarrass himself.'?
In any case: he did embarrass me. Again.
And I really do hope he will do better in the near future, don't get me wrong.

You're not judging by the low-fi clips + the 1 minute trebly-sounding JJF-video here? Do you really think that's enough to jump to such conclusions on?