Still available - 23:47 on 17.11.2012

The O2, London
Thu 29 Nov 2012, 18:30

Section
BK 102
Row
H
Seats
64

£406.00 x 1
Price Details



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-11-18 01:51 by SonicDreamer.

Rolling Stones
The O2, London
Thu 29 Nov 2012, 18:30
Section
BK 102
Row
N
Seats
54
Description
INCL. VENUE FACILITY FEE £1
ENTRANCE B
Price Level 1
LEVEL 1
Type
Full Price Ticket
Ticket Price
£406.00 x 1
Price Details

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SonicDreamer
Still available - 23:47 on 17.11.2012

The O2, London
Thu 29 Nov 2012, 18:30

Section
BK 102
Row
H
Seats
64

£406.00 x 1
Price Details

This is a great single seat. Based on seat number, it's about midway in the stands from the stage, and 8 rows up. Frankly, if you are in the stands, I don't see much difference among the first 10 rows or so. If you are going alone, I would think about grabbing it. It would be a tough call between a seat like this in the front "half" of 102 (seats 50-66) and the back of the A blocks on the floor. There is definitely a "vibe" that comes with being on the floor that I like, but the view will be nice and clear from the stands.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-11-18 09:14 by drbryant.

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gotdablouse
Not too shabby...102 doesn't start at H though right? Actually looking at 101 and 112 I'm not sure they start at H everywhere but possibly only on the sides as the map shows some "cut-outs".

Just to be 100 percent clear folks, the ONLY block of lower tiers to have a chunk missing is 101, and it is missing rows A to G. This is because of a permanent installation, namely a wheelchair ramp and viewing platform. All the other lower tier blocks start at row A, except there is something going on with this AA, BB, CC business at the very opposite end to the stage, namely 106 and 107. I am not 100 percent sure that the deal is there, because I have never taken the slightest interest in that sort of location myself, and never will - but I think the issue of where the double letter rows are in relation to the single letter rows was discussed some pages back in this thread. they're either above or below, can't recall which myself .... I THINK below.

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Mr Jimmy
Talk about the waiting game...

Interesting to read everyone's comments about the state of affairs with tickets.

I am hoping to get to at least the Sunday show, and, even though it's turning my hair grey, I'm holding out for some decent seats, I haven't buckled under the pressure yet!

Surely the meet-up will be at the pilot inn? It makes sense after the 2007 shows, and it's a nice break from the perfectly functional, but Disneyworld-esque vibe of the bars and restaurants inside the O2.

Touch wood, can't wait to see friends, old faces, at these shows!!

I was wondering when you'd show your handsome mug on here, greetings Mr Jimmy. Get yerself a ticket lad, and join the rock n' roll party .....

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]

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drbryant

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SonicDreamer
Still available - 23:47 on 17.11.2012

The O2, London
Thu 29 Nov 2012, 18:30

Section
BK 102
Row
H
Seats
64

£406.00 x 1
Price Details

This is a great single seat. Based on seat number, it's about midway in the stands from the stage, and 8 rows up. Frankly, if you are in the stands, I don't see much difference among the first 10 rows or so. If you are going alone, I would think about grabbing it. It would be a tough call between a seat like this in the front "half" of 102 (seats 50-66) and the back of the A blocks on the floor. There is definitely a "vibe" that comes with being on the floor that I like, but the view will be nice and clear from the stands.

Completely agree, as a single seat offering at this point in time - not bloody bad.

Or to put it another way, a f**k sight better than a lot of the rubbish that all our beloved secondary sites and ebay optimists are still trying to persuade us to pay over face value for ........

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]

And on the subject of ROWS, for what it's worth - here's my own personal take on rows. I've sat in block 112 a zillion times now for various things, and to be honest, I actually prefer the little bit of height you get from being some half dozen rows up. There has been many a time when I've bought a last minute ticket in rows A or B or C, and it's just something I've noticed when I've walked up and down that aisle of steps, that the view you get of the stage from say around rows E or F or G is actually that little bit more agreeable than from right at the very bottom, namely A.

Just my personal observation, but do bear it in mind if you're one of those total obsessives about ROWS. As drbryant said in his post a couple above this .....

<<< Frankly, if you are in the stands, I don't see much difference among the first 10 rows or so >>>

..... and I completely agree, all I would do is add to that statement by saying that my own preference would actually to BE about 6 to 8 rows up rather than in A or B or C. But hey, each to theirs .... good luck all. It does seem as if there are decent TM drops coming in now ..... f f f f f f f f finally

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-11-18 10:36 by paulywaul.

The Guardian are calling for an inquiry into the scandal of secondary ticket agencies selling on tickets.



You can still buy tickets for this month's Rolling Stones 50th anniversary gigs in London, according to breezy radio adverts from a company called StubHub. So I logged on to have a look, and found that two tickets with a face value of £375 each will cost me a gobsmacking £23,500 for the pair. For that price I'd expect Mick Jagger to perform in my front lounge.

StubHub, it turns out, is another of those "secondary ticketing" companies that have sprung up in recent years; others include Seatwave and Viagogo.

But StubHub's £23,500 isn't even the highest amount being asked for two Stones tickets. Over at Viagogo, I found a pair of prime seats at the O2 Arena going for a staggering £37,808. That figure includes a £4,800 booking fee, which rather puts the £5-£8 charged by the likes of Ticketmaster in the shade.

Yet on the back of most concert tickets are words to the effect of "this is non-transferable". The small print on the website of See Tickets (like Ticketmaster, one of the big "primary agents") is pretty typical: "The tickets are for the personal use of you and your party only, and will not be resold or transferred. Any resale or attempt to resell the tickets at a price higher than purchased will result in your orders being cancelled..."

Yet everyone – the individuals selling their tickets, the secondary websites, eBay, Gumtree etc – simply ignores it. And it appears no one is prepared to step in and enforce the rules.

Most people wearily accept the existence of touts, and some defend their "market clearing" function. But cast your mind back a few months, when the O2 Arena hosted Olympic events. There was none of this rip-off reselling of tickets. It was illegal to resell Olympic tickets on the open market without permission; eBay had to remove any listings where people tried to do this, and the police were quick to swoop on any touts who turned up at venues.

If it can be done for Olympic events, why can't this sort of clampdown be extended to gigs and other sporting events?


[www.guardian.co.uk]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-11-18 11:03 by Silver Dagger.

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Silver Dagger
The Guardian are calling for an inquiry into the scandal of secondary ticket agencies selling on tickets.



You can still buy tickets for this month's Rolling Stones 50th anniversary gigs in London, according to breezy radio adverts from a company called StubHub. So I logged on to have a look, and found that two tickets with a face value of £375 each will cost me a gobsmacking £23,500 for the pair. For that price I'd expect Mick Jagger to perform in my front lounge.

StubHub, it turns out, is another of those "secondary ticketing" companies that have sprung up in recent years; others include Seatwave and Viagogo.

But StubHub's £23,500 isn't even the highest amount being asked for two Stones tickets. Over at Viagogo, I found a pair of prime seats at the O2 Arena going for a staggering £37,808. That figure includes a £4,800 booking fee, which rather puts the £5-£8 charged by the likes of Ticketmaster in the shade.

Yet on the back of most concert tickets are words to the effect of "this is non-transferable". The small print on the website of See Tickets (like Ticketmaster, one of the big "primary agents") is pretty typical: "The tickets are for the personal use of you and your party only, and will not be resold or transferred. Any resale or attempt to resell the tickets at a price higher than purchased will result in your orders being cancelled..."

Yet everyone – the individuals selling their tickets, the secondary websites, eBay, Gumtree etc – simply ignores it. And it appears no one is prepared to step in and enforce the rules.

Most people wearily accept the existence of touts, and some defend their "market clearing" function. But cast your mind back a few months, when the O2 Arena hosted Olympic events. There was none of this rip-off reselling of tickets. It was illegal to resell Olympic tickets on the open market without permission; eBay had to remove any listings where people tried to do this, and the police were quick to swoop on any touts who turned up at venues.

If it can be done for Olympic events, why can't this sort of clampdown be extended to gigs and other sporting events?


[www.guardian.co.uk]

Excellent, love to read things like this. Not meaning to sound sceptical ... ... but I think I'll be dead and buried 25 years before one such enquiry ever actually takes place, but it is nevertheless always refreshing to read YET ANOTHER article on the subject. It WILL happen I think, it's just like all things ... it takes years and years for the momentum to build up to the point where eventually some form of action is inevitable. Hope I f***ing live to see it !!

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]

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Silver Dagger
The Guardian are calling for an inquiry into the scandal of secondary ticket agencies selling on tickets.



You can still buy tickets for this month's Rolling Stones 50th anniversary gigs in London, according to breezy radio adverts from a company called StubHub. So I logged on to have a look, and found that two tickets with a face value of £375 each will cost me a gobsmacking £23,500 for the pair. For that price I'd expect Mick Jagger to perform in my front lounge.

StubHub, it turns out, is another of those "secondary ticketing" companies that have sprung up in recent years; others include Seatwave and Viagogo.

But StubHub's £23,500 isn't even the highest amount being asked for two Stones tickets. Over at Viagogo, I found a pair of prime seats at the O2 Arena going for a staggering £37,808. That figure includes a £4,800 booking fee, which rather puts the £5-£8 charged by the likes of Ticketmaster in the shade.

Yet on the back of most concert tickets are words to the effect of "this is non-transferable". The small print on the website of See Tickets (like Ticketmaster, one of the big "primary agents") is pretty typical: "The tickets are for the personal use of you and your party only, and will not be resold or transferred. Any resale or attempt to resell the tickets at a price higher than purchased will result in your orders being cancelled..."

Yet everyone – the individuals selling their tickets, the secondary websites, eBay, Gumtree etc – simply ignores it. And it appears no one is prepared to step in and enforce the rules.

Most people wearily accept the existence of touts, and some defend their "market clearing" function. But cast your mind back a few months, when the O2 Arena hosted Olympic events. There was none of this rip-off reselling of tickets. It was illegal to resell Olympic tickets on the open market without permission; eBay had to remove any listings where people tried to do this, and the police were quick to swoop on any touts who turned up at venues.

If it can be done for Olympic events, why can't this sort of clampdown be extended to gigs and other sporting events?


[www.guardian.co.uk]

A few things that are important to remember. Ticket agencies don't set the prices, the resellers do. They just act as a clearinghouse for sales, and serve the function of guaranteeing the tickets you buy are genuine and that you get what you pay for. They charge a hefty fee for this service, of course.

Also, ticket reselling is now perfectly legal in most countries. Some jurisdictions require that agencies be licensed; other jurisdictions ban sales around the arena for public safety reasons, but in general, it's not illegal. In the old days, before legalized reselling, I don't think it was any easier to get tickets. The difference was, if you missed out, then you were out of luck unless you were willing to take a chance on some guy who placed a classified ad in the newspaper, or buying from questionable touts outside the venue on the day of the show. One very big positive aspect of legal reselling is that it has, for the most part, taken the underworld out of the process.

The Olympic example is one of those rare occasions where a special law was passed to regulate ticket sales for the London Olympic games. The justification for passing a special law was, as you might guess, related to security and terrorist fears.

Other than those rare cases where special laws are passed, when you do have special restrictions on ticket sales, they are often imposed by the band/promoter and have no legal basis - police will not interfere. Then, when promoters threaten to actually enforce the rules, they are met with criticism from fans, who were unable to purchase tickets in the official sale and end up purchasing in the secondary market. I remember the Led Zeppelin concert at the O2, where 2 million (or was it 20 million?) applied for 20,000 available tickets. When the promoter announced that he would be checking all ID's and refusing entry to those that did not actually win the ballot, he was met with a firestorm of opposition from fans, some of whom were preparing to file a lawsuit in the English courts. He relented. So, it goes both ways.

It's not an easy one for sure, and there are pros and cons both of the way it was and the way it is. I personally would not deny someone the right to buy something for X and sell it for Y. And if Y > X and you or I want to pay the value of Y, so be it.

BUT - it is the total lack of transparency that pervades this re-selling business that is a total affront. In as much as you and I and anyone else can debate the virtues of a last minute offering on Ticketmaster for example, say a seat for the Stones on the 29th such as block 102 row H seat whatever it was .... then WHY if you're looking for that VERY SAME information on a re-selling site, you DO NOT SEE IT ? I mean for heavens sake, a location in a concert venue is described by three very simple things, a BLOCK, a ROW, and a SEAT. It's not rocket science.

It is an act of deliberation that this information is withheld on re-selling sites. By any standards, that is a mis-description at the least, and a wilful and concerted attempt to deceive at worst. THAT is inexcusable, and THAT ought to be legislated against. It really IS that simple. As for the right to buy for X and sell for Y, you'll never fully stop that. Supply and demand will take care of that, and as we're seeing here now with the Stones, lots of people have taken complete and utter leave of their senses, over-estimated demand at these prices, and are well on their way to losing their arses and getting f**ked. GOOD.

But really, if you're gonna re-sell something, f***ing well DESCRIBE it fully, what the hell is so difficult about that ?

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-11-18 12:53 by paulywaul.

7 days everyone! I will be getting off the train at Euston exactly a week today. This week is gonna drag!

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flairville
7 days everyone! I will be getting off the train at Euston exactly a week today. This week is gonna drag!

Are u & SC.UK sorted, or not as yet ?

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Yes for Thursday, probably for Sunday!

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flairville
Yes for Thursday, probably for Sunday!

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Has anyone noticed the pit prices on Seatwave, Getmein and Viagogo . They have rocketed upwards ......wtf ?

Sunday inc. fees .Starting prices :

£1780 ON SEATWAVE

£1580 ON VIAGOGO

£1658 ON GETMEIN


I think these were always going to be the hardest tickets to score .To the wire I think.

sc uk

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straycatuk
Has anyone noticed the pit prices on Seatwave, Getmein and Viagogo . They have rocketed upwards ......wtf ?

Sunday inc. fees .Starting prices :

£1780 ON SEATWAVE

£1580 ON VIAGOGO

£1658 ON GETMEIN


I think these were always going to be the hardest tickets to score .To the wire I think.

sc uk

Yeah I noticed that. You know what they say, wot goes up .................. you know the next bit !!

I'm not looking anymore, am in 101, but will be interested nevertheless to see what the pit ticket availability and prices are on say Friday or Saturday of this coming week. Anyone's guess, what with this rather bizarre massive jump in prices. IF I was still looking and was not otherwise constrained, I'd play the waiting game till then myself, but wtf !!

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-11-18 13:32 by paulywaul.

Wounded, was going to get two of the £999 ones tomorrow. I might just go on a rampage of destruction at the gig now - this is beyond anything I've ever known and there won't be any form of apology or ackowledgment from the band.

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TomGreen
Wounded, was going to get two of the £999 ones tomorrow. I might just go on a rampage of destruction at the gig now - this is beyond anything I've ever known and there won't be any form of apology or ackowledgment from the band.

Well there's someone going dressed as a gorilla ...

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... so maybe team up with them and TRASH THE PLACE !!

It's only rock n' roll !!

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]

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virgil
On Ticketmaster, I just pulled up a Bronze seat package at the Barclays for $950.
Section 207 row 7. So for $950 You get the Honor of sitting in the 7th row in the Balcony. Im Sorry but they have HUGE F%*^ing Balls.

I just tried the same thing & pulled up section 225 row 6. Who would buy these are there people that desperate. I will bet that these seats will end up on a TM drop a day or two before the show at the $250 price.

The other part of the scandal is the 25% fee (10% for the seller, 15% for the buyer) that these "secondary agencies" charge, there is no justification for that.

If these pit prices hold up there will be room to roam in there!

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gotdablouse
The other part of the scandal is the 25% fee (10% for the seller, 15% for the buyer) that these "secondary agencies" charge, there is no justification for that.

If these pit prices hold up there will be room to roam in there!

Yep, have a blast those of you that are in there, and hoping you indeed DO have plenty of "room to roam" ...

Wish I was in there too, but hey ... "ya can't always" ............ and so on !!

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-11-18 15:23 by paulywaul.

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gotdablouse
The other part of the scandal is the 25% fee (10% for the seller, 15% for the buyer) that these "secondary agencies" charge, there is no justification for that.

If these pit prices hold up there will be room to roam in there!

ESPECIALLY as they have a deliberate policy of withholding key specifics about tickets, namely sometimes even the ROW, and always the SEAT number(s). So what we the ticket buying public end up with is LESS information about the item for sale in return for a GREATER cost ?????????????

Well you can call me a f***ing moron, but somehow that doesn't strike me as a good deal !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]

Correct, I suspect they do that because the seats may be on offer on different rip-off sites so it would look messy if it was in plain view.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-11-18 16:54 by gotdablouse.

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Mr Jimmy
Talk about the waiting game...

Interesting to read everyone's comments about the state of affairs with tickets.

I am hoping to get to at least the Sunday show, and, even though it's turning my hair grey, I'm holding out for some decent seats, I haven't buckled under the pressure yet!

Surely the meet-up will be at the pilot inn? It makes sense after the 2007 shows, and it's a nice break from the perfectly functional, but Disneyworld-esque vibe of the bars and restaurants inside the O2.

Touch wood, can't wait to see friends, old faces, at these shows!!

I was wondering when you'd show your handsome mug on here, greetings Mr Jimmy. Get yerself a ticket lad, and join the rock n' roll party .....

Haha, hey Paul, I've been following the thread but didn't have anything of merit to add, so I've been quiet! But I am certainly planning on being there one week from today! Just holding out and seeing what happens with ticket availability / pricing over the next few days.

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What's your favourite flavour?...........Cherry Red!!

I'm with ya Mr J

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]

Prices are now starting to increase as people buckle as the event nears. Pairs on the upper tier are now hitting the high £600s on eBay. It appears the waiting game is favouring the touts.

I think Stones night on BBC2 may have caused a spike? Probably die off again soon.

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TomGreen
Prices are now starting to increase as people buckle as the event nears. Pairs on the upper tier are now hitting the high £600s on eBay. It appears the waiting game is favouring the touts.

<<< Pairs on the upper tier are now hitting the high £600s on eBay >>>

Asking .... or actually "going for" ? If the latter, then (a) I am absolutely astonished at what some people will pay for a pretty awful and detatched experience up in the gods, and (b) I'm inclined to agree with flairville that it's a spike as a result of Stones night on BBC2 last night. I think it might be the "last hurrah" for scalpers myself, because 5-6 days from now ... I see the situation being totally reversed and favouring those still looking for tickets. Either way, time will tell ... 6 days to be precise !!

[ If you don't believe what I'm singing, at three o'clock in the morning, babe, well I'm singing my song for you ]

Well I looked at the latest sales on Seatwave (just click on "sell") and there are very few of them compared to a few days ago and the pits are now going between £700 and £750 so the jacking up of the price is probably some little "play" by the touts, you know, the more something is expensive, the more you want it...the dust is going to be clearing in the next few days and the pressure is on the touts as there will be tickets for any motivated fan I'm sure. It's too bad the O2 have this policy of not allowing any type of resale near the venue though. If anything it helps the rip-off sites like viagogo, getmein, seatwave, etc...

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