The Stones will do what they do. Really, any unhappiness I feel I should blame on myself:

-- For living in the past and hoping the band that will hit the stage will be the band that no longer really exists (except in brief moments).

-- For having paid higher prices for an increasingly inferior product from the 90's on. (Why? See above.) All tours before that back to 72 I really cannot complain.

-- For foolishly thinking that being a loyal fan (45 plus years and counting) means I should expect anything back from the band except products to buy at higher prices (though the Vault has been a real boon and one of the best deals yet and I didn't look a gift horse in the mouth).

-- For getting to the point in my history with the band where I no longer feel $750 is worth the price.

I have no regrets about my lifelong love for the band. And nothing they do as businessmen ever has impact my love for the tracks that I feel are among the greatest ever recorded. And it never will.

But it's time to lay the blame where it belongs and see with clear eyes.

50 years is long enough for any relationship, don't you think?

Thank God! We found someone to blame!

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The Stones will do what they do. Really, any unhappiness I feel I should blame on myself:

-- For living in the past and hoping the band that will hit the stage will be the band that no longer really exists (except in brief moments).

-- For having paid higher prices for an increasingly inferior product from the 90's on. (Why? See above.) All tours before that back to 72 I really cannot complain.

-- For foolishly thinking that being a loyal fan (45 plus years and counting) means I should expect anything back from the band except products to buy at higher prices (though the Vault has been a real boon and one of the best deals yet and I didn't look a gift horse in the mouth).

-- For getting to the point in my history with the band where I no longer feel $750 is worth the price.

I have no regrets about my lifelong love for the band. And nothing they do as businessmen ever has impact my love for the tracks that I feel are among the greatest ever recorded. And it never will.

But it's time to lay the blame where it belongs and see with clear eyes.

50 years is long enough for any relationship, don't you think?

What relationship? A relationship is an active personal participation of mutual awareness bwteen 2 or more human beings, and, personally speaking, you are a stranger to the Stones. You, like me and everyone else here, are a consumer of a product that is marketed, nothing more. No relationship, then no need for blame.

Instead, it's a time for assessing the factors that have put the music industry into such a state where its recorded output is no longer profitable and only live performance can generate a profit, hence the increasingly out of control ticket prices. People say it began with CDs, that it's too easy to make copies, but you could make cassette dubs of LPs back in the day. No, it's the internet and the downloading thing, and the get something for nothing sense of entitlement that people who download have adopted--blame that Napster phenomenon at the turn of the century, if you must place the blame. Blame an industry that has not yet figured how to adjust to the challenges of the digital age.

But if you're just going to resort to self-pity and start blaming yourself for factors that are beyond your control, then you may as well take up heavy drinking.

I dont blame myself because i didnt buy and wont buy these ridiculously priced tix

Cineplexed, excellent post.

The carefree years are over for most people today. We have to have priorities.
Somestimes, we have to say good bye. Some of our friends grow. Some do not grow in the same way we do. Often, we are disappointed. And, on occasion,we are pleasantly surprised.

Some have a real life beyond IORR or the Rolling Stones that has to come first.

I blame cineplexed as well. I feel a lot better now.

there's plenty of blame to go around. we should all be indicted...stones, fans, promoters, chuck. nobody gets to hog the blame.

now...what are we being blamed for again?

.......I blame Mick's shoe salesman .... He's got no soul ...



ROCKMAN

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.......I blame Mick's shoe salesman .... He's got no soul ...

NEVER mention Mick's shoes.

I hate Mick's shoes.

The clumpy ones... not the old ones.

My Stones fan days have come to a halt. (The feeling is rather unpleasant, but there are bigger problems in the world)...

but there are bigger problems in the world)........awwww come on Kim Kardashian's arse ain't that bad....



ROCKMAN



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.......I blame Mick's shoe salesman .... He's got no soul ...

I disagree, at least 2 1/2" of sole.

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@Cineplexed - Well put. I have said for years that I do not worship these guys. They are by far my favorite band of all time, but I have a life. The only disappointment I have is the ticket prices. They can do anything they want from an artistic perspective, including nostalgia shows with all the 'hits'. I would still pay to see that. The problem comes when, for the first time ever, I genuinely cannot sacrifice the amount required to go see my favorite band.

Yes, I could sell a bunch of stuff in order to get two tickets but do I really want to sell my car to see my favorite band? $1500? I need to make payroll. I have a kid, and a wife and a business. I just can't do it.

If these four shows were the last Rolling Stones shows of all time, then yes I could see those prices... but they are not. The 'tour' is '50 And Counting' or whatever.

If these are the general prices for a 2013 tour, I wont be going either. I have been squeezed out just like all the other normal fans.

I feel your frustration. You are obviously not alone.

Kim Kardashian's ass and her entire body are a disgrace to the plastic surgeons of California.

I, just like anyone else with a brain, can not excuse the Stones for their doings. It's their doings, not mine. They do not have any influence on me whatsoever. Either I buy their product or not.

Liking it is up to me. In the end, it means nothing other than it's just "something".

And this time? The something isn't worth bothering with no matter what. These up coming live shows and a possible tour? Means nothing to me because I'm not going.

Good for them though. They obviously need more money. And touring has only been about the money since 1981. Anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool.

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Kim Kardashian's ass and her entire body are a disgrace to the plastic surgeons of California.

Do you really think it's all plastic surgery? I think that butt is all hers. I thought about trying to come up with something profound to say about blame in the modern era, but Kim's butt really does seem to be the most logical way to deal with high ticket prices.

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Kim Kardashian's ass and her entire body are a disgrace to the plastic surgeons of California.

Do you really think it's all plastic surgery? I think that butt is all hers. I thought about trying to come up with something profound to say about blame in the modern era, but Kim's butt really does seem to be the most logical way to deal with high ticket prices.

She is a living, breathing sex doll.

....... Hey what about me??????



ROCKMAN

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Instead, it's a time for assessing the factors that have put the music industry into such a state where its recorded output is no longer profitable and only live performance can generate a profit, hence the increasingly out of control ticket prices. People say it began with CDs, that it's too easy to make copies, but you could make cassette dubs of LPs back in the day. No, it's the internet and the downloading thing, and the get something for nothing sense of entitlement that people who download have adopted--blame that Napster phenomenon at the turn of the century, if you must place the blame. Blame an industry that has not yet figured how to adjust to the challenges of the digital age.

Now that deserves a closer look. What about music in general not being the first priority for young people anymore? What about strong competition from games and all that stuff? You'd be hard pushed to find young people discussing music. They talk about computer games and all the newest technology. Music in general does not matter much anymore. A hit today is a throwaway tomorrow. There may be good younger bands. But isn't it all more or less repetition since, oh so many years? Would it really be the same as in the 60's or 70's without Internet and "free" downloading? Or do we simply experience a once tremendously influental cultural phenomenon on it's last legs?

And aren't the Stones and their ticket pricing a prime example for flogging an almost dead horse as long as it's still possible?



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Instead, it's a time for assessing the factors that have put the music industry into such a state where its recorded output is no longer profitable and only live performance can generate a profit, hence the increasingly out of control ticket prices. People say it began with CDs, that it's too easy to make copies, but you could make cassette dubs of LPs back in the day. No, it's the internet and the downloading thing, and the get something for nothing sense of entitlement that people who download have adopted--blame that Napster phenomenon at the turn of the century, if you must place the blame. Blame an industry that has not yet figured how to adjust to the challenges of the digital age.

Now that deserves a closer look. What about music in general not being the first priority for young people anymore? What about strong competition from games and all that stuff? You'd be hard pushed to find young people discussing music. They talk about computer games and all the newest technology. Music in general does not matter much anymore. A hit today is a throwaway tomorrow. There may be good younger bands. But isn't it all more or less repetition since, oh so many years? Would it really be the same as in the 60's or 70's without Internet and "free" downloading? Or do we simply experience a once tremendously influental cultural phenomenon on it's last legs?

And aren't the Stones and their ticket pricing a prime example for flogging an almost dead horse as long as it's still possible?

Even before the age of internet/downloading, music was not a top priority in young people's lives. The generation from the early 80s for instance saw music as mere entertainment, like movies or sports or comedy, never embracing music icons the way people in the 60s did with The Beatles, The Stones, and Dylan. The place of music based on guitar, drums and bass is quite secure in the culture--the music schools still have full enrollments and guitar shops are still in business. The problem is that the industry has lost control of how it sells and markets music, and songwriting royalties are not what they used to be. Bands that could once carve out a living with just the recording studio must now tour to survive. The days of a band like The Beatles having the option to stop touring and retire to the studio for years on end are over. That is the problem. The closure of recording studios also is a problem. There are plenty of young people out there who have substance and appreciate a wide range of new and old music. But the downloading dilemma has thrown the profit balance out of whack for record companies and recording artists alike, and this balance needs to be restored, otherwise The Stones aren't the only night out you'll be forced to pay top dollar for.

The Rolling Stones
Prudential Center, Thursday, 13 December 2012 19:00
Section: 20, Row: 15
Number of Tickets: 2
Price: $5,729.41
Booking Fee: $572.94
Shipping: ( Based on lowest priced delivery to: USA) $14.95
Ticket Guarantee: Free

Do you have a Gift Voucher?

great question....


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Total Price: $6,317.30

that booking fee is more than my car payment

there's always pay-per-view

I still blame The Stones, F'in #$%^suckers.

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Rockman
.......I blame Mick's shoe salesman .... He's got no soul ...

I disagree, at least 2 1/2" of sole.

What a heel......

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Rockman
.......I blame Mick's shoe salesman .... He's got no soul ...

I disagree, at least 2 1/2" of sole.

What a heel......

Archn't you just pissed?

Archn't you just pissed?


........ooooh time ta call the tow-truck



ROCKMAN

I blame you, too. Or maybe U2. I haven't decided.

I blame Mick's shoes.

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Instead, it's a time for assessing the factors that have put the music industry into such a state where its recorded output is no longer profitable and only live performance can generate a profit, hence the increasingly out of control ticket prices. People say it began with CDs, that it's too easy to make copies, but you could make cassette dubs of LPs back in the day. No, it's the internet and the downloading thing, and the get something for nothing sense of entitlement that people who download have adopted--blame that Napster phenomenon at the turn of the century, if you must place the blame. Blame an industry that has not yet figured how to adjust to the challenges of the digital age.

Now that deserves a closer look. What about music in general not being the first priority for young people anymore? What about strong competition from games and all that stuff? You'd be hard pushed to find young people discussing music. They talk about computer games and all the newest technology. Music in general does not matter much anymore. A hit today is a throwaway tomorrow. There may be good younger bands. But isn't it all more or less repetition since, oh so many years? Would it really be the same as in the 60's or 70's without Internet and "free" downloading? Or do we simply experience a once tremendously influental cultural phenomenon on it's last legs?

And aren't the Stones and their ticket pricing a prime example for flogging an almost dead horse as long as it's still possible?

Even before the age of internet/downloading, music was not a top priority in young people's lives. The generation from the early 80s for instance saw music as mere entertainment, like movies or sports or comedy, never embracing music icons the way people in the 60s did with The Beatles, The Stones, and Dylan. The place of music based on guitar, drums and bass is quite secure in the culture--the music schools still have full enrollments and guitar shops are still in business. The problem is that the industry has lost control of how it sells and markets music, and songwriting royalties are not what they used to be. Bands that could once carve out a living with just the recording studio must now tour to survive. The days of a band like The Beatles having the option to stop touring and retire to the studio for years on end are over. That is the problem. The closure of recording studios also is a problem. There are plenty of young people out there who have substance and appreciate a wide range of new and old music. But the downloading dilemma has thrown the profit balance out of whack for record companies and recording artists alike, and this balance needs to be restored, otherwise The Stones aren't the only night out you'll be forced to pay top dollar for.

Music is still very important to young people and talking about it is still very much a part of their life.



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