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If you'd expand people would not be paying the big bucks anymore, so you would earn less as overhead will grow. If you decrease the amount of tables you will have to increase prices so less people will be able to afford it, while the chef is not accepting less salary.

This is all just standard simple rules that are applied for years in any industry.

Why do you think that for the last tours many shows wheren't sold out, but had the second tier blanketed? Because you earn more when you sell 20.000 tickets for 100 bucks than 35000 tickets for 50 bucks. More income, less expenses.

Mathijs

Ahhhh I hated economics class...When is lunch break Mathijs?

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I've been a fan for 40 years but this ticket fiasco is the final straw. The Stones,Ticketmaster, seatwave etc are surely all working together in the grrreed game. I was annoyed in 2007 when I paid £112 plus £60 stones membership to see them at the O2 in a fan club pre sale and ended up adjacent to the stage and in the very highest point of the nosebleeds.I felt humiliated then but it's a whole new level now. The highest I could afford was £106 but took an age to get through online and by telephone and when I did none available(if the ever were). These are very difficult times for the majority of people, believe it or not. Bunch of out of touch, disgraceful tossers. I hope it filters through to the band how upset and angry the real fans are but we all know it makes no difference. The morals of Cameron and Osbourne, I hope they are proud of themselves.

True. It's been a long and pretty much heartless decline for the Stones. The aloof/out of touch/distant/untouchable feel worked great when they were so far beyond anyone else that it was magic.............they're just not good enough to play the same game now. Fairly soon it'll all be past tense anyway. It's not only rock n roll-it's business. And retirement.

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Oh please stop with the drama and whining.

Oh please - if these prices are nothing to you - buy an extra 12 tickets, send them to BV to be raffled on IORR...............nah, course not...........

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To quote John Lennon, "It's just a rock and roll band, it's nothing important.", I love American football but can afford to go to the Superbowl. I don't whine endlessly about how it literally makes me sick. I don't have endless supplies of cash, but for this very rare event, I decided to fore go other luxuries for the next year or so.

Personally, I think these for shows will be special 50th anniv. events with Wyman and Taylor, and a more proper (and properly priced) tour to follow in 2013. Also, this tour serves as a barometer as to what they will be able to charge for tickets for larger (stadiums) this summer as to keep the number of dates to a minimum, but the number of seats and fan opportunity to a maximum. IMO, this will translate to an appropriate supply of reasonably priced tickets for the masses.

Exactly. This happens every tour - 'I've had it! The Stones have ripped me off for the last time!'
Whatever.....this is going to be a spectacle for the masses. I've seen my favorite band twice each tour since 1989. I won't die if I don't see this and I think most Stones fans feel the same. Who can afford this? People will money to throw away, that's who? The Superbowl analogy is perfect. I mean, somebody has to buy the DVD when it comes out.....

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What a load of crap. We all have to face the fact that Stones are not a normal band, but an instutution, a museum of 50 years R&R history. Combined with the fact that it will all be over soon: high ticket prices.

Compare it to a very fine 3 Michelin star restaurant. It'll cost you 500 bucks to eat a full menu. Is it worth it? That's up to you -if you think not go dine somewhere else. But you can't go screaming about that the chef used to work at your local pizza parlour when you where young 40 years ago, and that he made $6 pizza's then. The guy's evolved to be a super chef, and the 3 stars he's earned makes it possible for him to charge as much money as he wants. And guess what? Try to book a reservation at Noma in Denmark, or The Fat Duck in London. You won't get one, it's fully booked for the coming 9 months.

The Rolling Stones are the Fat Duck of the entertainment industry.

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Mathijs are you serious, 9 months to get a seat in these restaurants? I would say it's time to expand at any cost!

If you'd expand people would not be paying the big bucks anymore, so you would earn less as overhead will grow. If you decrease the amount of tables you will have to increase prices so less people will be able to afford it, while the chef is not accepting less salary.

This is all just standard simple rules that are applied for years in any industry.

Why do you think that for the last tours many shows wheren't sold out, but had the second tier blanketed? Because you earn more when you sell 20.000 tickets for 100 bucks than 35000 tickets for 50 bucks. More income, less expenses.

Mathijs

Well I was only kidding about "expand at any Cost". But I definitely do not agree about your first sentence. Are you saying if the wait went from 9 months to 1 month, they would have to charge less since people would not pay the same for the same meal. The well off I'm sure would go to these places once a month and pay the same for a nice meal and certainly in London or NYC. Now of course if your only taking about people that go out once a year, then I see your point, but I do not think these people (you and me) are their target patrons! There are many rich people where money is no object.

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Oh, regarding the Fat Duck and other expensive places.

If you were so enthusiastic about three star food but you didn't have the money to go try it out, I'd be sorry for you.
But bear in mind that people who want to go to those are the richer people in the first place. People who grew up with fine food and who can smell which wine is expensive and which is even more expensive.

People that grew up on sausage egg and chips probably have no aspiration whatsoever to visit the Fat Duck.

And there goes your comparison to the Stones. Because everyone was able to grow up with their music and most of them can't visit them now.

That's why they feel more insulted then when not being able to go to the Fat Duck. And that's the pain we feel now.

There's also people who grew up on bacon, and learned the finer things in life later on. I can't eat in a three star restaurant every week, but I love the experience and I save money for it. So I book a 2 or 3 star restaurent 9 months ahead, and put 50 euro's aside every month so the old lady and me can taste the fine things in live.

If you would have kept 100 euro's per year aside since 2007 you'd saved 500 euro's plus rent to buy a ticket and book a hotel.

Again, it's just childish wining when you say 'we grew up with the Stones, so we deserve cheap tickets now'. I saw U2 in 1984 for 10 guilders (7 euro), and I saw them on their last tour for 150 euro. Did you hear me complaining that I saw them in '84 and now I deserve a cheap ticket? Bollocks.

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What a load of crap. We all have to face the fact that Stones are not a normal band, but an instutution, a museum of 50 years R&R history. Combined with the fact that it will all be over soon: high ticket prices.

Compare it to a very fine 3 Michelin star restaurant. It'll cost you 500 bucks to eat a full menu. Is it worth it? That's up to you -if you think not go dine somewhere else. But you can't go screaming about that the chef used to work at your local pizza parlour when you where young 40 years ago, and that he made $6 pizza's then. The guy's evolved to be a super chef, and the 3 stars he's earned makes it possible for him to charge as much money as he wants. And guess what? Try to book a reservation at Noma in Denmark, or The Fat Duck in London. You won't get one, it's fully booked for the coming 9 months.

The Rolling Stones are the Fat Duck of the entertainment industry.

Mathijs

Mathijs are you serious, 9 months to get a seat in these restaurants? I would say it's time to expand at any cost!

If you'd expand people would not be paying the big bucks anymore, so you would earn less as overhead will grow. If you decrease the amount of tables you will have to increase prices so less people will be able to afford it, while the chef is not accepting less salary.

This is all just standard simple rules that are applied for years in any industry.

Why do you think that for the last tours many shows wheren't sold out, but had the second tier blanketed? Because you earn more when you sell 20.000 tickets for 100 bucks than 35000 tickets for 50 bucks. More income, less expenses.

Mathijs

Well I was only kidding about "expand at any Cost". But I definitely do not agree about your first sentence. Are you saying if the wait went from 9 months to 1 month, they would have to charge less since people would not pay the same for the same meal. The well off I'm sure would go to these places once a month and pay the same for a nice meal and certainly in London or NYC. Now of course if your only taking about people that go out once a year, then I see your point, but I do not think these people (you and me) are their target patrons! There are many rich people where money is no object.

Of course if you lower the prices it will become less atractive for many -eating in a 3 star restaurent increases your social status as it shows you have taste AND money. There's many examples of this -a test with two bottles of the same perfume, one priced at 20 bucks and one at 50 bucks. Which bottle do you think about all women wanted?

Mathijs

Mathijs comparision with restaurants make it sound like the reason for the ticketprices going up is because the quality has been rising as well....

BTW, I just tried searching for tickets on seetickets; funny to read the 130 "facebook comments" under the RS ticket search. Seems like the everybody there think the whole band can bugger off; it's not only people on this board who's complaining.

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Mathijs comparision with restaurants make it sound like the reason for the ticketprices going up is because the quality has been rising as well....

BTW, I just tried searching for tickets on seetickets; funny to read the 130 "facebook comments" under the RS ticket search. Seems like the everybody there think the whole band can bugger off; it's not only people on this board who's complaining.

are they yelling in peoria? anyone know?

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i saw crossfire hurricane yesterday, and it was a disappointment, stops at 1982......

I called that one! Thanks for saving me time and money.

[thepowergoats.com]

Any Fat Duck customer expects equal food for equal money. If he pays the same as another customer and gets inferior food, then he wouldn't be considered out of order to complain - far from it.

So that's what's happening here - the customers are rightly complaining because it's far from equal seats for equal money when a lot of the nosebleed seats cost the same the best spots.

it figuratively turns my stomach....for anyone whose stomach is literally turned, seek a physician's help immediately!

Thanks for making me realize how much money I have saved in the past year. I cook better than a 3star Michlen chef so I don't need to go to expensive restaurants; I did't pay to see Springsteen, U2 and Milan Inter (free tickets); I'm married so I don't have to buy 50euro perfumes any more ... My conscience feels better!

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it figuratively turns my stomach....for anyone whose stomach is literally turned, seek a physician's help immediately!

True that. That's how we lost Nicky Hopkins...

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Mathijs comparision with restaurants make it sound like the reason for the ticketprices going up is because the quality has been rising as well....

BTW, I just tried searching for tickets on seetickets; funny to read the 130 "facebook comments" under the RS ticket search. Seems like the everybody there think the whole band can bugger off; it's not only people on this board who's complaining.

If you are of the opinion that 400 pounds for a second tier ticket is too expensive, then don't buy the ticket. The quality hasn't increased, but the scarcity has. Petrus is mainly so expensive because there's so little amount of bottles produced every year.

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ps It sold out in 7 minutes. Proves that prices where right, and might even could have been higher....

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The prices should be double... and make tickets last 14 minutes.

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ps It sold out in 7 minutes. Proves that prices where right, and might even could have been higher....

Mathijs

You sound like an oilman.

Hold back the product, drive up the price, cash in for you and yours, screw the loyal customer...they have to have it, make 'em pay for it.

Wow. Its all so clear.

RS = BP = $$

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What a load of crap. We all have to face the fact that Stones are not a normal band, but an instutution, a museum of 50 years R&R history. Combined with the fact that it will all be over soon: high ticket prices.

Compare it to a very fine 3 Michelin star restaurant. It'll cost you 500 bucks to eat a full menu. Is it worth it? That's up to you -if you think not go dine somewhere else. But you can't go screaming about that the chef used to work at your local pizza parlour when you where young 40 years ago, and that he made $6 pizza's then. The guy's evolved to be a super chef, and the 3 stars he's earned makes it possible for him to charge as much money as he wants. And guess what? Try to book a reservation at Noma in Denmark, or The Fat Duck in London. You won't get one, it's fully booked for the coming 9 months.

The Rolling Stones are the Fat Duck of the entertainment industry.

Mathijs

Mathijs are you serious, 9 months to get a seat in these restaurants? I would say it's time to expand at any cost!

If you'd expand people would not be paying the big bucks anymore, so you would earn less as overhead will grow. If you decrease the amount of tables you will have to increase prices so less people will be able to afford it, while the chef is not accepting less salary.

This is all just standard simple rules that are applied for years in any industry.

Why do you think that for the last tours many shows wheren't sold out, but had the second tier blanketed? Because you earn more when you sell 20.000 tickets for 100 bucks than 35000 tickets for 50 bucks. More income, less expenses.

Mathijs

Well I was only kidding about "expand at any Cost". But I definitely do not agree about your first sentence. Are you saying if the wait went from 9 months to 1 month, they would have to charge less since people would not pay the same for the same meal. The well off I'm sure would go to these places once a month and pay the same for a nice meal and certainly in London or NYC. Now of course if your only taking about people that go out once a year, then I see your point, but I do not think these people (you and me) are their target patrons! There are many rich people where money is no object.

Of course if you lower the prices it will become less atractive for many -eating in a 3 star restaurent increases your social status as it shows you have taste AND money. There's many examples of this -a test with two bottles of the same perfume, one priced at 20 bucks and one at 50 bucks. Which bottle do you think about all women wanted?

Mathijs

I agree with this (and your premise of your first post). I was just talking about expand to the point where there is no diminishing returns. I was not talking about expand to the level where you don't need any reservations and all you have to do is show up and your seated.

I think the Stones can still add 2 or 3 shows at each location and still demand and get the same price. But they could not add 10 shows at each and sell out at these prices. I bet they do add a couple of shows at each (assuming the venue is available)!

Getting back to your original post, lets face it, the Stones are Rock&Roll royalty and there's no once else except for McCartney and they know it. If they did decide to only do these 4 concerts and the tickets were 1/2 the price, can you image the demand (it would more than double, probably 10 fold). Then sure some got cheaper seats, but most would not be able to get any seats and then everyone would be complaining about there is not enough shows.

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The prices should be double... and make tickets last 14 minutes.

LOL

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-10-19 20:45 by Max'sKansasCity.

Look, the Stones are a business, first and foremost. They are a "brand" these days more than a "band". Why is this a surprise to anyone? If music was their main interest they would have gotten together numerous times in the last five years for the sheer joy of playing, or to challenge themselves artistically. This simply isn't the case. They are a product like any other product, and they charge what the market will bear. The fact that they have sold out these shows means that from a business standpoint their calculations were correct. In fact, they probably could have charged even more. One may choose to buy the product or not (personally I choose not to, as I find the current product lacking), but why the anger and feelings of betrayal for something that they have been doing for two decades or more, which is to try to extract the most money and profit from their enterprise as possible?

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My thought is that Wyman will join them at the 02 shows and Taylor(he's only booked for shows Nov 24 and 30) will join them at the Prudential Center shows.

It could be the reason for the outrageous ticket prices.

Who would have imagined all those years ago that Stones fans would be happy for an extra zero on a ticket price just to see a cameo by Mick Taylor or Bill Wyman?

I wonder how much of that extra revenue the Stones get from these shows because of this speculation will find its way into the bank accounts of the guys in question.

I would guess that it'll be close to just one of those zeroes.

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I hope they will burn in Hell forever !

very few folks get let out of there for good behaviour, in fairness

Tough crowd in tonight, even by normal standards!

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This is so cool...I just got this email-

Dearest Stones fans,

We have heard your cries of pain and discomfort.
We don't care

All the Best,
All That Glimmers is Gold

This is a great day!

Post of the week....LMAO

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My thought is that Wyman will join them at the 02 shows and Taylor(he's only booked for shows Nov 24 and 30) will join them at the Prudential Center shows.

It could be the reason for the outrageous ticket prices.

Who would have imagined all those years ago that Stones fans would be happy for an extra zero on a ticket price just to see a cameo by Mick Taylor or Bill Wyman?

I wonder how much of that extra revenue the Stones get from these shows because of this speculation will find its way into the bank accounts of the guys in question.

I would guess that it'll be close to just one of those zeroes.

Hmm, Gazza, I am not sure if the type of people scooping up these tickets know, let alone care, about Wyman and Taylor. At least not enough to have speculation drive up prices. Wouldn't it make more sense (if getting more money was the objective) to actually announce and promote appearances by the two ex-members? That might do the trick.

Just come back off holiday to this happy news - its an utter disgrace - lets face it,they're not exactly gonna be firing on all cylinders are they?Not the slightest bit interested at these prices,they can sod off - its a fine thank you to the true fans who have supported them for all these years.

I don't post here often but have been a big fan for almost 40 years and I just don't get it - these people are rich beyond our wildest dreams,why don't they give something back?If this is the score when the real tour arrives,won't be bothering with that either - will go where I get value for money,such as Bruce - no comparison.

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Look, the Stones are a business, first and foremost. They are a "brand" these days more than a "band". Why is this a surprise to anyone? If music was their main interest they would have gotten together numerous times in the last five years for the sheer joy of playing, or to challenge themselves artistically. This simply isn't the case. They are a product like any other product, and they charge what the market will bear. The fact that they have sold out these shows means that from a business standpoint their calculations were correct. In fact, they probably could have charged even more. One may choose to buy the product or not (personally I choose not to, as I find the current product lacking), but why the anger and feelings of betrayal for something that they have been doing for two decades or more, which is to try to extract the most money and profit from their enterprise as possible?

well, that changes everything. i think we can all relax and exhale now with the understanding we should be celebrating the stones' success. Hail Hail Rock N Roll, Baby!!! the stones have delivered us again!

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Just come back off holiday to this happy news - its an utter disgrace - lets face it,they're not exactly gonna be firing on all cylinders are they?Not the slightest bit interested at these prices,they can sod off - its a fine thank you to the true fans who have supported them for all these years.

I don't post here often but have been a big fan for almost 40 years and I just don't get it - these people are rich beyond our wildest dreams,why don't they give something back?If this is the score when the real tour arrives,won't be bothering with that either - will go where I get value for money,such as Bruce - no comparison.

It's a business, and "the right thing to do for the true fans" does not even enter the equation.

What would IORR ever do without all these kind people retelling everyone, over and over, that concerts area business. Esp the ones who love to whine about all sorts of crap... and now telling people they should not whine about what they see as high prices.

Is the popcorn done yet... my bowl is almost empty.

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Look, the Stones are a business, first and foremost. They are a "brand" these days more than a "band". Why is this a surprise to anyone? If music was their main interest they would have gotten together numerous times in the last five years for the sheer joy of playing, or to challenge themselves artistically. This simply isn't the case. They are a product like any other product, and they charge what the market will bear. The fact that they have sold out these shows means that from a business standpoint their calculations were correct. In fact, they probably could have charged even more. One may choose to buy the product or not (personally I choose not to, as I find the current product lacking), but why the anger and feelings of betrayal for something that they have been doing for two decades or more, which is to try to extract the most money and profit from their enterprise as possible?

well told, Tele, quite telling.