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I think the only similar things between VL and Exile is:

- Variety
- The double album-format

VL is not more retro than, say, Steel Wheels or other albums (Big exception: B2.

Mick saying it's too retro means nothing really. At that time, he would probably have preferred more dancable tracks, coming off the great success with Sweet Thing.

Don Was branding the album as the REAL new Exile, however, wore off to many fans and reporters - gradually it became "the truth" that the Stones tried to re-create Exile.

Musically, it's an insane comparison, imo. Trying to make a varied rock album doesn't have to be retro or covering yourself. And not succeeding with the quality of your material doesn't have to be benchmark whether that's true or not, imo.

They tried to make a good double album, but didn't quite succeed, imo. That's it.

Actually I haven't thought VOODOO LOUNGE ever as a EXILE replica, even though there is that 'let's do different genres' mentality in both. They are just so far from each other: EXILE goes damn deep and original in studying different American musical genres inspiring, and having inspired them, but VOODOO LOUNGE rips off just different styles the band has tried along the years, even "Lady Jane" having a modern reading. They are not inspired by the originals (blues, country, gospel, soul, etc.) but just like "hey, remember when we did this and that, let's try that again". So instead of listening some Muddy, Otis, Hank Williams or whatever records, they sound like have listened their own old records to get the 'inspiration'.

STEEL WHEELS also have a part of that (like any Vegas era album) I admit but it still not so obvious yet.

- Doxa

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Doxa
Now, listening the track for some days now, it it still growing on me ... Thank you, Mick Jagger and The Rolling Stones.

- Doxa

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I think the only similar things between VL and Exile is:

- Variety
- The double album-format

VL is not more retro than, say, Steel Wheels or other albums (Big exception: B2.

Mick saying it's too retro means nothing really. At that time, he would probably have preferred more dancable tracks, coming off the great success with Sweet Thing.

Don Was branding the album as the REAL new Exile, however, wore off to many fans and reporters - gradually it became "the truth" that the Stones tried to re-create Exile.

Musically, it's an insane comparison, imo. Trying to make a varied rock album doesn't have to be retro or covering yourself. And not succeeding with the quality of your material doesn't have to be benchmark whether that's true or not, imo.

They tried to make a good double album, but didn't quite succeed, imo. That's it.

Actually I haven't thought VOODOO LOUNGE ever as a EXILE replica, even though there is that 'let's do different genres' mentality in both. They are just so far from each other: EXILE goes damn deep and original in studying different American musical genres inspiring, and having inspired them, but VOODOO LOUNGE rips off just different styles the band has tried along the years, even "Lady Jane" having a modern reading. They are not inspired by the originals (blues, country, gospel, soul, etc.) but just like "hey, remember when we did this and that, let's try that again". So instead of listening some Muddy, Otis, Hank Williams or whatever records, they sound like have listened their own old records to get the 'inspiration'.

STEEL WHEELS also have a part of that (like any Vegas era album) I admit but it still not so obvious yet.

- Doxa

With The Worst we're at least being introduced for a new musical direction, though. I can't remember the Stones ever been doing country with irish flavour before...

I think Mean Disposition is (in a weird way, though) a very different rocker, at least until Keith kicks in with the guitars toward the ending.

LIS is also different. New chords, a different bridge. We can always discuss how good it is, but we should keep things like this in mind when discussing this.

Although not very good, the tex/mex was also pretty new ground for the Stones.

Can't remember having heard songs like Thru And Thru before either. Maybe there isn't a decent musical bag to put it in?

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There are dozens of very good Stones songs which dont sound like 'Stones songs' or where the collaboration between Jagger and Richards is minimal or even non existent. or where Charlie isnt that prominent.

The only thing that matters is whether it's an enjoyable song or not. And it is. The end always justifies the means.

I really dont see why people get wound up and over-analytical about the dynamics over who is too prominent and who isnt heard loudly enough. The fact is that for decades Mick and Keith have not been a songwriting unit in the true sense of the word. In this day and age and with technology being what it is, its quite obvious that when a band sets aside just four days or so to record two songs that whoever wrote the song is going to have already done a sizeable amount of work on it in their home studio and that full band involvement is going to be comparatively minimal. I'd expect 'One More Shot' to be the same, only that it would have more of Keith as he wrote it.

The days of Andrew Oldham locking them in a room and making them bash out a song together are long gone.

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Glad to read you're diggin' it, Doxa ... All these questions, debates, blah, blah, blah. Talk is cheap.

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Doxa
Now, listening the track for some days now, it it still growing on me ... Thank you, Mick Jagger and The Rolling Stones.

- Doxa

Glad to read you're diggin' it, Doxa ... All these questions, debates, blah, blah, blah. Talk is cheap.

Getting to the point, we ask ourselves: Is this entertaining? Check.

Period. End o' story. Fun track to listen to, not ground breaking, just fun to groove to.

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I don't think I "out patrionized" your comment...."I congratulate them on coming up with what appears to be a minor hit"....but your comment did sound like a whine...having said that...sorry you don't like D&G...I think it's the most fun Mick's had in a while...for once he didn't take himself so seriously (Streets of Love)...can't wait to hear this one live..I bet its a highlight.

There was nothing fretful, distressed, or pained about my post, therefore no "whine" as you incorrectly interpreted my comments--just a difference of opinion is all, a simple matter of taste. There seems to be no tolerance here for those who don't like this new song--everyone must like it, or else. It just proves that the biggest Stones fanatics are also the most reactionary. This "if you don't like this new song, there must be something wrong with you, and you can't be a part of our club" mentality is rather amusing, almost like being back in school. In fact, it borders on hilarity, this putting other posters down because they don't like a new 3-minute pop-dance number, like your approval of it is the gospel. Around here, it's beginning to feel like a badge of honor not to like this song. Still looking forward to the dozen or so Keith-bashing threads to accompany the release of One Last Shot, which I am looking forward to [that is, the song, not the inevitable Keith-bashing threads]. I'll bet a new Keith song will sound more Stones-like than a glorified Mick solo song such as D&G. Looking forward to locking horns with you D&G folk on that topic next month when One Last Shot becomes available to the public.

if your post is directed at me I think it's misdirected....however I find it amusing that you don't see how patronizing your posts are (and that's just one perspective).....that's what I reacted to....don't like the tune?....that's your choice..that's cool...I don't take issue with that...it's what you wrote.

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Doxa
Now, listening the track for some days now, it it still growing on me ... Thank you, Mick Jagger and The Rolling Stones.

- Doxa

Glad to read you're diggin' it, Doxa ... All these questions, debates, blah, blah, blah. Talk is cheap.

Getting to the point, we ask ourselves: Is this entertaining? Check.

Period. End o' story. Fun track to listen to, not ground breaking, just fun to groove to.

Objection! You don't practize, according to your own gospel. You reject debates.

But then, without discussion, even without arguement, you conclude! Behind our backs!

Not everything is blind feelings after all, even for you!

We are non the wiser as to the basis for your conclusion!

Cheat, cheat, cheat!

(Maybe, maybe, there should have been a smiley here.)

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Not quite as good as Don't Stop. And that was shit.

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Disliked it at first, love it now. And the amazing thing: it's actually the LYRICS that made me love it - now when was the last time this was the case? The lyrics and Jagger's fabulous delivery.

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Disliked it at first, love it now. And the amazing thing: it's actually the LYRICS that made me love it - now when was the last time this was the case? The lyrics and Jagger's fabulous delivery.

Mixed feelings about it at first, now starting to really enjoy the first couple of minutes of the radio-edit version. Jagger's delivery truly IS fabulous -- stunning, really -- plus those lyrics about crash landing and fighting zombies are waaaaaaay cool, and those fake hand-claps just don't bother me anymore. But I still miss Keith and Charlie, the "guitar solo" is very weak, and IMO the track eventually just runs out of gas.

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Disliked it at first, love it now. And the amazing thing: it's actually the LYRICS that made me love it - now when was the last time this was the case? The lyrics and Jagger's fabulous delivery.

Mixed feelings about it at first, now starting to really enjoy the first couple of minutes of the radio-edit version. Jagger's delivery truly IS fabulous -- stunning, really -- plus those lyrics about crash landing and fighting zombies are waaaaaaay cool, and those fake hand-claps just don't bother me anymore. But I still miss Keith and Charlie, the "guitar solo" is very weak, and IMO the track eventually just runs out of gas.

Drew

Yeah, stunning, I agree. Fabulous singing by Mick, imo. Amazingly good

"Stunning"?

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I don't think I "out patrionized" your comment...."I congratulate them on coming up with what appears to be a minor hit"....but your comment did sound like a whine...having said that...sorry you don't like D&G...I think it's the most fun Mick's had in a while...for once he didn't take himself so seriously (Streets of Love)...can't wait to hear this one live..I bet its a highlight.

There was nothing fretful, distressed, or pained about my post, therefore no "whine" as you incorrectly interpreted my comments--just a difference of opinion is all, a simple matter of taste. There seems to be no tolerance here for those who don't like this new song--everyone must like it, or else. It just proves that the biggest Stones fanatics are also the most reactionary. This "if you don't like this new song, there must be something wrong with you, and you can't be a part of our club" mentality is rather amusing, almost like being back in school. In fact, it borders on hilarity, this putting other posters down because they don't like a new 3-minute pop-dance number, like your approval of it is the gospel. Around here, it's beginning to feel like a badge of honor not to like this song. Still looking forward to the dozen or so Keith-bashing threads to accompany the release of One Last Shot, which I am looking forward to [that is, the song, not the inevitable Keith-bashing threads]. I'll bet a new Keith song will sound more Stones-like than a glorified Mick solo song such as D&G. Looking forward to locking horns with you D&G folk on that topic next month when One Last Shot becomes available to the public.

if your post is directed at me I think it's misdirected....however I find it amusing that you don't see how patronizing your posts are (and that's just one perspective).....that's what I reacted to....don't like the tune?....that's your choice..that's cool...I don't take issue with that...it's what you wrote.

No, I don't consider my posts patronizing at all, especially when I'm merely expressing my honest opinion. However, you may find them patronizing, because you do not see my point of view. In a post, there is what is posted, and there is the reader of what is posted. In that point of encounter, misunderstanding can develop, particularly when one reads into, rather than simply reads, a post. If you take issue with what I post and how I express it, there's nothing I can do about it. It is a forum after all, not a love-fest.

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Thank God we are not getting "vault tracks" anymore. If Plunder my Soul was a new song I don't know what i would do....maybe cry.

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This is great! A crap(apart from Jagger's vocal) new song from another greatest hits album and ticket prices funnier than a kick in the head.
Now i love blase, corporate and out of touch piss-take as much as the next person but this is beyond all expectation.
Now just gotta decide whether to sell one of my Gibsons and go to see a band that can hardly play without sidemen anymore or buy tickets for 2/3 gigs on the upcoming Jim Jones Revue tour and enjoy some passionate and heartfelt rock n roll with enough dosh left over to get trolleyed in the bar.

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Thank God we are not getting "vault tracks" anymore. If Plunder my Soul was a new song I don't know what i would do....maybe cry.

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This is great! A crap(apart from Jagger's vocal) new song from another greatest hits album and ticket prices funnier than a kick in the head.
Now i love blase, corporate and out of touch piss-take as much as the next person but this is beyond all expectation.
Now just gotta decide whether to sell one of my Gibsons and go to see a band that can hardly play without sidemen anymore or buy tickets for 2/3 gigs on the upcoming Jim Jones Revue tour and enjoy some passionate and heartfelt rock n roll with enough dosh left over to get trolleyed in the bar.

Let us know when you make your decision

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StayLoose
This is great! A crap(apart from Jagger's vocal) new song from another greatest hits album and ticket prices funnier than a kick in the head.
Now i love blase, corporate and out of touch piss-take as much as the next person but this is beyond all expectation.
Now just gotta decide whether to sell one of my Gibsons and go to see a band that can hardly play without sidemen anymore or buy tickets for 2/3 gigs on the upcoming Jim Jones Revue tour and enjoy some passionate and heartfelt rock n roll with enough dosh left over to get trolleyed in the bar.

Let us know when you make your decision

Why-You interested in Jim Jones tickets?

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StayLoose
This is great! A crap(apart from Jagger's vocal) new song from another greatest hits album and ticket prices funnier than a kick in the head.
Now i love blase, corporate and out of touch piss-take as much as the next person but this is beyond all expectation.
Now just gotta decide whether to sell one of my Gibsons and go to see a band that can hardly play without sidemen anymore or buy tickets for 2/3 gigs on the upcoming Jim Jones Revue tour and enjoy some passionate and heartfelt rock n roll with enough dosh left over to get trolleyed in the bar.

Let us know when you make your decision

Why-You interested in Jim Jones tickets?

Wot, you're not drinking the Kool Aid yet?