The First of The Last Three Shows The Stones Ever Played.
August 21-23-26

So what's next .......

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Big Ed
The First of The Last Three Shows The Stones Ever Played.
August 21-23-26

So what's next .......

If that's how history indeed records it, after all is truly said and done, then your post will deserve to be remembered for its remarkable prescience.

i was there for all three with the fan Asylum group...amazing shows...thought it might be the last, hope it's not.... waiting for the announcement

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Big Ed
The First of The Last Three Shows The Stones Ever Played.
August 21-23-26

So what's next .......

Yep, good question. I periodically awaken this thread I started a long long time ago, asking much the same question. Interesting to get peoples' views as to whether or not those shows MIGHT have been the last ever ....

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It was a very nice week and one to remember.
We had 5, 6 and 7th Row and met some Fan Asylum friends from previous events.
So many things have changed since then. Not only the vague situation about the Stones, but also in our own lives.

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Big Ed
The First of The Last Three Shows The Stones Ever Played.
August 21-23-26

So what's next .......

Yep, good question. I periodically awaken this thread I started a long long time ago, asking much the same question. Interesting to get peoples' views as to whether or not those shows MIGHT have been the last ever ....

[www.iorr.org]

Whether they will perform again or not, I think those shows will be remembered as an end of an era. The clip the band released in their site of those shows, has always made me think think that they also knew that they will never ever again continue this way they have since 1989 (taking the band to tour every few yaers for two/three years). Especially melancholic, even sad-sounding Keith Richards, in the middle of English rain, looks and sounds like he knows that this will be the last moment he will live like this - being on the road with THE band. We perhaps never will know what it took for him to finish the tour. This feeling has come tro mind occasionally ever since - watching them gathering together for SHINE A LIGHT premieres, which seemed much more imporetant deal for them than "just another" film made of them. Then LIFE, which is full of Keith's passional testament of the past, and not really caring for the future, or showing his famous loyalty to the band. And then Jagger opening the vaults (a kind of thing quite many of us couldn't even dream of during the 90's or early 00's.)

That said, I believe they will have some shows in their belt still, but it will not be like before. Now it will be really "extra" whatever will happen, and I think we should mentally repaired ourselves for that. Be there Wyman, Taylor or whoever, or not, or the band doing blues standards, acoustic sets, war horses or whatever, doesn't matter musically. It is just them being there, and performing to their fans. Five years is a long time. And fifty years is a damn long time.

- Doxa



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Well said, Doxa.
Couldn't agree more.

Phil

Good post Doxa !!!
i agree totally
jeroen

On july 25th 1987 it was five years since they played their last live show in Roundhay
Park, Leeds. It would take another two years and a month before they'd start another tour
that no one had expected in 1987.

Just as long as the guitar plays, let it steal your heart away

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On july 25th 1987 it was five years since they played their last live show in Roundhay
Park, Leeds. It would take another two years and a month before they'd start another tour
that no one had expected in 1987.

I was at that last show of the 82 tour and by 87 thought it was all over . Glad I got a "bonus" 20 years and was able to attend the last O2 show.Difference is in another 2 years time will have ran out for them, if it hasn't aleady.


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Doxa
That said, I believe they will have some shows in their belt still, but it will not be like before. Now it will be really "extra" whatever will happen, and I think we should mentally repaired ourselves for that. Be there Wyman, Taylor or whoever, or not, or the band doing blues standards, acoustic sets, war horses or whatever, doesn't matter musically. It is just them being there, and performing to their fans. Five years is a long time. And fifty years is a damn long time.

To me, it matters musically. If they're going to play shows again, I want them to be good. Yes it'll be nice to see them on stage again but not at the cost of them embarrassing themselves with a half-assed attempt at playing music. Yes, The Stones are known for being somewhat sloppy on stage and we give them a free pass while other bands are called lousy for doing the same thing on stage. But, if they're going to get up there and completely embarrass themselves, then what is the point? Other than our selfish desire to see them on stage together again? Musically, it matters. It's ALL about the music. They are a band, first and foremost. It's not "just them being there". If we're going to pay a ton of money just to see "them being there" and give them a free pass over a subpar performance, then as music fans, we are selling out.

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marcovandereijk
On july 25th 1987 it was five years since they played their last live show in Roundhay
Park, Leeds. It would take another two years and a month before they'd start another tour
that no one had expected in 1987.

But the point is that it is not the 80's any longer and men rearching their middle age, but that of 2010's and the men deep in their senior years. Back then - 1987 - we didn't expect them to perform again due to their unwillingness but we didn't doubt a sec of their capability to do that. We thought they had call it quits due to their artistic choice (Jagger's that is). But now the issue is whether they are able to do that even though there is a will. So I'm not happy with drawing analogies to the past. That was then, and now is now. Most likely is in Jagger's hands what will happen now, like it was then, but I suppose his reasons now, a quarter century later, might be quite different.

I think the problem in making analogies to the past, is that it takes them to be almost supermen who always seem to be as strong and same as ever, and not seeing them aging, and changing a lot in the process, as any of us human beings, which always limits the options to choose. To an extent they have tried to maintain that superman image, and I sometimes feel like people believe that they actually are going to last forever.

My quess is that the biggest problem they have now is how to reach somehow the level they had in 2007, and they, as I think many of us has noticed, had already too many struggles in trying to keep the act together then. I think the hinted plan to reduce a traditional grand scale tour more to individual locations, is not due to artistic choice but that of necessity. But this is just my guess how the things are behind the screen.

- Doxa

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Doxa
That said, I believe they will have some shows in their belt still, but it will not be like before. Now it will be really "extra" whatever will happen, and I think we should mentally repaired ourselves for that. Be there Wyman, Taylor or whoever, or not, or the band doing blues standards, acoustic sets, war horses or whatever, doesn't matter musically. It is just them being there, and performing to their fans. Five years is a long time. And fifty years is a damn long time.

To me, it matters musically. If they're going to play shows again, I want them to be good. Yes it'll be nice to see them on stage again but not at the cost of them embarrassing themselves with a half-assed attempt at playing music. Yes, The Stones are known for being somewhat sloppy on stage and we give them a free pass while other bands are called lousy for doing the same thing on stage. But, if they're going to get up there and completely embarrass themselves, then what is the point? Other than our selfish desire to see them on stage together again? Musically, it matters. It's ALL about the music. They are a band, first and foremost. It's not "just them being there". If we're going to pay a ton of money just to see "them being there" and give them a free pass over a subpar performance, then as music fans, we are selling out.

I can hear you, and there is a tough music critic in me, who agrees very much with you. But I think the expectations to think them of coming stronger and better, say in 2007, are unrealistic to my eyes. I can't think of them coming out of the musical box they've been since 1989 - that old dogs can't really learn new tricks. I think they have pretty much fixed idea by now what the Stones are like, and supposed to sound like. Maybe they need to alter show or sound a bit since they simply can't reach the old ones (for example, fix Keith's role), but I wouldn't expect the changes making the whole thing musically somehow better. Even having Taylor or, much better, Wyman onboard would have a historical/nostalgic/image/fan pleasing effect, but I don't think it would lift the music considerably higher. In the case of Wyman/Taylor it will be "just having them there". Maybe some diehard taylorite would have a hard-on if there is a glimpse of classical taylorian solo, but it would not change the big picture (and even in that case, I claim the erection, or even orgasm, would not be due to Taylor's actual greatness but that of 37/8 yaers of dream to finally come true, him "being there" and playing something).

No, I don't think we will seem them ever REAllY embarrassing themselves - Jagger wouldn't allow that to happen - and even in their worst moments they really are entertaining (Keith has already made art of that) but I think we should keep our expectations musically rather low. And, of course, we all have our own feet with which to vote if there is a problem way too big.

- Doxa

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Grison
So many things have changed since then. Not only the vague situation about the Stones, but also in our own lives.

my life is EXACTLY as it was then. except for this wart on my left index finger.

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Grison
So many things have changed since then. Not only the vague situation about the Stones, but also in our own lives.

my life is EXACTLY as it was then. except for this wart on my left index finger.

Pic please.

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Grison
So many things have changed since then. Not only the vague situation about the Stones, but also in our own lives.

my life is EXACTLY as it was then. except for this wart on my left index finger.

Pic please.

i don't have before/after pix...only before...

Very well stated, Doxa. I was at all three of those shows and still remember the letdown I felt when the final bow was taken that last night. Ever since then I have wondered if indeed that was the last time I will ever see them perform live, I hope I'll be proved wrong!

Lose your dreams and you will lose your mind...

Two out of three ain't bad - and if I wasn't at the last ever Stones concert, the first two were a pretty good way to say goodbye.

No picture to speak of in this - recorded on a mobile from far, far away - but the sound is passable:

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Doxa
Now it will be really "extra" whatever will happen, and I think we should mentally repaired ourselves for that. Be there Wyman, Taylor or whoever, or not, or the band doing blues standards, acoustic sets, war horses or whatever, doesn't matter musically. It is just them being there, and performing to their fans.

Well for FFS, You've finally come around. Now we both can just sit and enjoy the proceedings



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Now it will be really "extra" whatever will happen, and I think we should mentally repaired ourselves for that. Be there Wyman, Taylor or whoever, or not, or the band doing blues standards, acoustic sets, war horses or whatever, doesn't matter musically. It is just them being there, and performing to their fans.

Well for FFS, You've finally come around. Now we both can just sit and enjoy the proceedings

Coming around? The link refers to a discussion concerning a possible bootleg series relaese (LIGHT THE FUSE), and I quite clearly state there that I always emjoy being present in 'Vegas era' Stones concerts but not interested in listening or watching official releases or bootlegs of them afterwards. . Personally I think I realized the fixed nature of 'modern' Stones during BRIDGES TO BABYLON TOUR, and somehow coming to terms with the celebrative nature of it during LICKS TOUR. (The whole concept of 'Vegas Era', as a part of our IORRean folklore, didn't occur, however, until A BIGGER BANG TOUR.) What I tried here to say was that that we shouldn't expect them to be any better, or even that good, as they were in 2007. To be strict, I think we have been in 'extra time' since 1989, but now we will get an extra time even for that. So it is extra time multiplied by two... My 'advice' was addressed to fellow fans who might have some higher (unrealistic ) expectations now. Now it really is just having them on stage. Even the Vegas era quality standards might be behind us now.

But yeah, let us enjoy the proceedings (even though I presume that there not will be much to home to write when all is said and done, that is, much musically worth remembering once the party is over).

- Doxa

My post from that thread mirrors your sentiments here.

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As I said, any performances coming up are purely bonus rounds and victory laps....a hello and goodbye to fans. So all this armchair critics analysis waiting for the next note to be played, waiting to see if Keith can rise to occassion, waiting to see if they can still play CYHMK or if they can still write a great new number one single...TOO LATE! They may pretend to come in and try to impress us with all that but this tour is now just a celebration of all of them together.

I've been to 7 Beach Boys shows this last month and they've named their tour...not a "Reunion" tour but a "Celebration" tour. They are celebrating being together, celebrating the music and most of all, they are celebrating the fans. It isn't about how many deep cuts they're playing or who's singing what...it's about the fans seeing these guys together again and saying goodbye.

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Doxa
Now it will be really "extra" whatever will happen, and I think we should mentally repaired ourselves for that. Be there Wyman, Taylor or whoever, or not, or the band doing blues standards, acoustic sets, war horses or whatever, doesn't matter musically. It is just them being there, and performing to their fans.

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Justin
My post from that thread mirrors your sentiments here.

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Justin
As I said, any performances coming up are purely bonus rounds and victory laps....a hello and goodbye to fans. So all this armchair critics analysis waiting for the next note to be played, waiting to see if Keith can rise to occassion, waiting to see if they can still play CYHMK or if they can still write a great new number one single...TOO LATE! They may pretend to come in and try to impress us with all that but this tour is now just a celebration of all of them together.

I've been to 7 Beach Boys shows this last month and they've named their tour...not a "Reunion" tour but a "Celebration" tour. They are celebrating being together, celebrating the music and most of all, they are celebrating the fans. It isn't about how many deep cuts they're playing or who's singing what...it's about the fans seeing these guys together again and saying goodbye.

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Doxa
Now it will be really "extra" whatever will happen, and I think we should mentally repaired ourselves for that. Be there Wyman, Taylor or whoever, or not, or the band doing blues standards, acoustic sets, war horses or whatever, doesn't matter musically. It is just them being there, and performing to their fans.

Exactly!

(Besides, I remember not ever much disagreeing with your views, even though you may think I do...)


- Doxa



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Here here, Doxa

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Grison
So many things have changed since then. Not only the vague situation about the Stones, but also in our own lives.

my life is EXACTLY as it was then. except for this wart on my left index finger.

Do you mean the same shitty as then or as it is today ??
or the same pleasure you had then and today??

If you don't change you don't move and if you don't move and think you might be already dead since yesterday. And who want's to read yesterday's paper except for historical reason but not for live ?

I was there for all three shows, and a couple of Prince shows, as well. Around the 15th row with my family on the 21st - security guards were very nice to my 9 year old daughter, giving her ear plugs and a Keith pick that dropped from the moving B-Stage. On the last show, I was first row against the B-Stage. The one thing I regret is leaving that last show before the final bows so that I could catch the tube back. Hoping for one last show . . . .

wow, five years ago allready...

Life's just a cocktail party on the street

Five years ago...Keith gave me his plec at the b-stage.