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Well said. Glad someone's pointing out what makes this 4th release of the bootleg series so good.
It's IORR humour, you haven't been around long enough to get it. 7 years ain't enough...
Well said, otonneau. They never would have made the seventies when they still would have played like in the sixties. And they never would have made the nineties if they still woud have played like in 1981/82. In comparison to other bands they were always able to set a new level if it was needed. They already missed the 80`s and the people expected much more quality from live shows in every way they did in the 70`s (visually, soundwise, videos, catering, merchandising). And they kicked ass at the time. We were so happy to see them fresh alive and kicking after all these 8o`s crap years.
But with all my enthusiasm in 1989/90 as a Stones fan a had to deal with things I didn`t like (in fact I hated): the second synth on stage, the fake harp played by Matt Clifford (absolutly NO GO ), Mick`s haircut...
And at this point I understand Mathijs : yes , the Stones are fresh but there are things and arrangments of songs that you don`t wanna hear really and you never wanna hear again.
On the other hand I could argue the same with the 1975 tour arrangements. I never really liked the synth-intros by Billy Preston (Angie, Wild Horses) and his synth-solos in some numbers. What would people say here if Matt Clifford would have played a synth - intro on Wild Horses? (luckily he never could).
Luckily they kicked Matt Clifford out and stripped down from there on. More acoustic guitars on VLT ( like Sweet Virginia) , a real harp, the b-stage later on, club-gigs and in the end the horn-section far in the background (that`s what I liked on the Bigger Bang Tour).
All in all a great release from a fresh sounding band. But these synths...arrgh
Tom
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-15 00:12 by electricmud.
wasn't there a money-back-no-questions-asked guarantee??
Guess if I'd done it the illegal way it would not have bugged me so much...oh well.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-15 01:34 by shadooby.
that's the genius of the whole illegal thing. if i don't like it, i can return it for a full refund.
I´ve heard them, but never as good as this.
Almost Hear You Sigh, 2000 Light Years From Home, Bitch, Midnight Rambler and Paint It Black justify this release getting some occasional spins monthly, imo.
Isn´t this SFTD version released on Flashpoint before but shortened,edited...somewhat ?
More "raw" but still very slick
Slick and raw!! Hey that's the way you like 'em isn't it?
Excepting 1990 of course
Ahhhhh the stone face.
I always wondered how the Stones got there name.
Is there nothing Bill can't do?
Only "dancing". Rest is covered by Bill.
Really, imo there's much too much criticism!
Whether one likes a certain tour or boot is one thing, - and i'd vote for 60/70's material anytime for shure.
But see all these Stones releases in the last few years. What is there to grumble at? Particularly with these prices!
When I think about all those lots of money I/we spent on terrible bootlegs! Now we get complete, good quality shows for just a few bucks and there is more to come for shure. So a few releases I don't like too much don't really worry me.
this release doesn´t worry me at all as well.
I simply don´t want it but hoping for the next to be more interesting.
actually you can,but only one in stock and...
[www.jpc.de]
You saying its no longer clear who is the mountain?
Poor Bob [sounds like good Zep song title]
for the years after we're all dead and gone?
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Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
Whale
()
Date: July 14, 2012 15:47
Don't know about the hilarious, but dead-on it is.Quote
dcbaQuote
Mathijs
Short review of the show…score’s 1 to 5. 1 is unlistenable, 5 is 70’s Stones at their peak.
Mathijs
This review is hilarious... and dead-on!
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: July 14, 2012 22:24
Quote
otonneau
These guys are REALLY playing, I don't think they're going through the numbers at all, contrary to what many say on here. Sure, from 89 onwards they raised their level of professionalism so all shows were very strong and a kick for all who were there I'm sure, as opposed to the hit-and-miss of previous years. But you can still hear, from the small tidbits thrown here and there, that on some nights they not only do it; they love doing it. Tokyo 1990 is one of these shows when it is obvious to me that the band is enjoying PLAYING MUSIC, whereas often they seem to play music as a means of being onstage, which is what they love.
I don't understand the outcries at this release. It's one of the strongest shows of one of the strongest incarnations of the band. It sure has aged quite a bit, but it's still an excellent snapshot of a defining moment in the band's existence.
Well said. Glad someone's pointing out what makes this 4th release of the bootleg series so good.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: July 14, 2012 22:58
"Also the SW tour had a horn section that actually performed line dance in matching outfits [!], three dedicated backup singers, two keyboard players, lots of stairs and balcony's..."
And have you forgotten the terminally dreadful inflatable onstage doll(s?)? ><
It/they went during HTW.
And have you forgotten the terminally dreadful inflatable onstage doll(s?)? >
<It/they went during HTW.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: July 14, 2012 23:01
Quote
WhaleDon't know about the hilarious, but dead-on it is.Quote
dcbaQuote
Mathijs
Short review of the show…score’s 1 to 5. 1 is unlistenable, 5 is 70’s Stones at their peak.
Mathijs
This review is hilarious... and dead-on!
It's IORR humour, you haven't been around long enough to get it. 7 years ain't enough...
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
electricmud
()
Date: July 14, 2012 23:38
Quote
otonneau
After THAT, the time when you could come onstage dressed as an american footballer with a hoarse voice and play 10 minute versions of noodlin' on two chords (Just My Imagination) was OVER - at least if you're gonna boast being "the greatest rock n' roll in the world". The Stones HAD to up their game and they did: 89-90 shows are a huge party machine, you could dance on that stuff. And the times were all about having a party, not about fighting in the streets; and the Stones were NOT rebels anymore and didn't pretend. They did everything right at the time, and the fact that we cannot stand the sound of synthetizers anymore is irrelevant. And, there is still a lot of light-hearted fun to get from recordings such as this one.
Well said, otonneau. They never would have made the seventies when they still would have played like in the sixties. And they never would have made the nineties if they still woud have played like in 1981/82. In comparison to other bands they were always able to set a new level if it was needed. They already missed the 80`s and the people expected much more quality from live shows in every way they did in the 70`s (visually, soundwise, videos, catering, merchandising). And they kicked ass at the time. We were so happy to see them fresh alive and kicking after all these 8o`s crap years.
But with all my enthusiasm in 1989/90 as a Stones fan a had to deal with things I didn`t like (in fact I hated): the second synth on stage, the fake harp played by Matt Clifford (absolutly NO GO ), Mick`s haircut...
And at this point I understand Mathijs : yes , the Stones are fresh but there are things and arrangments of songs that you don`t wanna hear really and you never wanna hear again.
On the other hand I could argue the same with the 1975 tour arrangements. I never really liked the synth-intros by Billy Preston (Angie, Wild Horses) and his synth-solos in some numbers. What would people say here if Matt Clifford would have played a synth - intro on Wild Horses? (luckily he never could).
Luckily they kicked Matt Clifford out and stripped down from there on. More acoustic guitars on VLT ( like Sweet Virginia) , a real harp, the b-stage later on, club-gigs and in the end the horn-section far in the background (that`s what I liked on the Bigger Bang Tour).
All in all a great release from a fresh sounding band. But these synths...arrgh
Tom
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-15 00:12 by electricmud.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
shadooby
()
Date: July 15, 2012 00:54
For those of you wondering as I was, I have downloaded and this is without a doubt the exact same show as Cold Steel Blue but with less treble and more bass. Personally I prefer CSB and if I'd have known would not have bought it.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-15 01:34 by shadooby.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-15 01:34 by shadooby.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: July 15, 2012 01:16
Quote
shadooby
For those of you wondering as I was, I have downloaded and this is without a doubt the exact same shaow as Cold Steel Blue but with less treble and more bass. Personally I prefer CSB and if I'd have known would not have bought it.
wasn't there a money-back-no-questions-asked guarantee??
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
shadooby
()
Date: July 15, 2012 01:31
Quote
StonesTodQuote
shadooby
For those of you wondering as I was, I have downloaded and this is without a doubt the exact same show as Cold Steel Blue but with less treble and more bass. Personally I prefer CSB and if I'd have known would not have bought it.
wasn't there a money-back-no-questions-asked guarantee??
Guess if I'd done it the illegal way it would not have bugged me so much...oh well.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-15 01:34 by shadooby.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
ryanpow
()
Date: July 15, 2012 03:41
OK, I think I've OD'd on this one right about now. The next time I put on a stones show It'l probably be LA Friday.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: July 15, 2012 17:19
Quote
shadoobyQuote
StonesTodQuote
shadooby
For those of you wondering as I was, I have downloaded and this is without a doubt the exact same show as Cold Steel Blue but with less treble and more bass. Personally I prefer CSB and if I'd have known would not have bought it.
wasn't there a money-back-no-questions-asked guarantee??
Guess if I'd done it the illegal way it would not have bugged me so much...oh well.
that's the genius of the whole illegal thing. if i don't like it, i can return it for a full refund.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
neylon79
()
Date: July 18, 2012 22:51
Got the show and I am about halfway through it. I like it a lot, though I never would have picked it for a release with so much great vintage material in the vaults.
It is what it is, very 80s. Bad synth sounds, too much reverb at points, very polished, very trebley and not much warmth. Just like a lot of 80s material. I've always thought that if you could mix steel wheels from the multi tracks today you could make a very good album, instead of a good album that sounds 80s. I feel the same way here.
I agree with most on the Vegas comments, but I do like how well keith could still play and how the songs are well rehearsed. My first introduction to live stones was video of this tour and the VL tour, so I have some nostalgia at play. Over all I like the sound of the VL tour better, but this show has pleasantly surprised me so far.
It is what it is, very 80s. Bad synth sounds, too much reverb at points, very polished, very trebley and not much warmth. Just like a lot of 80s material. I've always thought that if you could mix steel wheels from the multi tracks today you could make a very good album, instead of a good album that sounds 80s. I feel the same way here.
I agree with most on the Vegas comments, but I do like how well keith could still play and how the songs are well rehearsed. My first introduction to live stones was video of this tour and the VL tour, so I have some nostalgia at play. Over all I like the sound of the VL tour better, but this show has pleasantly surprised me so far.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
DandelionPowderman
()
Date: July 18, 2012 23:41
Quote
Mathijs
Short review of the show…score’s 1 to 5. 1 is unlistenable, 5 is 70’s Stones at their peak.
- Start Me Up: Nice opener, better than in ’82, but too clean for my taste. 2
- Bitch: Nice version! Fast and raw, guitar driven and not too brass driven. 3
- Sad Sad Sad: Totally forgettable. 1
- Harlem Shuffle: very, very nice groove, great bass, some nice guitar work. 4
- Tumbling Dice: Solid performance, but boring as hell. But it does show what the Stones miss since Wyman left: swing and groove. 2
- Miss You: un-listenable, even though tempo and guitars are better than any version since ’94. But those keyboards man….1
- Ruby Tuesday: Never been a favorite of mine, but I like Richards’ acoustic even though they turned it into a schmaltzy sing-along. And what a dreadful fake recorder that is…2
- Almost Hear You Sigh: very, very nice. Excellent guitars, Jagger’s vocals are great. 4
- Rock And A Hard Place. The new songs are much more interesting than the old ones, again nice guitar work, especially Richards is on fire. Never heard those Spanish licks before! 4
- Mixed Emotions: Nice version, nice tempo, quite raw and back to basic. Spoiled by awful horns on the ending. 3
- Honky Tonk Women: this adds absolutely nothing at all. I don’t think I’ll ever need to hear this song again. 1
- Midnight Rambler: Any version of Rambler is nice. Watts is fantastic, and again Wyman is sorely missed. But it doesn’t hold a candle to LA 75. The danger is gone. 3
- You Can’t Always Get What You Want: Horrible. Vegas style sing-a-long for the masses. 2
- Can’t Be Seen: totally forgettable, and a mess. 1
- Happy: I just don’t ever need to listen to this version, or any version after ’78, again. 1
- Paint It Black: Nice, I like Richards guitar, and it’s played fast. Watts and Wyman are on fire. 4
- 2000 Light Years From Home: best track of the set, just really good. Dark and dangerous, Richards is fantastic. It would be a 5, but it gets a 4 due to the horrid outro with that horrid synth guitar solo.
- Sympathy For The Devil: Next please. 1
- Gimme Shelter: it’s better than any version since 94 due to the faster tempo, and Richards and Wood actually playing. 3
- It’s Only Rock’n Roll: good up-tempo version, nice guitars. Just some good, professional latter day Stones. 3
- Brown Sugar. If I want to listen to Brown Sugar I’ll listen to a ’72 or ’75 version. Next please. 2
- Satisfaction: The 90’s version of Satisfaction where probably the best versions they have ever done (if we forget the ’69 MSG versions…). Nice tempo, grooving bass and great guitars. Still, the synths make it all very music-for-the-masses, like a tuxedo band on a wedding. I wouldn’t have been surprised if the next track would have been ‘Paradise by the Dashboard Light’. 4
- Jumping Jack Flash: Nice version. Very professional. Tad too slick. 3
So, what do we have: latter day, very professional Stones, bordering on being too slick and professional. When the brass and synths come in they cross that border, but when these are kept to a minimum they actually sound like a good band. Interesting is that, as with all tours after this one, only the new songs seem to be interesting, and seem to make especially Wood and Richards focus. With the older songs they just go on automatic, but with the new songs they seem to concentrate more and better. Rock and a Hard Place will always be a mediocre song, but all are working hard to make it something special. I guess after a few days this release will be put back into the archive, only to be listened to once in a year, whereas something like LA 75 gets a spin a couple of times per week. That’s the difference a fantastic band, and a professional band.
Mathijs
I´ve heard them, but never as good as this.
Almost Hear You Sigh, 2000 Light Years From Home, Bitch, Midnight Rambler and Paint It Black justify this release getting some occasional spins monthly, imo.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
theimposter
()
Date: July 19, 2012 00:10
I am also pleasantly surprised by this after waiting a full week to get it. It's a good, energetic and tight performance. Jagger is better hear than I remembered from that tour. Highlights are definitely "Bitch", "Harlem Shuffle", "Ruby Tuesday" and some fantastic harp from Mick on "Rambler". And wow, Keith is actually playing his arse off here. I miss those days.
I am notocing a trend - and perhaps it is coincidence. the 75, 81, and 89 tours all previously were represented by officially releases that were generally disliked by most. I wonder if the intention is to now give us GOOD official live documents of those tours since the dropped the ball the other times?
I am notocing a trend - and perhaps it is coincidence. the 75, 81, and 89 tours all previously were represented by officially releases that were generally disliked by most. I wonder if the intention is to now give us GOOD official live documents of those tours since the dropped the ball the other times?
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: July 21, 2012 00:13
Don't know if its been mentioned, but I did listen (finally) and the ARCHIVE release is more complete than the bootleg versions of TOKYO 1990. It must've been edited for the TV broadcast.
SFTD is almost 2 full minutes longer with Keith solos on the ARCHIVE release for instance.
It turns out to still be from 1990 though...just longer
SFTD is almost 2 full minutes longer with Keith solos on the ARCHIVE release for instance.
It turns out to still be from 1990 though...just longer
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
()
Date: July 21, 2012 00:20
Some official clips now up on the popular youtube
Here's one with a great still-picture - of the stone face
Here's one with a great still-picture - of the stone face
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
shortfatfanny
()
Date: July 21, 2012 00:20
Quote
Munichhilton
Don't know if its been mentioned, but I did listen (finally) and the ARCHIVE release is more complete than the bootleg versions of TOKYO 1990. It must've been edited for the TV broadcast.
SFTD is almost 2 full minutes longer with Keith solos on the ARCHIVE release for instance.
It turns out to still be from 1990 though...just longer
Isn´t this SFTD version released on Flashpoint before but shortened,edited...somewhat ?
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: July 21, 2012 00:27
Yeah Flashpoint SFTD is from the 26th too, but I'm pretty sure most of Flashpoint is edited/overdubbed in some way.
The archive has it more raw. Kind of cool, for 1990.
The archive has it more raw. Kind of cool, for 1990.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
()
Date: July 21, 2012 00:29
Quote
Munichhilton
Yeah Flashpoint SFTD is from the 26th too, but I'm pretty sure most of Flashpoint is edited/overdubbed in some way.
The archive has it more raw. Kind of cool, for 1990.
More "raw" but still very slick
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: July 21, 2012 00:31
Quote
Erik_SnowQuote
Munichhilton
Yeah Flashpoint SFTD is from the 26th too, but I'm pretty sure most of Flashpoint is edited/overdubbed in some way.
The archive has it more raw. Kind of cool, for 1990.
More "raw" but still very slick
Slick and raw!! Hey that's the way you like 'em isn't it?
Excepting 1990 of course
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: July 21, 2012 00:32
Quote
Erik_Snow
Some official clips now up on the popular youtube
Here's one with a great still-picture - of the stone face
Ahhhhh the stone face.
I always wondered how the Stones got there name.
Is there nothing Bill can't do?
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
()
Date: July 21, 2012 00:34
Quote
MunichhiltonQuote
Erik_Snow
Some official clips now up on the popular youtube
Here's one with a great still-picture - of the stone face
Ahhhhh the stone face.
I always wondered how the Stones got there name.
Is there nothing Bill can't do?
Only "dancing". Rest is covered by Bill.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
CousinC
()
Date: July 21, 2012 18:57
Quote
shadoobyQuote
StonesTodQuote
shadooby
For those of you wondering as I was, I have downloaded and this is without a doubt the exact same show as Cold Steel Blue but with less treble and more bass. Personally I prefer CSB and if I'd have known would not have bought it.
wasn't there a money-back-no-questions-asked guarantee??
Guess if I'd done it the illegal way it would not have bugged me so much...oh well.
Really, imo there's much too much criticism!
Whether one likes a certain tour or boot is one thing, - and i'd vote for 60/70's material anytime for shure.
But see all these Stones releases in the last few years. What is there to grumble at? Particularly with these prices!
When I think about all those lots of money I/we spent on terrible bootlegs! Now we get complete, good quality shows for just a few bucks and there is more to come for shure. So a few releases I don't like too much don't really worry me.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
shortfatfanny
()
Date: July 21, 2012 19:06
Quote
CousinCQuote
shadoobyQuote
StonesTodQuote
shadooby
For those of you wondering as I was, I have downloaded and this is without a doubt the exact same show as Cold Steel Blue but with less treble and more bass. Personally I prefer CSB and if I'd have known would not have bought it.
wasn't there a money-back-no-questions-asked guarantee??
Guess if I'd done it the illegal way it would not have bugged me so much...oh well.
Really, imo there's much too much criticism!
Whether one likes a certain tour or boot is one thing, - and i'd vote for 60/70's material anytime for shure.
But see all these Stones releases in the last few years. What is there to grumble at? Particularly with these prices!
When I think about all those lots of money I/we spent on terrible bootlegs! Now we get complete, good quality shows for just a few bucks and there is more to come for shure. So a few releases I don't like too much don't really worry me.
this release doesn´t worry me at all as well.
I simply don´t want it but hoping for the next to be more interesting.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
muenke
()
Date: July 21, 2012 22:24
I don´t get the "reason" for this release, there is so much better/interesting stuff in the vaults. Perhaps it´s a special thing for the japanse market, as our japanese friends (hi!
) always have some special stuff (would love to buy the LSTNT-BluRay in europe ...
) always have some special stuff (would love to buy the LSTNT-BluRay in europe ...Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
RobertJohnson
()
Date: July 21, 2012 22:34
I recommend highly to you to download "Seventh of July" from our mate stonesmuziekfan. He is the "better Clearmountain" by far. Thank you very much for your great work, stonesmuziekfan:
[www.iorr.org]
[www.iorr.org]
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
shortfatfanny
()
Date: July 21, 2012 22:55
Quote
muenke
I don´t get the "reason" for this release, there is so much better/interesting stuff in the vaults. Perhaps it´s a special thing for the japanse market, as our japanese friends (hi!
actually you can,but only one in stock and...
[www.jpc.de]
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: July 21, 2012 23:14
Quote
RobertJohnson
I recommend highly to you to download "Seventh of July" from our mate stonesmuziekfan. He is the "better Clearmountain" by far. Thank you very much for your great work, stonesmuziekfan:
[www.iorr.org]
You saying its no longer clear who is the mountain?
Poor Bob [sounds like good Zep song title]
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
flacnvinyl
()
Date: July 23, 2012 06:35
Just finished listening to it.. What a boring release. Sound is just mush. Too much room and synth. Too polished. Mostly forgettable performances. Just boring. I am shocked this was included in the archive releases.
Sell us Paradiso 95!
Sell us Paradiso 95!
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
CousinC
()
Date: July 23, 2012 16:28
I think they keep a lot of the good stuff for the years after.
Re: Tokyo Dome show on Google Music
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: July 23, 2012 16:46
Quote
CousinC
I think they keep a lot of the good stuff for the years after.
for the years after we're all dead and gone?
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