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Yes and no, they've shown that they can cooperate like on the projects you mentioned above and others like career-spanning compilations like 40 Licks and GRRR!, but as far as I know there's still no general agreement, it's always project-based, therefore we had Satanic, Beggars & Bleed anniversary sets without any unreleased bonus material. There was talk some time ago that the Stones supposedly tried to buy the rights back from ABKCO to get full control over their entire catalog, but nothing came to frution so far (or otherwise it would be the best kept secret in the world!).
Meanwhile, a lot of 60's live and studio material have entered the public domain due to EC copyright legislation and the Stones did nothing to prevent this by allowing ABKCO to release the material in question timely enough (like Dylan, for example).
There's talk behind the scenes that next year's 60th anniversary will not only see the release of the all-new album but also more archive material, some in cooperation with ABKCO, but I'm not allowed to go into further details here.
Let's just wait and see what they have in store for us next year!
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The Satanic Majesties album had those bootlegs which contained multiple alternative takes of songs on the released album.There are hours of alternate takes of songs from the Let it Be Sessions There was an Imagine deluxe release with dozens of alternate album takes. Do you think the Stones or ABKCO still have these types of recordings for albums like Beggars Banquet or Let it Bleed or have they been lost or thrown away
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No interest in outtakes. Stones end result is almost always the best. Unless a song is done a different tempo, etc, there's not much in the outtakes.
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No interest in outtakes. Stones end result is almost always the best. Unless a song is done a different tempo, etc, there's not much in the outtakes.
okay no interest in studio outtakes
how bout a complete box set of all the shows that where recorded for got live if you want it in 65 and 66 plus the shows from ireland in 65 all properly cleaned up and mixed into stereo
what are the chances all these tapes still exist or where properly digitized
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No interest in outtakes. Stones end result is almost always the best. Unless a song is done a different tempo, etc, there's not much in the outtakes.
okay no interest in studio outtakes
how bout a complete box set of all the shows that where recorded for got live if you want it in 65 and 66 plus the shows from ireland in 65 all properly cleaned up and mixed into stereo
what are the chances all these tapes still exist or where properly digitized
All the tapes you mentioned were "touched" for the 2012 release of "Charlie Is My Darling", in particular for the live UK 1965 bonus disc (wich is a compilation from various shows). And they sound great imo! So you can bet that everything is in safe storage.
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No interest in outtakes. Stones end result is almost always the best. Unless a song is done a different tempo, etc, there's not much in the outtakes.
okay no interest in studio outtakes
how bout a complete box set of all the shows that where recorded for got live if you want it in 65 and 66 plus the shows from ireland in 65 all properly cleaned up and mixed into stereo
what are the chances all these tapes still exist or where properly digitized
All the tapes you mentioned were "touched" for the 2012 release of "Charlie Is My Darling", in particular for the live UK 1965 bonus disc (wich is a compilation from various shows). And they sound great imo! So you can bet that everything is in safe storage.
that's great i suspected that because of the uk 65 release but what about the tapes from 66
also what about the tapes for the radio broadcasts of there shows (honolulu 66 the paris shows from 65-67 and melbourne/sydney 66) do they still exist does abcko have them have they been digitized
i seem to remember tracks from these shows being released for the copyright extension releases but does that mean they have the tapes and right to them
sorry if i'm bugging you just courious
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No interest in outtakes. Stones end result is almost always the best. Unless a song is done a different tempo, etc, there's not much in the outtakes.
okay no interest in studio outtakes
how bout a complete box set of all the shows that where recorded for got live if you want it in 65 and 66 plus the shows from ireland in 65 all properly cleaned up and mixed into stereo
what are the chances all these tapes still exist or where properly digitized
All the tapes you mentioned were "touched" for the 2012 release of "Charlie Is My Darling", in particular for the live UK 1965 bonus disc (wich is a compilation from various shows). And they sound great imo! So you can bet that everything is in safe storage.
that's great i suspected that because of the uk 65 release but what about the tapes from 66
also what about the tapes for the radio broadcasts of there shows (honolulu 66 the paris shows from 65-67 and melbourne/sydney 66) do they still exist does abcko have them have they been digitized
i seem to remember tracks from these shows being released for the copyright extension releases but does that mean they have the tapes and right to them
sorry if i'm bugging you just courious
As far as I know ABKCO never brought any "external" master tapes (like the french & australian broadcasts you mentioned) into their physical possession. Consequently, for their "copyright extension" releases they simply used existing bootlegs. A rather fishy move imo, because a "legal release" to constitute a copyright extension according to EC laws requires legal agreements of all parties concerned - in this case ABKCO as the Stones contractual record company for the time period in question, the Stones themselves as performing artists PLUS the respective radio stations as legal holders of the master tapes. I strongly doubt that such a legal agreement between all parties concerned actually exists. Everything looks like ABKCO just did these releases on their own and hopes this will hold up at court one day.
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No interest in outtakes. Stones end result is almost always the best. Unless a song is done a different tempo, etc, there's not much in the outtakes.
okay no interest in studio outtakes
how bout a complete box set of all the shows that where recorded for got live if you want it in 65 and 66 plus the shows from ireland in 65 all properly cleaned up and mixed into stereo
what are the chances all these tapes still exist or where properly digitized
All the tapes you mentioned were "touched" for the 2012 release of "Charlie Is My Darling", in particular for the live UK 1965 bonus disc (wich is a compilation from various shows). And they sound great imo! So you can bet that everything is in safe storage.
that's great i suspected that because of the uk 65 release but what about the tapes from 66
also what about the tapes for the radio broadcasts of there shows (honolulu 66 the paris shows from 65-67 and melbourne/sydney 66) do they still exist does abcko have them have they been digitized
i seem to remember tracks from these shows being released for the copyright extension releases but does that mean they have the tapes and right to them
sorry if i'm bugging you just courious
As far as I know ABKCO never brought any "external" master tapes (like the french & australian broadcasts you mentioned) into their physical possession. Consequently, for their "copyright extension" releases they simply used existing bootlegs. A rather fishy move imo, because a "legal release" to constitute a copyright extension according to EC laws requires legal agreements of all parties concerned - in this case ABKCO as the Stones contractual record company for the time period in question, the Stones themselves as performing artists PLUS the respective radio stations as legal holders of the master tapes. I strongly doubt that such a legal agreement between all parties concerned actually exists. Everything looks like ABKCO just did these releases on their own and hopes this will hold up at court one day.
well hopefully some kind of deal can be struck on the paris shows they would make a terrific box set
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No interest in outtakes. Stones end result is almost always the best. Unless a song is done a different tempo, etc, there's not much in the outtakes.
okay no interest in studio outtakes
how bout a complete box set of all the shows that where recorded for got live if you want it in 65 and 66 plus the shows from ireland in 65 all properly cleaned up and mixed into stereo
what are the chances all these tapes still exist or where properly digitized
All the tapes you mentioned were "touched" for the 2012 release of "Charlie Is My Darling", in particular for the live UK 1965 bonus disc (wich is a compilation from various shows). And they sound great imo! So you can bet that everything is in safe storage.
that's great i suspected that because of the uk 65 release but what about the tapes from 66
also what about the tapes for the radio broadcasts of there shows (honolulu 66 the paris shows from 65-67 and melbourne/sydney 66) do they still exist does abcko have them have they been digitized
i seem to remember tracks from these shows being released for the copyright extension releases but does that mean they have the tapes and right to them
sorry if i'm bugging you just courious
As far as I know ABKCO never brought any "external" master tapes (like the french & australian broadcasts you mentioned) into their physical possession. Consequently, for their "copyright extension" releases they simply used existing bootlegs. A rather fishy move imo, because a "legal release" to constitute a copyright extension according to EC laws requires legal agreements of all parties concerned - in this case ABKCO as the Stones contractual record company for the time period in question, the Stones themselves as performing artists PLUS the respective radio stations as legal holders of the master tapes. I strongly doubt that such a legal agreement between all parties concerned actually exists. Everything looks like ABKCO just did these releases on their own and hopes this will hold up at court one day.
well hopefully some kind of deal can be struck on the paris shows they would make a terrific box set
Hawaii '66 sounds like crap. Is any of the 66/67 stuff stereo?
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No interest in outtakes. Stones end result is almost always the best. Unless a song is done a different tempo, etc, there's not much in the outtakes.
okay no interest in studio outtakes
how bout a complete box set of all the shows that where recorded for got live if you want it in 65 and 66 plus the shows from ireland in 65 all properly cleaned up and mixed into stereo
what are the chances all these tapes still exist or where properly digitized
All the tapes you mentioned were "touched" for the 2012 release of "Charlie Is My Darling", in particular for the live UK 1965 bonus disc (wich is a compilation from various shows). And they sound great imo! So you can bet that everything is in safe storage.
that's great i suspected that because of the uk 65 release but what about the tapes from 66
also what about the tapes for the radio broadcasts of there shows (honolulu 66 the paris shows from 65-67 and melbourne/sydney 66) do they still exist does abcko have them have they been digitized
i seem to remember tracks from these shows being released for the copyright extension releases but does that mean they have the tapes and right to them
sorry if i'm bugging you just courious
As far as I know ABKCO never brought any "external" master tapes (like the french & australian broadcasts you mentioned) into their physical possession. Consequently, for their "copyright extension" releases they simply used existing bootlegs. A rather fishy move imo, because a "legal release" to constitute a copyright extension according to EC laws requires legal agreements of all parties concerned - in this case ABKCO as the Stones contractual record company for the time period in question, the Stones themselves as performing artists PLUS the respective radio stations as legal holders of the master tapes. I strongly doubt that such a legal agreement between all parties concerned actually exists. Everything looks like ABKCO just did these releases on their own and hopes this will hold up at court one day.
well hopefully some kind of deal can be struck on the paris shows they would make a terrific box set
Hawaii '66 sounds like crap. Is any of the 66/67 stuff stereo?
they recorded several shows in britain in 66 for got live it you want it and though i don't
know for certain i belevie they would have used the same 3 track tape for those shows as the ones in 65 and the original release of the got live album included a bad (in my opinion) stereo mix i'd say it's safe to assume these tapes if they still exist are capable of being mixed into stereo and since the 2002 gliywi has a different version of under my thumb on it seems likely that they do still exist
also i love honolulu 66 but your right it was not recorded well the paris l'olympia shows on the other hand sound really good especially the shows from 66 and 67 though I doubt they could be mixed into stereo but i'm no expert
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Paris 67 is already released on iTunes. Wasn't that stereo? Can't recall.
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Paris 67 is already released on iTunes. Wasn't that stereo? Can't recall.
well i didn't know that could someone explain how that one sounds
be really weird and awesome if it was in stereo but i kind of doubt it
did they remove the announcer who talks over the music